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on: March 01, 2015, 07:39:31 pm
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This is, without better explanation, how Joachim at first expresses a wall of sound to be possitive, next crawls back on it in my perception and after explicitly asking (two times as I recall !) he makes it a negative, and 4 months or whatever later is it easily used as a positive again. I asked (this afternoon) but no response ...
No Joachim, really no need to respond to it or even the slightest think that you are accused of something strange (really not !!!), but this is how it works with us humans.
Hi Peter, we had a discussion about the definition "Wall Of Sound" between the 2014-11-07 and 2014-11-12, and in the end the interpretation was clarified. http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3026.msg32915#msg32915http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3026.msg32953#msg32953http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3026.msg32960#msg32960Joachim
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on: March 01, 2015, 06:23:18 pm
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Hahaha, Joachimn, yes, it is clear that you don't understand much of my sprouting. But my English eh !!! So you see, the first thing you do (in your last sentence) is emphasizing how a compromise could exist, while I just told the compromises in my book NEVER will exist. So how can you now think that you made clear something to me. All you make clear is that you don't understand me. But ... I did not say this is your fault. My English and such ... So to explain again about the "compromises" ... What I do is solve the problem (easily think of the Clairixa !) and what you do is seek the compromise. And so we just are different. Mind you, I obviously have better possibilities to "solve" things. But to some extent it is also about a bit of trust or something, and how what I say could be right (could be !). This is different I think from defending something which CAN NOT be right. And this is LP (yes, this was the subject). So if it works out to be the better, then something else is wrong. This is key ! And no compromises anywhere. Let me, on the most positive side, remind you about the Blaxius and what strange guy started all that - You. Started out with random coax, and while generally for the better, there were downsides just the same. So you can just as well now see me complaining about THAT (in retrospection I mean). But of course we don't complain (I hope) because so far it worked out for the better for everyone, including you. Ignorant me. So when the USB cable would be a subject, then a. you are now the only one who likes the YFS for at least a part (but it isn't the same I think); b. you should be in land if you receive your Clairixa. Should be ? nah, let's wait a bit for the judgement of others, soon. Anyway, if I am correct, this will again change the whole perception of every comparison with whatever. So different again it is and as it is over here, for the way better again. Way better. I am only trying to get through to you with my poor English ! Best regards, Peter Ha, ha, my whole life is a bunch of compromises, otherwise .............. . We both are living in different worlds, you are a perfectionist ( and the result is a Blaxius and other components ) and I’m a generalist ( I was a project manager in former times) and I can live with the $1 USB cable without any nightmares. I'm eager to see/listen what the Clairixa is doing to the SQ in the near future. Joachim
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on: March 01, 2015, 06:04:25 pm
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I described this myself in the beginning of this topic, and maybe you recall that in (your) response I expected your "wall of sound" to be a positive. Yes, it's positive
And to maybe keep in mind : I recently described (for a 2nd or 3rd time) how "super depth" will never any more be something I fall for, because in the end it appeared to be a big disappointment. You can hear/see with your ears the realistic position of the player in a 5m deep room.
Easy example (for me) : When the bass is not accurate it will fill the room with "low sound" and you can call it "energize" the room. On my system the additional energy is over the whole frequency range
Hi, keyword energy. I never ever heard such realistic drums (cymbals and snare drums) on my system as with the vinyl version of "Take Five" from Dave Brubeck. (with a SPL of 85dB(A)) Joachim
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on: March 01, 2015, 05:17:10 pm
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I don't agree, because then the SQ of the $1 USB is wrong, but the SQ of this cable is very near to the vinyl sound.
