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136  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Grounding problem cause of bad sq. on: July 16, 2012, 07:49:54 pm
Hi,


Then in a flash of Zen I swapped the powercable from the PC that sounded fine even on its mobo codec (the ATOM) to the XX music PC and voilá very nice sound again, I dare say even better than before. And this was just a standard cable.



regards, Coen
Just want to add , that also the lenght of the cable make differences .

S
137  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: WASAPI problem on: July 15, 2012, 01:14:54 pm
Until yesterday WASAPI services have been correctly turning off at Unattended. However now WASAPI is staying on all the time regardless of the fact that the "Stop WASAPI Services" button is selected.

I have tried rebooting to full o/s then rebooting to minimised o/s a number of times but without success - WASAPI stays up every time. Any ideas what I can try to fix this?

Paul

When this happens to me ( rarely ) I try flipping the button in the current normal OS state( and reboot ) as if it was minimized ,once rebooted I flip again the button .This a couple of times then it works . Hope it will be not confusing for you .

S
138  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Clean Power on: July 13, 2012, 12:54:57 pm
I understand your points Mani .

But imo , the more attention we have to pay , when we connect gear together . For example a cd player to a preamp to an amp .

For decades , in the market hi-fi ( ...) we have seen amplifiers without an earth connection , and lots of differences in potential when we see each component ground .

So I like to connect well my Earth where there is a low impedance point in the chain - the amp . From there I try to arrange well the chain . There is not much to worry about , since you make sure the current would not go trough the imput .
By the way I did try transformer to "center" the ground , but didn't find that worth it , if yes audible .

Just my thoughts


s
139  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Split file size and volume on: July 08, 2012, 11:42:24 pm
I never went back. See my sig ...

Happy
Peter

I guess all the *...* are new features ... pleasantry
140  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 07, 2012, 11:07:13 am
Crazy, especially because I already dare say that from these very few obervations (observators) - and despite it would be statistically illegal to draw conclusions - ... that what people heard before, is confirmed by looking at the graphs now.
(boleary might like to post some)

Coen seems to be off, but maybe he is not at all. So, sound is best at 1333 and latency is quite high. But how does the latency show at 1066 when sound is worse. Higher ? (suring playback I mean)
yes
141  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 07:46:30 pm
Coen,

When we would be able to find it back, you would see that at the time Ultra Low Latency Kernel Streaming came about, my PC of the time showed a standard latency of 1000us always (this was Vista and only happened to me). Isn't that 1ms ? that is way more than the few samples @ 384KHz I could achieve back then. So to that regard Latency Checker is a dangerous thing to interpret.

But being all further with everything for quite some years now, the lower latency that Latency Checker shows seems to be related to SQ.
There are also reports around that tell that when XX starts playing, latency drops significantly. So that can happen too.

Thus let's be careful about using this as an absolute measurement and notice it influences itself too (what about the 1ms ClockResolution it depicts ?).

Peter

I quote . Infact I did try the other way around of seeing things , and was not bad also ... ( letting see to it more latency than usual ) .
I will be careful with tests .
Moreover regarding the XX clock resolution I have to say one thing .
The graph above I obtained , was also Disabling the HPET function in BIOS . But that has the effect of pratically halve the HH clock resolution available ( of course in my system ) .
Re enabling that I have back the 15msec , and again .... in DCP the latency shows a slightly higher value .


stefano
 thankyou
142  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 03:43:53 pm
Ok! I see.  swoon The core speed is the Bus speed x multiplier.
My bus speed is a lot higher than yours: 275 Mhz vs. 95 Mhz. Obviously I am not an expert in this stuff. blush2

regards
Maxi

Thanks God I decided to buy a Big PC ( lol ) , that said we are all learning ...
143  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 03:23:28 pm
Hi, Stefano!
Nice to see you've notice the same kind of improvement in the sound. It's seems that we have reach the same spot in different ways.
But I have a doubt, What were your core frequency before the change? I've notice that is higher that one specified in the CPU: 3,89 vs 3,40. Maybe I am wrong but I thing it is overclocked. If so, you must check your temperatures with RealTemp or something like that.
Another difference with my settings are the multiplier: yours is ¡x40! and mine x7,5. I think I'm getting lost wacko

 Maxi 

Ha-ha  Happy Maxi

yeah it is a 40times instead that the default 34 ( from which the 3.4 GHz comes ) .
Following some Peter suggestions between the writing , I also
like my PC Fast !!! (yeah ) . So let's go to 4GHz .

