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15571  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXEngine3.exe on: June 17, 2007, 11:35:09 pm
Ok. First attempt at solving this.
Note I'm trying this as lean as possible, so maybe it needs more attempts.

Thanks again !

DO NOTE that the DLLs contained in the zip below should *NOT* be copied to the Windows directory, nor should they be registered.
This implies that XXHighEnd should not be installed in the Windows directory (or subdirectory therefrom). But you wouldn't do that anyway, would you ?  nea

Edit : Removed the zip (which was useless afterall).
15572  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXEngine3.exe on: June 17, 2007, 09:58:55 pm
No Bert, this would be stupid. It must be solved anyway.
If needed, I'll even find the components needed from Visual Studio.

Thanks.
15573  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXEngine3.exe on: June 17, 2007, 09:14:34 pm
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1712336&SiteID=1

If that's the solution ... yeah, I have that.

But this obviously should not necessary for you out there (so do NOT download that, evenif you're developing software -> away goes the testcase !).

Uhoohh
15574  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXEngine3.exe on: June 17, 2007, 09:11:11 pm
Hmm ... Starting it from XX is the way to do it ...
(starting it directly is not possible, but should NOT give that error anyway -> it should just do nothing then).

15575  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: XXEngine3.exe on: June 17, 2007, 08:54:59 pm
Ok, so this is the same as the last time I could try it.

I know what this means, but hoped it wouldn't be there anymore.  unhappy

Btw, this is about a phenomenon I didn't know of before, and which keeps track of all consistent software versions. It (I now know) exists on XP just the same, but I never heard of it overthere. And oh, it makes your disk get full by many many gigabytes by full automation.  Happy

Let's get Google ...
15576  Ultimate Audio Playback / Download Area and Release Notes / XXHighEnd Model 0.8 (with Engine #3) on: June 17, 2007, 07:07:26 pm
Changes and notes :

  • Engine #3 is now included. Note that this is a rather "uncalibrated" version for soundquality.
  • XXHighEnd now gives a message when another Playback Device is chosen than the Primary Device for Engine #2 and Engine #3.

Additional Issues :

  • Currently when the player quits due to Demo limitations, an error might occur (possibly only when currently no track is playing).
    This error says something like "DragDrop registration failed". You should *not* respond "Retry" to the message.
  • When diacretic marks occur in the Track Name, currently Engine #3 won't play the track. unhappy


Notes on using Engine #3 :

Well, read the notes on Engine #3 once more in the contained Help.htm (search for #3 and you will find the relevant changes).

As off this writing, there is NO experience on how to get Engine #3 running on your Vista machine (and I myself have no PCs which aren't "destroyed" for testing because of the development environment).

Anyway, do as always, but select the #3 Engine from the combobox in XXHighEnd, and have further settings as you would have for Engine #2 (which is about the Sound Device you'd use with that).
Select tracks as you are used to, and ... press Play. If there's no sound, something is wrong. I can only hope messages accordingly will appear then.
Note that things can start to wrong only after pressing Play.

You all can try it if you like, but please note that although I will read your responses (which responses would be very useful anyway !), I hope to get some "experienced" information from those who applied here and with whom I will try to work it out. Whatever it is what happens, when you're stuk, please post the literal error message !
Thanks for helping in advance !!

Now good luck !
 dancing


Edit : It is now known that the zip below does not work. For further information and trials, see here : http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=70.0.

Edit2 : Removed the zip, awaitening a working version.
15577  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Its very good on: June 17, 2007, 06:29:29 pm

Oh yes, I've heard something about not using the GB speed of a network card. And, sure this may help (if better drivers are not at hand). But it just can *not* be caused by the tracks being read over the network ... they are loaded into memory first you know ...

Theoretically that can bother you right at the end of a track (when a next one is loaded), but this would be impossible (to harm) throughout the playing track.

Again, generally -because something is interrupting processes- it can disturb, and then yes, throughout the playing track.
Better drivers ! (easy to say, right ? Happy)

Thank you !
Peter
15578  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Progress on Engine #3 on: June 17, 2007, 04:52:44 pm
Okay, I'm writing the Releasenotes right now ...

 Happy
15579  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Its very good on: June 17, 2007, 04:51:50 pm
That can't matter Jack.  no

Bert, why can't (or don't) you tell what you did with upgrading your mobo drivers ? ...
15580  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Its very good on: June 16, 2007, 02:59:19 pm
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I have turned the sound effects off on the PC, is there anything else I should stop running?

