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« Reply #165 on: October 08, 2010, 04:02:33 pm » |
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I know, but there's nothing I can do about it. I can install firmware from Prodigy 7.1 and have 176kHz available, hence QAP for redbook, but I won't be able to play 48kHz tracks at all, so I choose less evil.
Nick,
What power scheme do you use? Did you try different settings?
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« Reply #166 on: October 08, 2010, 05:32:39 pm » |
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The going back to Vista and using RAMDisk are key and fundamental in our xx project,
I'am not really sure about appying all other tweaks, I did the whole tweaking in a bunch. And did not get the same, BIG change feeling, like i did got from the RAMDisk change.
Nick or Marcin, do you guys keep a log of the changes you made ? can you share those with me.
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« Reply #167 on: October 08, 2010, 05:37:50 pm » |
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Yep, I keep the log, I'll share it during this weekend.
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« Reply #168 on: October 08, 2010, 05:52:13 pm » |
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... pure from theory W2008 should be the better solution... Currently I am using Windows 2008 R2. I really like this OS, since it allows for easy customization of windows features. Marcin (or anyone), have you tried W2008 R2 with RAMDisk? Mani.
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« Reply #169 on: October 08, 2010, 05:58:20 pm » |
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Unfortunatelly, I haven't tried it on 2008R2, I wasn't aware of RAMdisk back there. Maybe I'll try it, but for I've had enough reinstalls during last days, so give me a break ![heat](http://www.phasure.com/Smileys/default/heat.gif)
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« Reply #170 on: October 08, 2010, 06:00:25 pm » |
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Yep, I keep the log, I'll share it during this weekend.
Yea, just to find out at what level it has effect, i mean on SQ. Rule out placebo ![Wink](http://www.phasure.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Funny story: I though I bring me own music to Peter and I (should) could trust my "local" programmer with my 2TB HDD full of precious music, thought wrong there, hehehe ![Wink](http://www.phasure.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif) While discussing another subject Peter asked: "should it be possible to connect a hdd when the PC hibernates/sleeps?". This was a hard lesson you can NOT, well not on IDE. I think it kept the previous connected USB card/or whatever in memory, PC came out of sleep mode, and OVERwrite my hdd mft/mbr with that USB file that still was in memory. Peter feeling REALLY guilty, he was more shocked then i was, but still there where like 5000 albums on there.(no back-up, yet) He spended several hours on it in maybe get it fixed somehow that morning, but I told him to spend time on the more important stuff, the stuff we came for ...AUDIO ! But afterall I managed to get ALL the data of my disc, I only needed the buy another hdd to write my fixed image to, and some 10 hours work for my pc on writing data back and forth. ![smirk](http://www.phasure.com/Smileys/default/smirk.gif) hehehe, you may stop feeling guilty now Peter, hahaha Roy
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« Reply #171 on: October 08, 2010, 06:12:07 pm » |
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For a general PC : W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+) *XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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« Reply #172 on: October 08, 2010, 06:56:53 pm » |
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Roy,
What dpclat are you getting from your tuned OS? This is not a hard wired indicator to music performance but it gives me a feeling for how far you have gone with tuning. Are you on vista? What have you stopped / done so far?
When settled what are max, min and estimated average dpclat scores ?
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« Reply #173 on: October 08, 2010, 07:18:14 pm » |
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Roy,
What dpclat are you getting from your tuned OS? This is not a hard wired indicator to music performance but it gives me a feeling for how far you have gone with tuning. Are you on vista? What have you stopped / done so far?
When settled what are max, min and estimated average dpclat scores ?
Nick.
He Nick, You guys are a week ahead on me, I was 2 days at Peters and such, repairing hdd, setup vista blah blah. Lot of catch-up to do So I am around 13-15 us range on DPClat, on minimal services, applyed all yours and marcin's tweaks, but i am not sure if i did all. But if you are working organized, you should kept a log right ? I also did, so i want to compare reg, sys and windows settings, we also need a log when we want to write something to automate all these registry entries. Best regards, Roy
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« Reply #174 on: October 08, 2010, 08:00:39 pm » |
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Roy,
What dpclat are you getting from your tuned OS? This is not a hard wired indicator to music performance but it gives me a feeling for how far you have gone with tuning. Are you on vista? What have you stopped / done so far?
When settled what are max, min and estimated average dpclat scores ?
Nick.
Nick, do you use underclocked and undervolted system? It brings great improvements imho...
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« Reply #175 on: October 08, 2010, 08:05:44 pm » |
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At this moment I have the feeling it's the other way around. Will tell about it later ...
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For a general PC : W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+) *XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10 (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.
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« Reply #176 on: October 08, 2010, 08:35:09 pm » |
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Martin hi,
I tend to go for responsivness as the guiding principle. RAM and CPU give moderate improvements. I also over volt a little. On my system the last 5 % or so of clock speed is -ve for sound so I back off from ffull potential. 2 cores seems best I have a quad core but run 2 by setting boot options.
There was a build paper for another player with great configs but to low volt underclock did not work for me.
Cut the background load and run fast !
Nick
Ps will post autoruns later then thighs get interesting :-)
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #177 on: October 08, 2010, 08:43:09 pm » |
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Yes, maybe you're right for external interfaces that doesn't feed power from PC. For PCI soundcards, I can't be wrong...
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« Reply #178 on: October 08, 2010, 08:49:49 pm » |
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Ps will post autoruns later then thighs get interesting :-)
That would be great Nick, take your time ! I think i managed to degrade my sytem again, meaning worse sound. Something is not right. ![unhappy](http://www.phasure.com/Smileys/default/unhappy.gif) Roy
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« Reply #179 on: October 08, 2010, 09:52:26 pm » |
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Nick, do you use underclocked and undervolted system? It brings great improvements imho...
I also disagree. What I think it really matters is to disable the energy saving features from bios, including EIST and C1. Then i undervolt 0,1V just for keeping the cpu coooler.
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