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646  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Windows 8 and 0.9z-9b, a match made in heaven? on: June 02, 2013, 01:20:42 pm
Hi Juan,

Could you be more specific about the worsening of the Esata vs  the USB 3 connection ? Since it is possible for me to switch from one to the other... I would have thought that the fact of converting from USB to Sata inside the external case could induce something not desirable... On the other hand, Sata does not allow the same lenght between components, so it may not be practical for those who prefer to put their drives away from the pc...

Alain
Edit: I was wondering if the fact that there is power in the USB  cable (with the signal) would have a negative effect on the signal ? Sata does not have any power on its cable...


Hi Alain,

I´ve made that test some time ago and I really don´t remember exactly the details why was worse eSata than USB 3.0. At that time I considered that USB 3.0 sounded better but it was with W7, I have not tested it again with W8 but if you are very interested I could do it. About the length of the cable, yes the eSata are shorter so you need to put the eSata case closer to the PC.

Best regards,
Juan
647  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Windows 8 and 09-z9, a match made in heaven? on: June 02, 2013, 12:48:32 pm
The  NDAS technology by IOCELL with an eSata connection seems to be superior to cases with an USB connection only.

http://www.iocellnetworks.com/neo/images/manuals/manual-netdisksolo.pdf

Joachim

Hi Joachim, I tested the eSata connection with a Sharkoon SATA QuickDeck external case and in my experience the eSata port sounds worse than the USB 3.0

http://www.sharkoon.com/?q=en/node/1299

Regards,
Juan
648  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Windows 8 and 09-z9, a match made in heaven? on: June 02, 2013, 12:33:11 am
Hi Alain, first let me thank you for your kind words in a previous post.
The external cases for the HDDs are made here in Spain and I bought it in Amazon.es but I guess you can find something similar in any computer shop. See here the manual in Spanish and English http://www.tooq.es/repository/products_manuals/MANUAL_TQE3508_3517_3523.pdf

Sold in Amazon.es for only 15€ (20 $ Canadian)http://www.amazon.es/TooQ-TQE-3523G-Serial-Windows-Ubuntu/dp/B005E0EJAI/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1370125301&sr=1-2&keywords=Tooq

I use an adaptor to connect the USB 3.0 cable to the NOS1 because the NOS1 is USB2.0, this USB 3.0 cable is connected to the TeckNet USB 3.0 PCI Express Card.

Best regards,
Juan
649  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Windows 8 and 09-z9, a match made in heaven? on: June 01, 2013, 11:31:25 pm

One question though: For music, do you use a SATA 3 HDD and a converter to connect to the USB 3.0 mb?


Oh, I read your signature: WD USB 3.0 HDD.

OK!

Stanley

Hi Stanley, all my music hdd are SATA and I use the external boxes to convert SATA to USB 3.0 to connect it to the mb.
Sorry, I have to update my signature.

I post some pictures here and in I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND ... with the USB 3.0 boxes, the Anti-vibration discs, etc

Best regards,
Juan
650  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Windows 8 and 09-z9, a match made in heaven? on: June 01, 2013, 10:57:26 am
Is Windows 8 and the new version of XXHighEnd (09-z9) the best combination so far between the OS and XXHighEnd?. The answer is, in my opinion YES.
Naturally certain conditions are required, for example, it also requires of a proper hardware configuration in the Music PC (as Peter has suggested in another post http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2421.msg26705 # msg26705 ), and to find solutions to some problems of W8. Also the other system components require special care. As for example in some aspects as the vibration isolation or having power lines for the sound system separated from the rest of the house.

For the changes implemented in the hardware of my Music Pc I have faithfully followed the recommendations of Peter. I took out from inside the computer the hard drives with music and  I left in the computer the hard drive with OS/XXHighEnd as well as the hard drive I use as Playback Drive both with SATA III connection.
The hdd with music, at this moment 2 x 2TB each, are connected to a self-powered USB 3.0 hub and this hub to an USB 3.0 port in the motherboard. I tested the differences in SQ of the two mb USB 3.0 ports and the remaining free port in the TeckNet USB 3.0 PCIe card until finally I chose the one I think sounded better, that is one in the mb.

With respect to software, I have not touched anything in the W8 BIOS, so it is installed as is (Windows 8 Pro). No updates installed and no virtual memory. That's it.

I've tried almost all the possible combinations of W7 and W8 with previous versions of XXHE and with the latest version. I tested also some combinations of settings in 09-z9 as Phase Alignment on/off, different values ​​for Q5, iPhase off or +/- ON, clock resolution etc. and in the end I used the Peter settings for 09-z9, which for me also sound the best.

As I say W8 and 09-z9 it is in my opinion the best OS/XXHE combination so far. The main differences in SQ I detected with respect to other combinations of OS/XXHE are:

- Detail. The sound is the most detailed I've heard. I used, as always, a few albums I've listened literally hundreds of times. I have discovered new sounds that were hidden and it was an unbelievable surprise. Never before, in any case, I had heard certain sounds that are now perfectly audible.

- Density. The sound is dense and I wish I could explain, dense as I mean is not equal to thick, but a fuller sound with more information, I could define it, for lack of better words, like a more mature sound, more complete.