No Chris, this is really unrelated for this player.
Btw, Bert had the same (and in other areas I heard it as well as a solution -> ) Mobo drivers ...
Maybe Bert can tell you how to go about ?  dntknw

15581  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Its very good on: June 16, 2007, 01:08:41 pm
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One down side to the vista engine2 is that it has lost some of the stability of XP, it doesn't crash out, but playback is populated by occasional drop outs of sound for a split second (maybe every 5 minutes or so).

Oh, forgot to reply to this one ...
Chris, I don't know what you have here, but this does NOT come from XX.

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With both engine 1 and 2 there are a fair number of drop outs (more as I increase the sampling rate).

... just as that I wouldn't blame XX for this (but actually I can't tell ... about the first quote I can though, so I assume this is about the same problem).

If I must guess something : motherboard drivers, or very theoretically the Fireface drivers -> 1 %.
Since I don't like to experiment with Fireface drivers I don't use your version yet, but below you find the drivers which I use without problems.

If that doesn't help you should update all of your motherboard's drivers. And for those I can't help you ... (not experienced with that). So be careful.
15582  Ultimate Audio Playback / Music Storage and convenient playback / Most convenient Storage Structure ? on: June 16, 2007, 10:36:41 am
Okay, here's my attempt for the physical structure on disk, assuming no additional aids are present to help you conveniently browsing your albums.

First of all, lets see what you'd want to achieve :


This shows the albums in a comfortable size.


And what you do not want to achieve :


This shows the behaviour of XP when more than one album is contained in a folder. Thus, here we created dedicated folders for the artists. One for De Le Sould, one for Deep Purple, one for Diana Krall, etc.
From a hierarchical point of view, and browsing fast through the artists which you probably want to choose first, and withing there the album, this looks nice. However, apart from the *not* comfortable size, there's only 4 albums to show. When you'd have more of an artist, they don't show ...

This is how Vista shows it (the albums are diffent) :


So clearly, this is even worse. Besides the very uncomfortable 3D look, now only 2 albums are shown ! So, there really are 10 Pink Floyd albums in there ...
Note : Vista can show the albums in 2D look, and one per "folder" (as in the first picture above). This is achieved by using the Search function. However, firstly so far the Search function is unstable, awkward or just not understandable, *and* it requires rather deep settings (to rather properly show all, refresh all, etc.) which is just nothing for a normal human being. Secondly, the then shown folders can only be opened with rightclick and choosing "open location" from a context menu. Really a slowish thing.


Below picture shows how we achieved the first situation above :


So what you see here, is that all albumnames are qualified with the artist name. This is now needed because
- we don't use hierarchical folders for the artists (see above)
- we need the artistname really.

This disadvantage of this way of working may be the enormous "flat" browsing you'd have to do to find an album. There's no hierarchical means to tear things down. So all is "flat" indeed.
The advantage may be that by this means it is more easy to find your latest new albums; My own experience tells me that -if you'd have separate folders for the artists, you just do not have any means to bump into this new album. You'd have to dive into each artist folder to achieve that ...
And do remember : you will end up with well over 1000 albums at some stage ...


Here's what to do with multi volume albums :


As you can see, this means of working - having all the volumes in one folder - requires each track to be prefixed with the volume "ID".
If you do not do so, you'd have a sequence of
01 - In The Flesh
01 - Hey You
02 - The Thin Ice
02 - Is There Anybody Out There
and you really wouldn't want that.

The disadvantage of this way of working is that this needs additional work at/after ripping; the "(CD1)" or what ever you want for that, does not go in there by automation. And I don't think any means exist to let the ripping program (e.g. EAC) automatically let prefix your tracks with something like this (*and* you'd have a prefix for all tracks, including the 1-volume albums). Maybe others know better ...


Here's s good alternative though (but note that "The Wall" should be "Pink Floyd - The Wall" according to the above) :


Here you see that each volume is contained in its own folder. Like with the previous example you could determine your own "(CD1)" qualifier, here you can determine the foldername yourself. Do note though, that in both cases the alphabetical sequence must match the physical volume sequence (well, that would be rather logical, right ?).

I must note that this way of working might not work for other players than XXHighEnd at showing the album cover. That is, the folder.jpg where the cover is stored in, will just not (or even should not) be at this "volume" level. It really should be at the album level. XXHighEnd will search upwards in the folder tree for it, so no problem with that.

This means of storing multiple volumes is really comfortable, because at ripping it's very easy to create the subfolders (especially if you name them "1" and "2" etc.), *and* you'd nicely have a volume together for its tracks. However, if you really like to play the complete album for its both volumes, this would be a kind of disadvantage. "Kind of" because, of course, it is very easy to drag both volumes in the playlist area (of XX anyway).


