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Title: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on March 25, 2011, 09:50:04 am
Peter,

I bought a new MB. The reason 8gb RAM. On my old MB DDR2 was so expensive that buying an new MB with 8 GB DDR 3 RAM was 80 euro cheaper than 8 GB RAM DDR2.

But guess what... The slow sound has come back. I have a new Velociraptor HD and did all the things you mentioned in the BIOS topic. Also i have tried several new BIOS drivers but they do not make any difference. (FLASH)

Here are pic's from my BIOS settings. Any thoughts?

 :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on March 25, 2011, 10:28:34 am
First try to get a good idea of what actually happens. So, listen closely to whatever produces sound. Apply individual changes and re-listen.
Will take some time ... :yes:


So, let's try a few things my eyes fall on; the sequence is from most suspectbale (ok, through my eyes) to least :

Virtualization Technology, Off (!).


Despite what I said above, the below can be done all in one go to save time. If it helps you could try them individually :


Robust Graphics Booster. Try both On and Off (but you can examine what the default (auto) is of course.

Performance enhance. Try to set that to Off.

PCI1/PCI2 IRQ Assignment. No idea what's behind it, but toggle it to whatever it may be able to switch. Also try to investigate what PCI1 vs PCI2 is.

(G)MCH Frequency latch. Try it to Off.

CE1, Try it On.

C2/C2E, Try it On.

CPU Smart Fan control. You won't like to have this Off, but just try it (nothing will be damaged).

Power On by Ring. Shouldn't do a thing, but you won't be using it either. So, Off.

( PCI Express frequency. Seems a logical influencer. Don't ask *me* how to go about this. I'm not a mobo tweaker  ...
Btw, be ready to be able to reset everything once you start with this (which I would postpone as long as possible, but that's me). )




Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: praphan on March 26, 2011, 06:23:36 pm
Hi Gerard,

Does the suggested BIOS settings above by Peter help?

Can you share more information about the slow motion soundddddddd?

1. Was this slow sound just only heard with hires materials or red book + upsampling? The more up sampling rate the slower the sound.

2. Did you try other player such as Foobar? Slow motion should not be heard. Set NOS1 SW 5 to off to activate both channels.

3. If # 2 above is true for you, sorry to say that your mobo is not compatible with NOS1. I had GA 880GA UD3H with faster northbridge than yours. Still slow motion heard.

However if you can fix it please share.

Mobo Sick
 


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Suteetat on March 27, 2011, 05:06:20 pm
This must be contagious. The other day, for the first time, I got slow sound as well but only with 24/176 and 24/192. 24/88-24/96 was fine. However it went away after rebooting. Of course it had to happen when I had some friends over to listen to my system!
Keep my finger cross, hopefully it will not come back again!


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 09, 2011, 10:38:29 am
Hi Gerard,

Does the suggested BIOS settings above by Peter help?

Can you share more information about the slow motion soundddddddd?

1. Was this slow sound just only heard with hires materials or red book + upsampling? The more up sampling rate the slower the sound.

2. Did you try other player such as Foobar? Slow motion should not be heard. Set NOS1 SW 5 to off to activate both channels.

3. If # 2 above is true for you, sorry to say that your mobo is not compatible with NOS1. I had GA 880GA UD3H with faster northbridge than yours. Still slow motion heard.

However if you can fix it please share.

Mobo Sick
 

Hi Praphan,

Sorry for the late response (Holiday)  :)

1: The slow sound only occurs when i upsampel indeed the more I upsampel the slower the sound.

2: I did try Foobar but as said with only redbook nothing is the matter.

So i will wait for Peter’s new MB with 2 processors before i buy something else. I have tried everything i could think of. Out of options i guess.

Does this only happends with Gigabyte MB or others too?

 :)





Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on April 09, 2011, 11:04:00 am
Stupid ...

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So i will wait for Peter’s new MB with 2 processors before i buy something else.

Careful. I don't have time for this really. Well, getting a board like that is not the problem, but exchanging it is. It really takes me hours to built out/in the disks and I'm short on hours already ...

But Gerard, can you tell what your sequence of trials was here ?



Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 09, 2011, 12:02:34 pm
Stupid ...

Quote
So i will wait for Peter’s new MB with 2 processors before i buy something else.

Careful. I don't have time for this really. Well, getting a board like that is not the problem, but exchanging it is. It really takes me hours to built out/in the disks and I'm short on hours already ...

But Gerard, can you tell what your sequence of trials was here ?



Hey Peter,

Well i have set anything that i could set to disabled to disabled. But not one lead to better sound.


Maybe not to use the onboard VGA but than i need to buy a PCI card first. I can wait untill you have time for your new idear. Waited 3 years for the NOS1  ;)  :rofl:

 :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on April 09, 2011, 01:35:10 pm
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Well i have set anything that i could set to disabled to disabled. But not one lead to better sound.

But did you also try them ALL at the same time ?


