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286  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Music stops after 5-6 seconds on: July 20, 2012, 12:50:31 pm
Jud,

Do you mean that the dropouts occur during the physically adding of coverart ? (like using Exlorer for it etc.)
Or do you mean that you switched on the coverart functions and that since then things went downhil ?

The latter.  (Of course - with me, nothing can ever be the simplest answer.)

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If the latter, something should be seriously "wrong" with your disc subsystem. Could be a heavily trashing disc (because of very scattered data - disc almost full ?) or could be anything else.

I would guess "anything else," because all discs have plenty of room.  But I put the cover art in the same folder as the music, on the external FireWire HDD.  Didn't bother (of course) to read about where it should actually go.  Is having the cover art on the external drive with the music all right?  Should I try other placements?

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PS: Notice that you should be playing unattendly for the best SQ. Depending on the "which is it", I'm not sure whether you are doing that.

Haven't tried playing unattended yet.  I am in the early stages of experimenting with settings, so getting rid of the UI would just require another step to call up the UI again when I wanted to change something.  But if I get special mode to work reasonably well, I will then play unattended.
287  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Music stops after 5-6 seconds on: July 20, 2012, 02:43:37 am
Special Mode sounds (and works !) different than Adaptive Mode anyway, so yes I would try that.

But it seems strange to me that actually in both WASAPI and KS Special Mode you seem to have a similar problem (after some time things collapse). I'm not sure I ever heard about such a thing.
What system (PC/OS) are you using for this ? (it's a good thing to put some of the key stuff in your sig)

So to tie things up in a fairly neat package:

- I went back to WASAPI and switched the Q1 settings between 14 and 1, but left alone Device Buffer Size (now at 512, then 4096) or SFS (now at 430, then at 2).  Now I cannot duplicate the problem regarding no sound after 5 or 6 seconds - it always plays through.  So who knows....

- After changing device buffer size from 256 (Q1=0 with no dropouts) to 512, I was able to use KS Special with no problem (Q1=14).  SFS as above.  Sounded far, far better than Adaptive mode or WASAPI - in another league as regards emotional impact and everything that goes into it, like nuance, detail, correct timbre, transient response....  This would be the only way I'd consider using XXHE unless for some reason it simply didn't work.

-- Well, maybe not so neat as all that.  With special mode, got very touchy when I added cover art, as often as not full of "static"/dropouts and unplayable.  Did even worse when I tried to play WAV rather than FLAC - never did achieve tolerable playback free of dropouts for even one second.  Adaptive mode worked for everything.  I like special mode better, but how to get it to work all the time in stable fashion?
288  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: The beginning of the end of CA? on: July 19, 2012, 10:31:40 pm
Let me say first that I don't mean it negative from any angle other than "I don't see how it works" (can work).

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Is it a risk for me because I may sell so many DAC against a too low price (way under cost price) ? no. Because I always first have that million (times x now). It can't go otherwise, and/but therefore that second year.

Those manufacturers (Naim and such) won't be doing this for free. It would even be so that they see that nobody who joins this will be seeing their ads anymore. Okay, big deal because they are supposed to buy the products now anyway. But why and how at this 20% discount. So, what's next ?

Because I can make up my little stories right on the spot (just did it again), I can't help myself wanting to see what's behind things. There has to be something because nobody is doing anything for free. Not in the real world, and that seems to be a real world to me.

Why am I typing about this ? I don't know. I'm intrigued.

Regards,
Peter

So one possible explanation is that we are smarter than Chris C and everyone at Naim.  Let's dismiss that at the outset (for my own part at least, I can provide you all manner of evidence that Chris C and lots of people at Naim must certainly be much smarter than me Happy.

So how can this work?  It must be something different between you and Naim.  One possibility is that the 20% represents the share of the cost per unit taken up by Naim's marketing budget, which they have in a big way and you do not.  This is not only the cost of ads themselves, but of the employees involved in marketing, their salaries and benefits, taxes paid on account of them, etc. 

These subscribers are a group of people who will pay $50 just to belong to a sub-group of an audio forum, so they obviously have disposable income and are highly interested in audio.  And no other manufacturers (competitors) will reach them, except for other manufacturers willing to discount.  So near-exclusive marketing access to this group, and without having to pay for ads or have more employees in the advertising department.  Maybe that is worth on average 20% of the cost of a Naim unit?

