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Ultimate Audio Playback => Your questions about the PC -> DAC route => Topic started by: pedal on November 06, 2015, 08:31:01 pm



Title: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: pedal on November 06, 2015, 08:31:01 pm
The sound improvement over my standard USB-cable was immediate right out of the box. I unpacked and hooked it up between my PC and NOS1 DAC, and switched on the amps. The effect is not subtle. No need to switch back and forth, to double check the difference. In fact, my old standard (free) USB cable is now enjoying its early retirement in a drawer.

The treble is cleaner, as if some harshness is removed. The midrange is more open and detailed. The bass is tidier and more tuneful. There is more control in the deep bottom octave, adding a degree of “subwoofer-effect” to my (temporarily) 2-way system. The overall change is a slightly darker and more full-bodied sound. Because of the cleaner sound I can play louder (+5dB). I hear no negative effects, everything improves in my revealing system.

I don’t know what kind of techs & specs Peter is hiding under its cotton skin, but it reminds me of lowering of jitter. Years ago I spend some hundreds of hours listening to CD-drives and SPDIF cables, and each improvement in lowering of jitter, sounded similar to what the Clairixa does in my system.

You could dub Clairixa“Cleenexa”, because it really cleans up the sound. The improvement is on par with changing hardware, like upgrading op-amps or amps with better power supply. My 3meter version costed, including hipping, €305 + VAT, which I find great value. Highly recommended!


PS: So far I am using it with my standard MB. Next will be to try out the Silverstone soundcard. Previous trial was not successful (too bright/coloured treble) BUT I will give it another chance. Teaming up with Clairixa might create some synergy?


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: pedal on November 28, 2015, 10:28:56 pm
I am extremely happy with the Clairixa. It really has become a necessity in my PC-setup!

Next up was the Silverstone soundcard. Previous attempts, used together with free-be USB cable, left me cold. It was too bright and colored in the treble.

The Silverstone remained in my PC, plugged in, but not in use for 1,5 years. Yesterday I started doing some A/B testing between it and the USB3 port on my Motherboard. To my surprise, it now sounded slightly LESS bright than the generic one. Maybe my previous attempts were faulty, or maybe the Clairixa does "something" beneficiary for the whole (electric) circuit? I don't know. After 2 days listening, I tend to favor the Silverstone slightly. It is a tad more "analog" sounding than the USB3 on my motherboard.

BTW, I think I have done the setup correctly: Silverstone is isolated from the PC-chassis with tape, and the USB receiver is un-earthed inside the NOS1 DAC.


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: KnB on November 29, 2015, 12:22:02 pm
Hi Pedal,

Did not believe that the USB cable could do much difference... but it did!

Have the usb card installed same way as you, but the usb earth is connected to switch #3 in the dac


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: pedal on November 29, 2015, 12:48:06 pm
Have the usb card installed same way as you, but the usb earth is connected to switch #3 in the dac
What is the idea here, making the earth switchable?


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: PeterSt on November 29, 2015, 12:49:52 pm
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Have the usb card installed same way as you, but the usb earth is connected to switch #3 in the dac

... Which comes along with the "a" upgrade of the NOS1 (and Pedal does not have that yet).

But possibly you wanted to tell about whether you have that Switch #3 On or Off ... ? (ground connected ot not)

Regards,
Peter


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: KnB on November 29, 2015, 02:38:49 pm
Hi  :)
I keep it off, but when I am away and the system is on I try to keep it on... as I understand there can be an issue with stability (?)/noise.
Have not done a critical comparison SQ wise


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: boleary on November 30, 2015, 08:55:59 pm
For the longest time I used a data only cable from YFS. Sometime in July my NOS1a-75b totally broke in and I noticed that my mids had a bit of a weird bloated/distortion sound. Switched to Clarixa and was amazed at how solid, clear, sweet and distortion free the mids became.



Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: hbrew on December 13, 2015, 05:37:26 pm
Perhaps I can come up with $ for a try of the Clairixa cable. Hearing is believing. My USB cable upgrade was simple yet an essential upgrade!

My equip: dual ESS9018's (Twisted Pear Audio Buffalo III SE boards) with (isolated) Amanero USB input card; computer is ASUS Z87 PRO i7-4770K.

I was using a standard USB cable then tried an AudioQuest Cinnamon 0.75m -- back and forth many times to be sure I wasn't dreaming and no doubt the high end was significantly more detailed and music was more full. I was using Norah Jones 192KHz Cold Cold Heart piano section which brought out the change with cables.

Last week I tried another: Kimber Kable BBus (with silver conductors) 0.5m about USD 100. And I was amazed at the improvement over the Cinnamon cable.

Bul**t some say -- I was one. It is just digital and CD's work with programs that must be 100% accurate. A computer can read a CD program again if an error occurs.

