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931  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 9z-5-2: Wrong pitch with 48khz at x4 on: January 23, 2013, 04:07:09 pm
Alain, help !!

You didn't tell what went wrong and where !
Unless of course you mean that it (what upsampling ?) never plays right. And since I don't (and never did) expect *that*, I don't get it.
I hope I understand your question correctly: when I started using XXHIGHEND, I was not using upsampling. After reading here in the forum, I decided to use it. At this point and from the moment I had this song, the version I was using was 9z-5-2. Then I discovered about this. I never saw it change throughout the following versions, though I admit I did not test it with each of them.

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I don't understand this either; WASAPI ? Didn't we "agree" that you should test with KS ?
That's true. I would have guessed though that if WASAPI is a part of the code you do not really touch, it would be simpler to diagnose and correct, since WASAPI is also problematic about this... But yes, I will redo the tests in KS mode this evening...

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And then lastly, this was about finding out out where it was right and wrong again. You say nothing about that though. And it feels wrong to have my own conclusion about it ...
I never said it was ok Peter, because it never happened...

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Probably I said something like that, but then in some context now lacking here, and *thus* I don't understand this either.
The following quote is taken from a post you did in this very thread:
Still no dice.
A bit of a problem is that I have no means to test this sound wise. But I've looked in the program, and all what is done for 48000 is done for 44100 exactly the same (unless my searching capabilities are not the best). Meaning : if this happens with 48000 it should happen with 44100 just the same.
... which of course is not happening in your situation.

All I can think of is that 16/48000 hardly will be a normal audio format, and whatever it is you have there, it will be a non-common rip. This means that something could be wrong in the header, and that *this* is not covered for correctly by the software - somewhere.
On this matter, you could send me a track of this.

What also -theoretically- can be the case, is that somehow your DAC is not able to do this right. Now, however, my story really must be the other way around from above : playing 16/48 will be the most normal to a DAC (because this is video standard).

Now I think of it : I will be able to test it without sound, by measuring the track time. I mean, I do have a 24 bit device (HiFace) but no DAC for behind it. But I feel it is better if I first have an example track. Ok ?

Thanks,
Peter
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Okay, it could be so that I don't understand anything much today ! swoon

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Alcool, drugs and electric trains do not mix well  dntknw grazy grazy

Alain
932  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: How to piss off a frog on: January 23, 2013, 02:00:02 pm
Wow, this was a project of a different dimension ! May I ask what "disconnected" you from this project ? Was it too much time consuming and you got jaded of it ?

Actually those tables. Envision over 100 meters (300ft) of length and certain width only to cover for the outside walls so to speak. Then it would have been in 3 layers, so that is actually 300 meters of length of table. And then there's still nothing counted for the middle of the space (which is 6 meters wide everywhere). In there had to be man holes at positions so all could be reached and all was to be of a construction I couldn't work out much.
But there was also the problem of designing the track for which I could not find proper software. So, had to scale the tables properly which already wasn't doable and together with that the proper scaling of bends, junctions and such. So I had to write software for *that* first, and that never happened.

But maybe the real problem was this :
When I was of the age of 11, we moved to a new house and in the old house my father built that table of the size of the room which could go to the sealing when not in use. I always helped my father with everything and learned a few things there;
All was to fit in a room in the new house, but it didn't. This is how I started to lay out the already fairly much lot just on the floor and with the 5 locs we had I made it all 100% automated. With relais and my own made contact rails and such and 100s of meters of electrical wire. Just on the floor. Once or twice a year I layed it out and made drew a new track design which would bring the most unpredictable behaviour of it all. So, 11 and up;
When 14 years ago our son was born, it was clear he would be joining me in the same fashion, later. So at his first birthday we gave him this nice steam locomotive. That would help.
But today he still doesn't know what to do with a soldering iron and is only capable of positioning his computer mouse a 100 times faster than I can. Plays Railroad Tycoon and the lot (btw the only game I ever played in my whole life). Modern times ? perhaps. But I already said it : once the simulation (or projection) by computer(s) would be there, it would already have been a great thing to play with. That is what *I* saw coming, only getting tired of the physical stuff to come.
So I saw that (not) coming with our son, and no way I would perform such a project for myself. Well, not anymore. Man, I already run hot when I have to plug in the analyser. Haha.

So it's a combination of a few things, but it was too large scaled anyway. Was due to be world's largest and most complex, but merely interesting to watch forever (which all tracks I know are not at all).

Oh, the "operating system" would have been the ERP software from my other life; it can nicely deal with demands and fulfillment which can be used to direct trains from A to B, but merely this ERP system already consists of tracking and directives (where to go to) by means of GPS data ...

wacko
Complex projects can be very enthousiastic as I recall some projects I realized in another life (nothing as complex as you detail here). You also need to feel that there is some kind of support for tasks that are not as exciting... I have abandonned many projects because of a lack of support, not that I asked others to help, but I hoped someone would offer his help.

Of course, this "to happen someday" hobby will be interesting, but not for the same reasons. At this part of my life, apart from very small things, programming is not anymore my activity of choice, but I admire your skills and talent from what you have done.

