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811  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Voltage regulated fan control on: May 08, 2013, 11:33:11 am
Hi Juan,

Thanks for the insights Happy My music PC reflects a lot of what you suggested (Silverstone Fortress FT-02 case, a powerful PSU that should never need to have its fan working, the Western Digital enterprise hard drive for my music to express a few)... I also have a Noctua CPU cooler and the fans are connected to the motherboard through a L.N.A. extension. But there was no U.L.N.A provided with the kit (and it does not seem that they provide it anymore ?).

I also changed the top case (located near the extensions for PCIe connections) for a Noctua (the one provided with the case was "ticking"). It is also connected through a L.N.A..

Except from the 3 fans located at the bottom of the case, all fans have a Sotm fan filter.

The only difference (and it surprises me a little) is that though I don't even have an internal hard drive (it is a SSD in an external case, like the music drive), the CPU temperature is higher than what you indicate in your posts and I need to let the 2 CPU fans running. Maybe removing the fan filters would help the air flow more freely through the bottom of the case, but I am reluctant to do this as the dust would accumulate more easily.

I read that the Noctua fans "smoothen" the impulsions from a PWN regulation, but I was wondering if a voltage regulator would help things further or with what I have done yet, it would be too much of the same thing ?

Regards.

Alain
812  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Voltage regulated fan control on: May 06, 2013, 01:36:49 pm
Hi Peter,

I actually have a standard way of controlling the fans for temperature of the different parts of my music PC. It is my understanding that this management (partly through BIOS, partly through a few "Low-High" buttons) is not optimal for the potential electrical noise it can induce...

The PC you sell has some kind of voltage regulated fan controls that are placed behind it. Do you have a brand to suggest, or at least some specifications that I should look for to implement this here ?

Thanks,

Alain
813  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: SOTM PCI-e USB 3 controller card problem on: April 19, 2013, 12:29:55 pm
Hi Tore,

Thanks a lot ! I will try it and report back Happy

Regards,

Alain
814  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Noise from computer, how ? on: April 15, 2013, 08:46:00 pm
I am all eyes too ! Happy

Alain
815  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Noise from computer, how ? on: April 14, 2013, 06:41:50 pm
Hi there Bob - warm welcome here.

(please notice that your post plus response(s) to it are candidate to move to another board later - probably Support or maybe Chatter)

First off, you don't want to know how many people with a fair amount of more hindrance than you got all going - but it may require some help which is available here (like you apparently contacted Juan in private). Otherwise we at Phasure have a PC ready for you - get it out of the box, hook up your NOS1, start XXHighEnd and press Play. But this NOT assumed :

Many people go crazily far with the "noise" and such, and you know what ? I myself am even not amongst them. That is, not this PC noise. Software impeded yes, but that's what XXHighEnd is for from top to bottom.
... which does not tell that getting those last pieces of noise out of the way will not improve ...

I will try to give you one example of how noise even "goes through light" - which hopefully explains :

Your zeros and ones - transported from PC to DAC - is essentially an analog signal, with a fixed amount of plus voltage for the ones and (close to) zero for the zeroes. The sequence of the zeros and ones create "data" as such, which is binary code but further not important for our story. The fact that this is just an analog signal is though;

When the signal goes to plus, something has to happen (like interpreting it *is* a plus or better : a one). This going to plus goes with a certain "ramp up" hence steepness. So, not veryically straight up, but with a slope (which is as steep as possible, but inifinitely steep is not possible in electornics). Now :

The devices which interpret this 1-0-1-0 sequence, have a threshold for when a 1 becomes a 1. So, say that the peak value in voltage of this signal is 1.2, then at 0.8 and more it will be interpreted as a one. Under that it should be zero. But now comes the trickery part :

If this would be a completely noiseless signal, the moment a zero becomes a one (or the other way around) would be completely fixed in time. With this I mean : from the one part of the signal to the other, with a virtual evenly space between the "data", from one part to the other goes in a fixed time (think 0-0-0-0 or 1-1-1-1 or 1-0-1-1 etc. and the "-'" parts being this fixed time). However :
When there is noise on the signal, and notice that noise is a "wave" within itself, it disturbes this fixed time in between these parts, and this "jittery" property of the data is, well, jitter !
So, this noise-wave on the signal makes the signal wobble, and because of that the detection of a one can come early or late (detection of a zero just the same).

The means our audio samples are put out from a DAC works via above described means (a voltage goes up -> put out the sample), and is thus subject to jitter once noise is in the signal (there are more sources for jitter, but since you wondered about noise, this is our subject today).

Once the samples are not put out evenly spaced in time, this is audible. Think about the wow and/or flutter of a turn table, and the effect is exactly the same, only it goes 10s of thousands of times faster. Now you can imagine how digital can sound nasty - just envision the "judder" of a turn table to be there infinitely more fast.

So, I started out with your "noise through light", and here is your answer :
The means at the DAC end to "convert" light to voltage again, is a noise source by itself.
The remainder was explained above ...

And for the non-light connections : Any noise which comes from the computer travelling along with the data, implies the same noise at the DAC end.

Easy ? I think so. Once someone explains it, on which I hopefully succeeded somewhat !

Kind regards,
Peter
Since I read all you write, I can say that this post should be put in a general document or in a FAQ thread Happy

It is not the only one, but it is very important and useful Happy

Alain
816  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 08:06:40 pm
Hi Juan,

Thanks for the link Happy Though I already have ordered mine, it is possible to see that one some pictures one can see  "AXF-104 Pro" and in other pictures it will only say "AXF-104"... The resistors are of different colours too, but who knows what the differences really are...

My guess is that if it has an effect, it should be obvious with any of them.

Alain
817  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 03:48:01 pm
From the 2 links you mentionned, it would be the first one that is "PRO" ("DALE" resistors).

I might add that I was well served too Happy

Now the waiting Happy

Alain
PS: I would be interested to know if having two of them changes something for the better Happy
818  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 02:00:47 pm
Yes, I read that too Happy But to make more confusion, I forgot my credit card password and had to redo the transaction. Then I saw that the 2 different orders were taken on my card, so I asked for one of them to be cancelled Wink

Talk about an exciting morning Wink

819  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 01:16:37 pm
Order made... Happy
820  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 12:07:05 pm
Hi Nick, thanks for your very clear explanation Happy I tried the link you provided, but it seems there are legal restrictions forbidding me to access this product...

Peter, my analogy may not be good, but would it be like "dithering" of some kind ? Bringing a better "diffusion" (distribution) of the noise spectrum ?

Alain
821  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: PCI supply rail noise on: April 12, 2013, 01:22:36 am
Is the Sotm USB PCIe doing the same ?
822  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Metrum NOS HEX DAC??!!! on: March 29, 2013, 01:07:27 am
Thanks Peter. There are things I have to struggle with to understand, but I certainly understand that the "good ol' audio" chips are better Happy

By the way, in the documentation for the NOS1, it is mentionned that 16 chips could be put inside... Have your done this already for someone ? Or to put it differently, what would be the main improvement ?

Alain
823  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Metrum NOS HEX DAC??!!! on: March 28, 2013, 11:38:56 am
Sorry Peter, I am thick... I assumed there were differences between the chips you chose and theirs, but if they are not audio, then what could they be and apart from this component, where would they be used ?
824  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Metrum NOS HEX DAC??!!! on: March 28, 2013, 11:28:00 am
"industrial" ?
825  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9z-8-3a PC freeze on: March 16, 2013, 07:40:22 pm
Hi Gerard,

Like Peter mentionned, it was just a stop. No freeze...
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