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Title: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: pedal on February 08, 2016, 12:21:02 am
Since there is so much hassle with wireless remote, what about using a cable connecting?

Can a W10 tablet be connected to my music PC (W10) by any cable-solution?

Today I control my music PC with ordinary USB-connected  keyboard and screen. (with MinOs/Unattended/All Services shut down). But a touchpad would be more esthetic, and I didn't have to get up from the sofa every time. (Although it makes me listening more of the albums to the very last song, which is a good thing, btw lol).


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: AlainGr on February 08, 2016, 12:54:42 am
Hi Pedal,

Maybe the first question to ask would be "What cable do I need to do this ?". One with a connector that would fit in your tablet, one that would have the standard protocol to connect either in a USB port on the dedicated PC or through a USB to ethernet converter of some sort. It would require some searching to see how other are doing this.

Another way to do it would be to use wi-fi between your tablet and the PC, but there may be a "cost" in SQ - I don't know... There are tools to connect on a PC, something that would look like the Remote Desktop Connection.

It is the old "convenience vs compromise"... :)

Regards,

Alain 


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: PeterSt on February 08, 2016, 08:35:10 am
Yo Pedal,

As far as I can tell, no cable connection is possible. That is, thinking about a USB connection, which is what I would like (SQ reasons). I must say that it looks to be possible for sure, but all I attempted (maybe 18 months ago) failed.
Btw, I am talking about USB *and* wireless. So think USB over WiFi (or some other sort).

But if you don't mind, this is all moot ... especially in your situation. So :

You always used RDC to begin with, right ?
I forgot whether that was a laptop on your coffee table but I guess it was.
All you need to do is let that be as it is, and connect your tablet over WiFi to the laptop ...
And actually this is the advised way of doing it. Only the laptop could be a desktop just the same. And can hold the music. But this is not really related to what you want (you can add that later).

Regards,
Peter


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: manisandher on February 08, 2016, 09:26:11 am
It's strange that people are having problems with RDC. I use RDC for both my main system and the office system, and I have to say that it has been rock solid since the day I started using it. And it's so convenient.

Getting rid of as many devices and cables connected to the mobo is a big part of the whole OS-in-RAM story. And that includes unnecessary keyboards and monitors (and in my case, graphics card too)...

Mani.


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: pedal on February 08, 2016, 09:30:06 am
You always used RDC to begin with, right ?
I forgot whether that was a laptop on your coffee table but I guess it was.
All you need to do is let that be as it is, and connect your tablet over WiFi to the laptop ...
And actually this is the advised way of doing it. Only the laptop could be a desktop just the same. And can hold the music. But this is not really related to what you want (you can add that later).

Regards,
Peter

Thanks Peter.
Due to busy work schedule I am lagging far behind you guys here on the forum. I have some catch up to do. Last week I reconnected my 3rd amplifier + 14x 12-inch subwoofers, going full range active x-over again. And boy, it was glorious to feel the air pulsate in my living room again!

Then I took the XX settings to the extreme; activated HotKeys, switched off absolutely all services/screen and reduced SFS to 0,2. Oh boy, another huge improvement in SQ! Once again my system plays in such a way that I start making up excuses to stay home, listening to favorite music. :smile:

Next step is to find an esthetic replacement for the traditional screen and keyboard:
*Yes, I have an old laptop available (I can eventually buy a new one, they are cheap these days, also in the 2nd hand market). Actually, laptop is more user friendly than tablet (better keyboard when searching my music catalogue etc).
*Yes, I used RDC in the past. From the forum it seems there are some problems these days, but maybe that is only due to set-up difficulties (which are solvable)?

*So, final challenge is how to connect laptop to my dedicated XX-music-Tower-PC?
-The PC is not connected to Wi-Fi or Internet. But I have a spare router, which I can use either in Wi-Fi mode or with Cable, to hook up with the Laptop. Which one do you recommend as a XX-remote-single-purpose-connection?


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: PeterSt on February 08, 2016, 10:30:31 am
It doesn't matter. As long as there's a cable between the router and the Audio PC.

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Actually, laptop is more user friendly than tablet (better keyboard when searching my music catalogue etc).

I don't agree with the notice that I use the tablet exclusively myself. But you can start with the laptop, as NOTHING changes when you later use the tablet (which only controls the laptop).
Ok ?

Peter


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: PeterSt on February 08, 2016, 10:38:20 am
One more thing :

Do not forget that your strategy must be that you have a Music Server (holding the music) and an Audio PC (playing the music). So if you are going to buy things, you must take this into account.

Tablet -> Music Server -> Audio PC.
And the Tablet is still optional.

Your literal case is thus different, as you must buy a new Audio PC (why ? because you planned that already).
I'll put between ** what you already have at this moment :

Tablet -> *Music Server* -> Audio PC.

Understand ?
All you need new is the Audio PC as the old Audio PC becomes the Music Server. You don't need to change a thing in that (maybe an extra LAN port if it doesn't have two at this moment).

Tablet is still optional so you can start with this :

*Music Server* -> Audio PC.

See it now ?

One small extension is required :

*Music Server* -> Audio PC(-RAM-OS).

:)


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: pedal on February 14, 2016, 01:26:38 pm
One more thing :

Do not forget that your strategy must be that you have a Music Server (holding the music) and an Audio PC

Yes, that is next step; Upgrading my NOS1 DAC + purchasing your XX PC, achieving the highest level of hardware setup. Hopefully I'll have the cash disposal for autumn!  :smile:

In the meantime I am fiddling around with the XX settings, improving the SQ for free.

-Operating XX by feet, rather than Wi-Fi, is the simplest way to improved SQ. Playing in UnAttended mode, with *all* services switched off (desktop, screen, LAN, etc) and HotKeys in use (mandatory!), really elevate SQ to a higher level. Funny thing is now music becomes so emotional evolving, that I am sitting through the whole albums. Getting on my feet to operate the USB-connected keyboard is needed only when selecting next album. This is the "slow-food" attitude within XX-community  8)

--------

This morning I played the 3 first Eagles albums (HD Box set 24/192). Beautiful music, but recordings only average for its age. Particularly Desperado disappointed, failing its audiophile-vinyl-rep, with splashed out cymbals and lack of separation.

So, I put on another similar aged studio recording, Dark Side of The Moon (24/88 SACD-rip), just too see if my system has became too revealing. But, no, DSOTM really floated and filled my 45m2 living room with a huge soundstage and deep, punchy bass.
Next on was WYWH (24/96 BluRay) with even better (cleaner) SQ.

In short, with the set-up described in my signature, I am enjoying my system more than ever! A big  :thankyou: to the creator of The Best Source In The Known Universe!


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: PeterSt on February 14, 2016, 01:42:45 pm
Haha, :thankyou::thankyou:

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-Operating XX by feet, rather than Wi-Fi

Now I am curious what Norwegian expression this is. :yes:

Kind regards,
Peter


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: AlainGr on February 14, 2016, 02:04:05 pm
:) I will make a guess... He gets up to go to the PC to change album instead of using wi-fi ?

But interested too to learn if it is what I think or not... :)

Alain


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: pedal on February 14, 2016, 02:16:32 pm
Alain is right. Utilizing the Apostle's horses' method improves SQ and saves a lot of set-up hassle.  :smile:


Title: Re: Remote Control by Cable?
Post by: AlainGr on February 14, 2016, 02:23:50 pm
I like the "Apostle's horses" expression :) I'll try not to forget !

Regards,

Alain