As you said, just making up my little stories right on the spot....
289  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: The beginning of the end of CA? on: July 19, 2012, 05:08:35 pm
Suppose that I would say that everybody subscribing to "our" (!) forum for 50 per year, for the second year (!) can obtain the NOS1 with 30% discount. Man, that's more than a 1000 discount. "I better spend that 50 just in case !" (which can end up to be a 100). I could have a million in no-time this way.

See ? this will work. Great idea. But it must be a trick (towards you) because otherwise *I* wouldn't think it is a good idea. I will have your million, and suppose I sell 200 DACs because of it. Or do we really think that all the 20000 subscribers I was implying buy that DAC ? of course not.

It's a "construction" and maybe I don't like constructions.
Still it could work.
Any subscribers ?

The difference with the model you describe is that on CA it's not Chris C's stuff that's discounted for subscribers.

However, as you said in a previous note, it must be presumed to cut into advertisers' views and thus the site's revenue from them, unless there will not be many subscriptions or the site is drawing lots of new viewers.
290  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: The beginning of the end of CA? on: July 19, 2012, 03:17:10 pm
Hey, this can't be the intention ! You mean one subscribes and shares here ? well, I didn't see any rules about it.

But before I post a liink overthere to this topic here ... I know it was a joke Mani, but in case my own joking goes too far and isn't understood as intended, that is not something I will encourage. Obviously this is about bringing in some money (but it will fire back IMO) and if people think that works they can try. But as you said, it looks like the beginning of the end and the end I see coming for some longer time now.

What interests me is how someone can think this works. This is not about a person but about communities and general behaviour. So it may work, within that circles. But you and me and most probably the whole of Europe will not even try to understand it. We just can't ...

Actually in the USA we tend to get very concerned about equality, as much as if not more so than in Europe, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.  I think Chris C simply wanted to find a non-advertising way to make the site pay, since he is not selling products (or at least not a lot of them and not for high cost - hats for now, T-shirts and sweatshirts to come...).  But it can easily be construed, and already has been by several people, as creating a two-tiered class system of forum participants.  I myself had similar misgivings, but decided to subscribe on the basis of being repaid in music discounts.

Now that I have subscribed and have seen the subscriber forum topics, I can tell you this seems to me more innocent than we might have feared.  The subscriber forums are IMO unlikely to have threads on subjects covered in the forums available to everyone.  Taking as an example the only forum Chris C has mentioned, it allows non-dealers to post messages about equipment they want to sell or buy.  This is not a subject of the all-comers forums, and there is I suppose an argument to be made that buyers/sellers will feel a bit safer knowing participants are bona fide at least to the extent of having made a small payment through PayPal.

No matter how innocent the motivation, though, this has certainly struck many people as somehow wrong and against the spirit of such a forum.  So we will see how it turns out for CA.
291  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Music stops after 5-6 seconds on: July 16, 2012, 03:05:00 am
Jud, hi there,

Wait for 0.9z-7 ? maybe. But it would be a weak offer.

This looks like a buffer issue. Did you engage Kernel Streaming Special Mode perhaps ? if so, choose Adaptive and retry.

If not, try so change the Device Buffer Size and/or (but not at the same time) Split File Size (SFS) (to extremes) and try to detect a difference. It may not solve the problem, but the number of seconds may change. So let me know and hopefully we can proceed from there.
Btw, I never heard of such a thing. But there's always a first for everything.

Regards,
Peter

PS: A warm welcome here.

Thanks, glad to be here.   Cool

So actually there was no Kernel Streaming at all.  Had it set on Speakers (AQ Dragonfly), because when I'd tried Kernel Streaming Normal mode I got no sound at all.  SFS and Device Buffer size changes had no effect - 5 or 6 seconds of music, that was it.

So I decided to try KS Adaptive Mode, since you'd suggested that, and success! 

Went on to try Special Mode, and liked the sound better, but unfortunately I always eventually get distortion at some point during a song, even with Q1 at max (30).  This is with the device buffer set at 256, which is the lowest I could get in Adaptive Mode at Q1=0 without dropouts. 

Any sound quality reason to try setting the device buffer higher and trying Special Mode again?
292  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Music stops after 5-6 seconds on: July 13, 2012, 09:30:09 pm
0.9z-6-1: PC through an AQ Dragonfly (set at 24-bit when >16, because XX told me so after I tried 32-bit).  Lovely music from a 16/44.1 CD rip for about 5 or 6 seconds, then it fades out.  Once in a great while it will keep playing, but with numerous "skips" (playback will frequently jump ahead several seconds).

Could this have anything to do with still being in demo status?  If not, should I just wait and see it if goes away with -7?
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