You keep on doing it ... (take vinyl als Walhalla) But what are you REALLY saying ? Think of it ... You are saying that the USB cable (of which 10 are being packed at this very moment) must be very wrong, because they can't resemble vinyl because our 1$ already does that. You are turning yourself into a knot, OR you are right. But in that case I am very wrong. Can be ... Peter Hi, I don't understand a word from above. let me explain. I'm a fan of the "YFS data only cable" with the wonderful timbre of all instruments and voices (I wrote it before). http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3042.msg33998#msg33998The $1 USB does not reproduce the timbre of the YFS, and the "vinyl" powerful 3D image of the soundstage and that "wall of sound" impression in total. But the $1 USB cable is a good compromise between all and I can live with it. Joachim
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Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Best Vinyl Rig
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on: March 01, 2015, 03:57:47 pm
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So Nick ... another one who loves the sound of vinyl eh ?
Something must be basically wrong in the first place.
But maybe we can get another 100 votes for vinyl ? I mean, nothing wrong with that and possibly this is what this topic was for. But my arguments seem to be quite different and also here and there supported with some real comparison and proof and blahblah. But you shouldn't find this strange when I try to have a SNR of 120dB after amplification while LP is already unlistenable because of the "inner groove" or whatever it's called noise, blasting through the room.
All I want to say is (and I say the same to Joachim or any of the further 98 votes coming up) : Don't try to mimic the souind of vinyl or take that as the reference, because it really is the wrong approach. It is technically worse and therefore should be worse sound wise. That we might perceive it differently can spring from a 100 other reasons, but saying that digital is wrong while over here this is not so at all (and vinyl is plainly unlistenable though elsewhere) is too much of it. And I know Nick, that is not really what you're saying, but meanwhile you take vinyl as the reference. And that can't be so ... Try me.
Regards, Peter
Hi Peter, I don't agree, because then the SQ of the $1 USB is wrong, but the SQ of this cable is very near to the vinyl sound. Joachim
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Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Best Vinyl Rig
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on: March 01, 2015, 03:48:36 pm
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- I’m wondering about the missing energy (with the 1$USB cable) of the “DDD” CD’s compared to vinyl. Is the omitted preamp the reason? Something else is, as it seems, that you take for granted that DDD recordings are the better ones over AAD etc. I wouldn't know why ... OKBut it depends on the mastering engineer. So if we first assume that the later it gets in time, the more is molested for digital, then ADD should be worse than AAD and DDD should be worse than ADD. OKOf course this doesn't make really sense, but my point could be : anything which was not touched much other than "just digitize it" is way way better than anything from later. The remaster sh*t and such. OKSo another point we could disagree over. NOPeter Hi, my opinion is based on the AAD- or ADD-CD'S I is listened to, and the SQ of this CD's is not on par with the vinyls. Joachim
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on: March 01, 2015, 12:11:05 pm
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Hi, I just made the experience that during our march improving the SQ of the music we have no reference point. There is no starting point/ fall back for a comparison. We are going ahead and do not know if we are on the right track. Listening to old records on my vinyl rig I have to say, the digital chain has to struggle very hard to catch up with the vinyl sound. The vinyl sound creates a real powerful 3D image of the soundstage, it is a wall of sound. The whole area around the speakers is “energized”, full of music, you hear the depth of the recording room. The sound of the digital releases of the LP’s (Return To Forever, Dave Brubeck, Elvis Presley, Chick Corea) has no energy, is flat with a small 3D image, (with vinyl the room depth is 5m, with digital 2m only) nothing sparkles. On the vinyl “Take five” track you hear the drums, especially the cymbals and snare drum all over as one of the major instrument beside the piano. On the CD version the drums are playing behind a big curtain, all the magic of the amazing drums is gone. The SQ of the “DDD” CD’s have a nice 3D image of the soundstage, but has not the magic of the vinyl energy and “5m thick wall of sound” image. My opinion is: - The SQ of the “old” digitized LP’s is not on par with the present new digital releases in “DDD”, and years behind the original vinyl sound. - I’m wondering about the missing energy (with the 1$USB cable) of the “DDD” CD’s compared to vinyl. Is the omitted preamp the reason? Now folks, fire back. Joachim
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