Of course everything is under my control . Temperatures are around 38 degrees .To answer your question , CPU Freq. before the "tweak" was just about  100MHz faster or so .

s
144  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 02:44:25 pm

How did you do this? I was unable to get any significant change in latency by changing the memory frequency. Results below;

824 Mhz; 8-15 at idle, 18-35 with  XX playing
1373 Mhz: 8-15 idle,  12-22 with xx playing
1648 Mhz: 9-13 (very occasional spike to 17-19), 14-20 with xx playing (very occasional spike to 50+)

OK , this is mainly a little work of tweak , and precisely is ..... ready?

Fine tuning the BUS speed .
It is allowed by the ( very nice ) MSI mobo via software . The Bus speed is set by default at 100Mhz or so ; lowering that speed by a couple of Mhz do the magic , and I say magic becouse it is listenable ...
So take a look also at the CPU-Z picture attached ;

If I can have the exclusive to say what I feel about the music ( which I have been playing for over 15 years ) in this tweak well , it is like suddenly an heavy tapestry has been raised , or like when I go to a live concert and feel all the air and freedom around the instruments . This is good .
145  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 01:53:28 pm
Are these world records ?
I don't follow this kind of stuff (at least not for a longer time now) but I never saw something like this ...

this is done in a simple way . It's not a record , but the sound is gorgeous .  Cool


 sounds good !



 thankyou
146  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 12:53:26 pm
Also ,  the graph seen in the previous post remains the same regarding RAM speed . If select 1066 or 1333 is the same , and it remains so playing music .
 good
147  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 05, 2012, 10:50:59 am



How to manage the latency?
Regards, Coen

Oh look , I did it :
this is obtained by the means of tweaking the MOBO , in some ways .... Without the setfsb software .
148  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 04, 2012, 06:57:09 pm
And this is Throttlestop in use now .

Pratically I pushed on Ram Freq by BIOS , and decreased a bit the Chipset Clock Modulation . Don't really know if it has some sense .But I am listening ,for fun and doesn't seem bad .
As it can be seen in the picture the actual CPU speed is also decreased from the 40x to 30x .
It does load every song in the previuous XX settings : SFS= 2MB(SC) , Buffersize 4096 , Q1=15 .

s
149  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: HOW I´VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND WHY I´VE CHOSEN THE COMPONENTS on: July 04, 2012, 06:26:45 pm
This is is how it looks in my sistem if set in BIOS @ 1600 ....  Wink

Couldn't test the Setfsb , but I can say that the LC shows increasing latency ( if little ) when the Freq in BIOS is lower .

Instead for the fun , with Throttle stop , I notice also encreasing the latency ( always with DPC ) when decreasing the chipset clock modulation .

I guess I will still wait .  Happy
150  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Split file size and volume on: July 03, 2012, 01:56:12 pm

Stefano,

Hoping that I understood the question well :

Whether the Device Buffer Size is set to 128 and Q1 to 2 or 256 and Q1 to 1 makes no difference; the result is the same.

What I would not do though, is setting Q1 to 0 or even lower. The result will be unpredictable and actually this is not made for Kernel Streaming but for WASAPI (I now realize that maybe there should be a protection for using it with KS).

Great , so is understandable that we will not use KS and Q1=0 for the latency test .


2MB is rather low and the PC must be somewhat faster to cope with it. The allowed 0.2 works sometimes with my own PC, but sometimes not. I think 1MB is reliable for me, but it's a long time ago that I really tested it.
Furthermore I can't compare the situation of 0.9z6 with z7 because so many things changed, but I played with 2MB for many (happy) hours yesterday without any glitch.


Regards,
Peter


Yeah !

:-)
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