And as always, it is very interesting Happy

Alain
933  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 9z-5-2: Wrong pitch with 48khz at x4 on: January 23, 2013, 01:40:41 pm
Peter (good morning) Happy

In one of your answers about this, you mention that the routine for 48khz is the same as with 44.1 and that it shoud have the same behavior. Maybe I could copy this song and downsample it to 44.1 just to see if this will behave the same ?

Alain
934  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: How to piss off a frog on: January 22, 2013, 05:33:43 pm
Alain please stop this topic! Far too risky! What would happen if you get Peter started again on this train-project ? Censored !

Leo

It seems to me that only the frog is able to stop this topic and, to tell the truth, she is  totally freaked looking at the train tracks without daring to cross them. I think she likes more music than trains... Wink
+1 Happy
935  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXHE 09-z8-1: W8 in unattended mode does not close opened windows on: January 22, 2013, 03:54:30 pm
I will try this evening with something else than My Computer Happy

Alain
936  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 9z-5-2: Wrong pitch with 48khz at x4 on: January 22, 2013, 03:53:00 pm
I did the same test for each version the same:
- Decompress all in a XXHIGHEND folder on the OS disk, always emptied between versions
- Reboot between each version
- As you stated (in a PM that I started - I know, I know) that the OCX files (from setup.exe) do not require to be reinstalled between versions, I did not change them.
- Adjust minimally (WASAPI, 24/192, 24 bit [not 32, my dac does not recognize 32 bit), peack extension, arc prediction, x2 and x4 [for each test].
- I play at x1 (48khz)
- I play at x2 (96)
- I play at x4 (192)
- reboot
- clear the XXHIGHEND version to leave place for the next version.
- As for those which had an update, it was done first without, then with the replacement files (like the xxengine3 that was added for 9-7-4).
- All on the same PC (music PC) of course...
- 1ms clock resolution.
- contiguous memory
- None of them activated (...)
- All in demo mode (no minimize OS)
- SFS at 12

I wondered if it was necessary to kill xxengine3 between each upsampling but since the pitch was changing, I guessed it was not necessary.

Alain
937  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 9z-5-2: Wrong pitch with 48khz at x4 on: January 22, 2013, 02:31:24 pm
After all, here : XXHighEnd Model 0.9z-7-4 (alows for more PA situations + new SQ setting). But notice the heading under which it is listen "Prior to ...".

Peter
Peter,

Though you indicated me from where to start, I chose to start from 9-6 up to 9-7-5... WASAPI (to do it faster). Unless there would be a difference about this situation with KS, they all behave the same... 10% difference (about) between x2 and x4...

If you wish I can do the same again with KS ?

Thanks.

Alain
938  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: How to piss off a frog on: January 22, 2013, 01:41:57 pm
Alain please stop this topic! Far too risky! What would happen if you get Peter started again on this train-project ? Censored !

Leo
Hi Leo,

You are giving me more influence than I really have Wink

It's like hoping that our girlfriend would suddenly start to approve all that we do  Shocked

Alain Happy
Edit: Even I have to make choices about this... This train hobby would cost "an arm and a leg"... For the moment, I am just thinking about it, but what I spend in one place will not be available to spend somewhere else Happy
939  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: How to piss off a frog on: January 22, 2013, 01:11:51 pm
Wow, this was a project of a different dimension ! May I ask what "disconnected" you from this project ? Was it too much time consuming and you got jaded of it ?

940  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXHE 09-z8-1: W8 in unattended mode does not close opened windows on: January 21, 2013, 01:07:41 pm
Alain,

That depends on the "window". So, what do you mean - which program etc. ?

Peter
I could be a "My Computer" window for instance... I did not really go further than this...

Alain
941  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / XXHE 09-z8-1: Wrong pitch with 48khz at x4 on: January 21, 2013, 12:45:36 pm
It still behaves like this. Like you mentioned before, it could be 10% slower. When I upsample to x2 for the right pitch.

Thanks,

Alain
942  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / XXHE 09-z8-1: W8 in unattended mode does not close opened windows on: January 21, 2013, 12:40:19 pm
I noticed that when I open a window prior to going into unattended, it stays while the music play.

Alain
943  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: WAV album only plays one track on: January 19, 2013, 06:47:33 pm
Sue the tracks ?  grazy
944  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: My first Windows 8 experience on: January 17, 2013, 12:54:12 pm
Peter,

Have you tried the WASAPI with W8 ? Just to check if it sounds the same as what you describe with KS ? I guess it will be alike, but just in case ?

Alain
945  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Phasure NOS1 DAC at CES 2013 on: January 15, 2013, 02:10:44 pm
You mean opposed to "hires" ?
I don't know. But it really (really) won't matter anyway. Or actually I think it's the other way around; I play (ripped) CDs exclusively (already because it is to be about that IMO).

And then STILL it will be better again. Currently I am the only one who is able to listen to it. And so I dedicate my SQ to be the best in the world at this moment.
But that won't take long ... grazy
Ehm... We are there you know ? Wink I feel we behave like hungry childs that want more and more... And you keep on feeding us ! I sure don't have anything to complain about by the way Happy

Regards,

Alain
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