Here an example of something you could do wrong :


Here each track is qualified by the artist name. This is not *really* wrong of course, but it will prevent you more from reading the actual track name, mainly because of the physical space needed, and as you will know the name of classical albums may grow inconveniently long (shoving out the track name at the right side).
Of course this needs the artist name to be shown continuesly (at playing), but XXHighEnd does just that.

Now note that with this last example something else is wrong; Where we assumed the artist name to be shown in the track name, it could just as well be the album name. As we understand, it can't be both here, no matter whether the album would be named the same as the artist name (often occurring with a first album). So if you'd be doing something like this, you'd have to add *and* the artist name *and* the album name.
But there's really no reason to.
The most important reason to this being really "wrong", is that it would be redundant. This is a phenomenon which always gets on your tail some day, which would be about changing things; when things are redundant, you'd need to change it more than once, or at more than one place, etc.


If there's anyone with additions, or better ideas ? please say so !

15583  Ultimate Audio Playback / Music Storage and convenient playback / Re: Lets kick off then on: June 15, 2007, 06:50:12 pm
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Somehow I formed my own impression that my CDs would need to be copied and assembled in their own library on the PC (hard drives),

True ...

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with album sleeves

True ...

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and track listings attached.

True ...

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XX would then delve into this library to take out whatever is selected and put it into a playlist.

More or less true ...

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I want to file initially by genre such as Irish, Country, Pop, Classical etc, then subdivide into solo, groups, then again into male, female etc

Not so practical for several reasons.

It is about the "delve" you mentioned;
If I don't provide anything for it, there's not much to delve, because it would be too hard to lookup things. I mean, make a small structure, and look how
a. important it is that you can select by album sleeve, and DO NOTE that you have 700 CDs which will soon be 1.400.
b. there is no good way to let Windows show you the albums, when at the same time working "structurally" or, say, hierarchically. I could go "delving" for the photo's, but that would not be a structural means (it's just logically impossible).

All is solved when BESIDES the normal storage, there's another means of storage. The current Playlists are an example. Keywords is another of very different kind. SO, you'd have Keywords for virtually as many as you want attached to an album (or even track), and selecting (combinations of) keywords gives you a flat list (with photo's) of what you wanted to see. Example : All Irish, all women, or all Irish women. It's up to your creativity of of defining the stuff.
Actually, by this means the physical storage structure is not important anymore, which will lead to "flat" (hence no hierarchy) because that's the most easy at looking for albums via Windows itself, and which may be needed at storing (ripping) them.


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From your reply I think you are suggesting that XX will be able to offer the entire package including structured library, and storage of album sleeves, track listings etc. and that for the time being anything can be stored in Windows folders and transferred over eventually.

So this would not be true.
It would be like working with a database, wherein, say, persons are stored with name, address, and telephone number, and either could be used to find the person. The physical storage means allows only ONE way to do that, although hierarchy can make it virtually "better". It would still be one way.
Lastly, do note that Vista has rather powerful search means, but they do not provide what's really needed here. You could try it though (I'd rather be finished ! Wink).

Cheers,
Peter
15584  Ultimate Audio Playback / Music Storage and convenient playback / Re: Lets kick off then on: June 14, 2007, 12:01:51 pm
Hi Chris,

For now, and in short reply to your suggestions, in the end XXHighEnd will arrange for all that individually. "In the end" means : after we got rid of the beta version, and we can acually play rather normal.
Think of a means of keywords which can be added to albums and tracks, and further hierarchical means of making structures, making you indepentent of the physical locations and structure Windows provides.

This means that currently you don't need to worry about this all that much, but, during the time you'd have to organize yourself via what Windows provides (and this is a story by itself, which even for me is not easy to workout).

Although rather awkward for the things you all want, currently you can use the Playlists to capture groups of tracks. So I know, it's minor for what you want, but currently it *is* an additional means of storage.
Do note though that when you plan to move your files to another location, the connected Playlists become obsolete, and there is no means to convert them (although you could manually edit the underlaying XML in the file).

It is a good thing that everybody adds his/her requests like you did Chris, and all the "convenient playback" features will be incorporated, I'm sure.
15585  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Ludvig Berghe Trio on: June 13, 2007, 08:13:25 pm
Oh yes ... *very* natural sound of drums, "blowing" cymbals (don't know how to describe that, and I mean the one in the back), equally sounding piano, plunking cello (or what it is) and all.

A bit too short though ...  too much !

But : do you notice the "ticking" (metalish) on something at two stages during this piece of track ?
I say this, because I can imagine you can't. I'm listening to Engine#3/Double here ...  teasing

Lateron I will listen to it some more to find interesting parts to share.

Thank you.
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