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1  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Why Does Some High Rez Sound So Bad? on: January 02, 2011, 02:03:03 pm
But don't give it FLACs for input !!

Hello, I always do analysis on wavs- these are simple to handle (known by Matlab for instance) and audacity treats them with ease. Rgds
2  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Why Does Some High Rez Sound So Bad? on: January 02, 2011, 01:56:49 pm
I had an interesting correspondance with British Producer Tony Faulkner, and he explained me these things quite detailed. He was very clear about most downsamplings to 16/44 was badly done, using "bogus" software. He was also sceptical to noise shapping. He also said that if recorded in 44kHz, a CD could sound very good. I think Faulkner is one of the most experienced producers in this field. You have probably read interviews with him in Hi-Fi News and Stereophile.

@achri-d: The last graph you posted, did you do it with the Adobe Audition program?

Hello Petter.

I have some CDs engineered by Faulkner and some of them on the Hyperion label are very good indeed - for instance: Bantock: Hebridean Symphony, Celtic Symphony, The Witch of Atlas, The Sea Reivers - Vernon Handley, Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. Hyperion CDA66450. 1 CD. 1991.

I use the latest version of audacity to create the second graph. I have developed a small C#/Matlab application in order to verify the Audacity -and  it works as expected.

Rgds.
3  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Why Does Some High Rez Sound So Bad? on: January 02, 2011, 12:37:57 pm
So ... without being behind the knobs, it would be my conclusion that this is exactly not the real deal. And worse, where the leftmost part of the plots have the same output level, the more going to the right, the less output the hires has. You know what this means ... filtering (and not even steep).

Maybe I am wrong all over, but I don't think so. Maybe it is better to use a Waterfall plot.

Yes filtering - reconstruction and noiseshaping.

The two following pictures show a spectral content likely to be as it should (24/96):



Rgds.
4  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 29, 2009, 08:14:31 pm
I have been checking a little on the usage of wasapi and my upsampler. I downloaded the software for this player (made some minor modifications) and the wasapi plugin to foobar and both fail to run - giving essentially the same message as does XXHighEnd. This means that it is wasapi as such that does not accept the upsampler I use, implying that XXHighEnd is not the problem. I have no time to delve into this problem now - but may happen to notify you if I find a workaround.
5  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 28, 2009, 09:40:17 am
No. You can't upsample without an additional bit per magnitude of 2. This has nothing to do with dither (and dither is not in order at upsampling).

Upsampling while keeping bit depth (for instance 16 bit) may require dithering - tpdf for instance - and likely noise shaping to avoid inband unwanted distortion and noise. Adding bits is usefull and that's why I call them the dithering bits. I see no reason to further discuss these issues.

Edit - what about upsampling to DSD - where bit depth is reduced as far as it goes. (Sorry am at home with children and have too much time to discuss - but now I am finished)
6  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 28, 2009, 12:09:02 am
So, you may think you are playing 24/88.2 while actually this is 16/88.2. It may be hard to prove for you (or me for that matter), but theories of operation (legacy USB) says so.

Right, sorry wrong. I have written a Matlab/C#(.Net) application that analyses the output from Foobar/USB2.0. Do you think I trust what is written in the display of the Upsampler - which, by the way, uses 24 bits when doing the upsampling (dithering/noise shaping). Well - maybe I cannot use the XXHighEnd player in my system. I will have to check your claims about the WASAPI & USB.

Edit - your 1 and then 2 additional bits are probably what I call the dithering bits - well maybe you have another name for it.
7  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 27, 2009, 11:14:48 pm
Oficially this is not possible. When done right, it would imply a 24bit USB connection. Can't be over USB ... officially (!). And Vista WASAPI needs official stuff.

Well, here you lost me - to put it simple: I don't understand what you mean. Are you somehow trying to indicate that USB2.0 does not work with XXHighEnd? Foobar2000 in version 0.9.6.1 works just fine - and yes I can play for instance 24/88.2. Yesterday evening I was listening to a 24/88.2 flac from Linn Records where Mackerras conducted Mozart 38-41 - very well played, indeed, and very enjoyable.

I didn't get what your DAC is. Maybe it's important, maybe not ...

I use a dCS Scarlatti upsampler that comes equipped with USB2.0 input. The DAC is a dCS Paganini. They work in a combo - and I need the upsampler first because this is the component that connects to the PC using USB2.0.
8  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 27, 2009, 09:33:17 pm
1) I see that you use Vista Ultimate, I use Home Premium. Did you verify that the program runs under Home Premium?
2) DAC Test suddenly works and I get - when setting to #3 Engine - that none of the standard formats are supported by the DAC. I have tried both wav & flac. The only change is that more formats are tested with wav.
3) I use a dCS Upsampler that accepts USB2.0 + DAC combo. A friend of mine has the same equipment - but uses Vista Ultimate and it seems to work for him.
9  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Initial question. on: January 27, 2009, 12:59:46 pm
Hi,

At using Engine#3 no format conversions are applied ever. XX just doesn't allow for it. So, when you have sound, you have the original sample rate (at bit perfect fashion). Unless you tick Double etc. of course.

Regarding the DAC test ... it should just work. What happens at your side ?

Peter

1) The demo does not work for #3 Engine, and so I run #2 Engine. I am not discussing conversion by XXHighEnd, but conversion made by Vista and how to avoid it? Installing a standard ASIO driver and using Foobar2000 (0.9.6.1) allows me to skip the Vista conversion and all formats I have can be played as native PCMs, i.e. 16&24/44.1, 24/48, 24/88.2 and 24/96.

2) The DAC Test does not run too?

I have tried XXHighEnd on two machines - an ACER laptop and a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Desktop. Two completely different architectures and configurations. The only similarity is that Vista Home Premium is installed on both. I have tried two XXHighEnd versions - the one mentioned here and "XXHighEnd-09-w7". The behaviour to be described is the same on both machines for both XXHighEnd versions: When setting #3 Engine the player does not start and after a while a dialogue saying something like "... bit sequence is not supported ... " pops up and the player shuts down.

Yes I have read, and read very carefully, the installation procedures and can for the time being see no errors from my side.
10  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Initial question. on: January 26, 2009, 10:41:19 pm
I have downloaded version XXHighEnd-09-w9b as demo and run it on a PC operating under Vista Home Premium SP1. I have one rather trivial question to begin with:

How do I in general avoid format conversions, in particular how do I avoid conversion of 24/88.2 to for instance 24/96 (if I assume the current Vista default)?

Regarding demo versions - why don’t #3 Engine and DAC TEST work with the demo version?
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