With music timing must be affected (?) because it does matter.  20KHz has a period of 50us. I have read that you want to be accurate to 100ps -- or was it 20? Music is not a sine wave and the relationship of frequencies matters. Anyone with knowledge on this? Topic for another place?


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: nik.d on December 14, 2015, 10:17:07 am
Hi hbrew,

I'm no expert but what I learn from Peter, it is the exact impedance matching (90 Ohm) that makes USB cable better. Clairixa is made from such a cable.


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: PeterSt on December 14, 2015, 12:40:50 pm
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Bul**t some say -- I was one. It is just digital and CD's work with programs that must be 100% accurate. A computer can read a CD program again if an error occurs.

Haha. If that were true (OK, in my opinion) then this whole forum would not exist. Nor would the products, including XXHighEnd (as a first in this lineup). All right, one could call that "commercial" by now, but I guarantee you it is not.

So about the USB cable ...
Say it was the last devil to be banned and I stayed away from it for all the time that the 100s of topics about that realm were posed and discussed. But once I get the hang of the theory of things, I tend to work it out. And so it happened with the Clairixa. Nothing really special - only quite hard to sort out the theoretical merits. But after that it just "worked" out of the box.

The above IMO must be related to the various / numerous other "specialty" USB cables. So notice that as a group many people started trying (a.o.) USB cables, each taking a share of the cost. Cables were even arranged for and sent around the globe for trialling. I too participated.

Maybe because I am the most ignorant of us all, I rejected them all (regardless the $$) and kept using the 1 euro (really so) stock cable which always has been - and still is provided with the NOS1(a). It just was the better one (to my system and ears).
But when I bought a few and listened to others it was clear that at least a difference should be easy to be implied and I started working on it (this was a throughput of almost 6 months, which not many people know).

Maybe here or there there's someone who does not like the Clairixa for the better, but I don't know them (please stay quiet for my good mood :)). Point is : it is only about theory (however to get hold of that is not the most easy thing).

The Blaxius Interlink is almost a better example, because many more people participated in buying similar (BNC) cables - again including my myself. It is also a better example because the theories applied entend by far what's needed for audio, but this is just how I work.
But here too, the sequence is (has been) :
1. get some merit of the general idea, especially by many people and not by myself alone;
2. work out the why of why things are working out for the better;
3. see through to the downsides;
4. form the theory;
5. research how theory can become practice (fairly difficult for the Clairixa, fairly crazy for the Blaxius);
6. build and listen.

This did not answer your (last) question, but I am not sure what to do with that because throughout time so much time has been spent on that, on this forum (and others).
But my view on that in general ? -> hardly related. "It just does not work like that" (says Mr Simple).

Regards,
Peter


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: Robert on March 18, 2016, 04:39:48 am
Hi all just received my short Clairixa for Intona connection to USB card along with Ram OS.

Well I disconnected my trusty Benchmark USB cable and connected the short Clairixa.

Gosh couldn't believe my ears what an improvement in sound quality just with this short cable. I already have the standard Clairixa from the Intona to DAC.

Some people suggest different USB cables shouldn't make any difference to the sound!!!!!

The Clairixa is well worth the money if you havn't got one get one, or two if you have the Intona. You won't regret it.

Ram OS for Saturday job.

Robert


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: Robert on March 21, 2017, 12:41:49 am
Has anybody tried putting the short Clairixa between Intona and Dac?

Some online suggesting short clean path between Intona and Dac is better.

Yes I have Intona back in the circuit. More benefits than negatives.

Robert


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: acg on March 21, 2017, 03:50:13 am
I've not tried that Rob.  The short USB has just been more convenient at the computer end of the Intona.  If I remember correctly some people have had issues with a long USB feeding into the Intona, so I don't think I have ever tried it...and I can't now because Peter has my dac for upgrade and I may never use the Intona again...


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: manisandher on March 21, 2017, 06:46:38 am
Has anybody tried putting the short Clairixa between Intona and Dac?

I've had it this way for the past 6 months or so. I prefer it.

Mani.


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: CoenP on March 24, 2017, 11:53:30 pm
Has anybody tried putting the short Clairixa between Intona and Dac?

I've had it this way for the past 6 months or so. I prefer it.

Mani.

+1 (never tried it any other way, sounds goof enough for me)


regards, Coen


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: Robert on March 27, 2017, 03:05:45 am
I tried it on the weekend and it did make a difference in the sound. I then changed SFS back to 4 as Peter has suggested to try and it all seems better overall.


Title: Re: Clairixa USB-cable - Listening impressions
Post by: juanpmar on March 27, 2017, 10:53:44 pm
I tried it on the weekend and it did make a difference in the sound. I then changed SFS back to 4 as Peter has suggested to try and it all seems better overall.

Exactly the same here
Juan