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 09, 2011, 01:40:49 pm
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Well i have set anything that i could set to disabled to disabled. But not one lead to better sound.

But did you also try them ALL at the same time ?

Sorry yes that's what i meant everything that could be off off.

 :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: praphan on April 09, 2011, 08:27:48 pm
Hi Gerard,

Hope you had a wonderful holiday!

I understand that you are not successful in fixing the slow sound from your new mobo. Me too. I tried disable and enable setting as much as I can without success. I also moved interface card EX 1095 from one PCIe slot to another just to try out if this can fix slow sound. The last move of interface card led to some damage to my GA 880 mobo. I remembered clearly what I did. I shut down my PC and forgot to unplug the power cord. Then I removed EX 1095 from PCIe x1 and sliced it into PCIe x8 slot. All in a sudden PC boot automatically. While in a puzzle, I switched off the PSU immediately while booting. As a result of this,  this mobo could no longer detect Juli@ card and the network adapter disappeared from the system. However, when I removed the interface card from the mobo, network adapter came back but running without stability. Network connection comes and goes randomly.

Lesson learnt : always unplugged the PSU before playing with the H/W.

Therefore I have never had a chance to fix this slow sound on GA880 since then

I am now using a newly released Gigabyte G1 Sniper mobo for gamer. I run i7 970 hex cores which will be useful for 0.9Z-5 . Before ending up with Sniper I tested some other Gigabyte mobo in which report can be found in other thread.

Slow sound is still a misery for now.

Praphan   


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 09, 2011, 08:52:31 pm
Hi Gerard,

Hope you had a wonderful holiday!

I understand that you are not successful in fixing the slow sound from your new mobo. Me too. I tried disable and enable setting as much as I can without success. I also moved interface card ES 1095 from one PCIe slot to another just to try out if this can fix slow sound. The last move of interface card led to some damage to my GA 880 mobo. I remembered clearly what I did. I shut down my PC and forgot to unplug the power cord. Then I removed ES 1095 from PCIe x1 and sliced it into PCIe x8 slot. All in a sudden PC boot automatically. While in a puzzle, I switched off the PSU immediately while booting. As a result of this,  this mobo could no longer detect Juli@ card and the network adapter disappeared from the system. However, when I removed the interface card from the mobo, network adapter came back but running without stability. Network connection comes and goes randomly.

Lesson learnt : always unplugged the PSU before playing with the H/W.

Therefore I have never had a chance to fix this slow sound on GA880 since then

I am now using a newly released Gigabyte G1 Sniper mobo for gamer. I run i7 970 hex cores which will be useful for 0.9Z-5 . Before ending up with Sniper I tested some other Gigabyte mobo in which report can be found in other thread.

Slow sound is still a misery for now.

Praphan   

Thanx!

So i can try other PCIe slots also. Thought it only could be in the PCIe 1slot. Will do it with care.  ;)

 :)





Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on April 10, 2011, 07:59:39 am
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Slow sound is still a misery for now.

Misery, mistery ... but thinking you merely meant the latter, I agree. But it must be some kind of bandwidth problem on the PCI buss. The stupiest thing of it is that I can incur for it myself on my current mobo, if it's only in its default settings, PLUS I never got round of the source of the problem, because I couldn't find one individual setting which cures it. It is more of them together, and I still don't know whether it is all of them, or one of them can be re-set to normal. This is because it can take such a long time before it starts to happen (over 4 minutes) and then in such a mild form that it really needs a quiet piano before you will observe it.

Let's not forget that Gerard had it too on his "old" motherboard, but only after installing a new OS *plus* sliding in a new SSD, or something like that. On that matter, it just as well could be using an SSD in some north south whatever bridge causing it. In that case flashing the mobo helped, while Gerard actually didn't change any BIOS setting.

So that is why I say that some designers forgot about something (spec) to comply with;
Streaming 32/384 audio isn't all that much for PCI bandwidth, but still it isn't done, normally.
The other day I have been looking for changing the PCI latency on individual devices, triggered by I think Nick who said something about it. Although officially this can't work anymore from off Vista, I think it still can. I didn't have the time to work it out further, but if you ask me, I bet the culprit is in this direction. Something which hogs the PCI buss (can easily be a video card) because of too high (!) latency settings of that (it hogs the buss for say 20ms while audio needed it after 5ms already).

Peter


PS: Gerard, did you bring back that mobo, or is it available for testing ?


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 10, 2011, 08:19:14 am
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Slow sound is still a misery for now.

Misery, mistery ... but thinking you merely meant the latter, I agree. But it must be some kind of bandwidth problem on the PCI buss. The stupiest thing of it is that I can incur for it myself on my current mobo, if it's only in its default settings, PLUS I never got round of the source of the problem, because I couldn't find one individual setting which cures it. It is more of them together, and I still don't know whether it is all of them, or one of them can be re-set to normal. This is because it can take such a long time before it starts to happen (over 4 minutes) and then in such a mild form that it really needs a quiet piano before you will observe it.

Let's not forget that Gerard had it too on his "old" motherboard, but only after installing a new OS *plus* sliding in a new SSD, or something like that. On that matter, it just as well could be using an SSD in some north south whatever bridge causing it. In that case flashing the mobo helped, while Gerard actually didn't change any BIOS setting.

So that is why I say that some designers forgot about something (spec) to comply with;
Streaming 32/384 audio isn't all that much for PCI bandwidth, but still it isn't done, normally.
The other day I have been looking for changing the PCI latency on individual devices, triggered by I think Nick who said something about it. Although officially this can't work anymore from off Vista, I think it still can. I didn't have the time to work it out further, but if you ask me, I bet the culprit is in this direction. Something which hogs the PCI buss (can easily be a video card) because of too high (!) latency settings of that (it hogs the buss for say 20ms while audio needed it after 5ms already).

Peter


PS: Gerard, did you bring back that mobo, or is it available for testing ?


Well i can't take it back or maybe i can but i can use it later for my normal pc when the dual processor is bought and tested by you. So i stick with my old MB with 4 GB RAM.

But i will not give up yet.  :no: It is still in the pc.

Maybe this week i have some time....


Available for testing what do you mean by that? Do you mean you want it?  :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on April 10, 2011, 08:24:53 am
I was thinking about that latency stuff. Suppose I can get that running (never mind what it is exactly), you could play with it with some guidance. But this is typicle stuff which may never let boot your system, when not careful.

Ok, so no hurries. Thanks.


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on April 12, 2011, 11:38:19 am
Tried the other PCIe 16 slot and that made no difference. Also put in a PCIe videocard and dissabled the onboard in the bios. That also made no difference....

 :)


Title: Re: SLOW CHOPPY SLUGGISH AUDIO!
Post by: Sicj on May 09, 2011, 10:14:51 pm
You are not alone. After building my brothers 1090t - Asus iv formula - 5870 system... and swapping out a Abit In932max for a PQ5Pro Turbo to overclock my Q9550 and swap out my 9800gtx with a 470gtx.. i had some left over parts. So i picked up this G41M-Combo for my E6600 2.4ghz .. ive had for years.. sitting just waiting to be used. This board was cheap so i got it. However when listening to music over .. lets say myspace.. or maybe a few minutes into a DVD .. that slow sound processing effect tends to happen. Now take in mind im using a Sound Blaster Audigy SE. There just seems to be some stuttering.. or sluggish choppiness when some serious audio is being pumped out the speakers. The only time i have ever heard a PC make this kind of noise.. is when its under some stressful loads.. but this system is clean.. freshly installed..

Sad to say it but this motherboard is funked up. Gonna call Gigabytes tech support and see if they will hook me up with something to replace it via RMA. It was ony 50 bucks.. so I aint gonna sweat it.


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on May 09, 2011, 10:29:57 pm
Hi Sicj, :welcome01:

Thanx for your reply. Good to hear i am not he only one.  ;) I am really curious what Gigabyte will say. I am going to wait now until more MB are sorted out (Praphan) :goodjob: and what the dual processor will bring. At the moment i can only use SC with the setting 80  :(

 :thankyou:  :)



Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Sicj on May 09, 2011, 10:43:28 pm
Dude i just fixed it ... i was fidding around with it .. lol .. Was trying to figure out how to make the motherboard stop throttling my processor up and down so i could have a consistent clock speed. Im guessing what was causing it was Gigabytes "Easy energy Saver stuff or w/e causes the processor to throttle up and down! I will take pictures of my bios and post them later tonight.


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on May 10, 2011, 05:57:52 pm
Dude i just fixed it ... i was fidding around with it .. lol .. Was trying to figure out how to make the motherboard stop throttling my processor up and down so i could have a consistent clock speed. Im guessing what was causing it was Gigabytes "Easy energy Saver stuff or w/e causes the processor to throttle up and down! I will take pictures of my bios and post them later tonight.

HUH that sounds good!! I thought i tried everything!!

I am looking forward to your pic's!

 :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on July 19, 2011, 05:51:55 pm
Hmmmmm...

Peter

Does the new Phasure NOS1 24/768 async USB D/A Converter with the new USB interface make my old/new MB work?? What do you think?

 :)


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: PeterSt on July 20, 2011, 09:25:37 am
By guarantee, yes.
Unless it is broken of course.

(notice that earlier I already changed the text of that general topic about the BIOS settings -> not applicable to the USB version).


Title: Re: Bios settings Gigabyte G41M-COMBO
Post by: Gerard on July 20, 2011, 10:30:52 am
By guarantee, yes.
Unless it is broken of course.

(notice that earlier I already changed the text of that general topic about the BIOS settings -> not applicable to the USB version).

Hey Superman,

That is great!!!  :) Glad i kept it!!! I saw the change and than the quarter fell!!! hahaha

 :)  :)