- Bass. The bass deserves a special comment. At first it seems too large, even a little fuzzy, but if you get used to it you´ll be hearing a bass that seems to be more faithful to the recording than previously. That is, if the bass is exaggerated it appears so, however in well made recordings the bass appears with an almost perfect intonation and depth. In my opinion, if the bass has the right size and it is correctly reproduced, as it is the case in the 09-z9 version, it becomes an essential factor to give the sound that density to which I referred.

- Palpability. The combination of the three previous sections gives the sound a palpability even greater than at other times. It seems as if the sound had a physical embodiment, as if it could be touched.

- Volume. With regard to the volume level I'm not sure if in other versions it is as important as it is now. I think that the richness of the sound is volume level dependent, and I guess that it will happen in each system (including the listening room), in my case with the 09-z9 version the better setting is -33db/-31.5db, that's the equivalent to 30db/-28.5db when PeakExtend was active in the other versions which is the volume that was using before most of the time.

Finally, I would like to comment on other important issues such as the control of vibration and the separate power lines for the rig that also contribute to some extent to the excellent sound of W8/09-z9.

With regard to vibration, if anyone has seen the photos of my system it may have called attention to a number of discs I've placed on the amplifiers and the NOS1. Both have the boxes without sufficient isolation for the vibration (sorry Peter) and if you hit with the fingers on the external plates you can feel that the boxes are not tight. So I put the discs above and also looking for the correct placement that avoids these vibrations, once I placed the  discs hitting with the fingers give a deaf sound. I think it increases the sharpness. The same applies to the foot of NOS1 and amplifiers. In this case it seems that Peter used a Magic Feet or something like that, I use some cones I retained from a Wadia cd player and have placed them, in the case of the NOS1 beneath the four corners and in the center, 5 in total. What I can say at the end is that all these changes contribute to the best sound. To complete the issue of vibrations the external hard drives are suspended by rubber bands, one being a special case Sharkoon and another a wood box with ther rubber bands that I made ​​myself. The computer case has also some pressed rubber feet that I´ve found at a very cheap price. I'll put some pictures in the post HOW I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC FOR XXHIGHEND AND ...

The separate power lines, as it is well known also contribute to the SQ. I have it in my home although in my case I can not have a ground different from that of the building in which I live, I can switch off from the electrical box almost the whole home except the sound system. With respect to the part that concerns the Music PC what I did was take out from the audio circuit (again thanks Peter) the hard drives with music and I have connected it to other independent power breakers of the house and the sound equipment. These hdd are also are connected to a power conditioner.

The combination of all what I have said here makes a sound that IMHO is the best so far. I guess that to the extent that Peter will delve into Windows 8 will appear better XXHE versions, which,  although it seems difficult, we all know from experience that it is possible.

Thanks Peter.

Best regards,
Juan
651  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 09-z9 with W8: Sound interruptions on: May 29, 2013, 09:42:59 pm
Ok, this is the paragraph in the Release Notes that mention this problem:

"Issue for Windows 8:
It can be so (though it can be PC specific) that after a reboot at least one time Playback stops right in the middle somewhere. Usually this is within a few minutes. When this happens, a movement of the mouse may recommence playback. This should be an OS issue.
Now, be careful a bit, because when Phase Alignment is engaged, this will imply the famous tick/plop and it will happen again when playback commences. Not too bad for most, but can be nasty for many.
Here it was never seen that this "stalling" happened more than once per boot session."

It happens some way different in my case:

- Within one album (Wav files, maybe that was a coincidence) and yes after a reboot the stall happened several times not only one time.

- If it was within exactly 5 minutes of the start that I´m not sure

- That the sound continues after exactly 5 minutes was not the case here, as I said the sound continues after maybe 2 minutes (yesterday I timed it) and the other stalls lasted only for about 10 seconds or so.

- What I´m certain is that yesterday and today it only happened within one album and only in one album (if I do not reboot).

I´m not using Phase Alignment, at this moment I´m using exactly your settings in W8 with 09-z9.

Juan
652  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / 09-z9 with W8: Sound interruptions on: May 29, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Once in a while the sound is interrupted for a couple of minutes and then returns, sometimes the interruption takes only
a few seconds. I think that it happens only with WAV files. There is not any message from XXHE about a problem.

Juan
653  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Enjoy it! on: May 29, 2013, 08:24:12 am
Aston Martin Speakers ....mmmm, it would  be a good idea, imagine they build it the same way they build their cars. And you always could say: I own a pair of Aston Martin haha

Juan
654  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Enjoy it! on: May 28, 2013, 09:09:27 pm
Ah! I see ... the word Speaker. You misread the word Speedster as Speaker, and later I misread in your post Speaker as Speedster so I didn´t understand well your post, I thought...well, better leave it as it is, what a mess! haha

Juan
655  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Enjoy it! on: May 28, 2013, 08:06:49 pm
I could not have forgotten the NOS1! good

Juan
656  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: Enjoy it! on: May 28, 2013, 07:45:19 pm
There are special things in life, things well done, things that bring us happiness and admiration, things like the Phasure NOS1  Wink or... the Aston Martin CC100 Speedster Concept:

http://cc100.astonmartin.com/

Juan
657  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 09-z9. Not Wallpaper Coverart and other problems on: May 27, 2013, 07:07:48 pm
Ok, thank you Peter

Juan
658  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 09-z9 with W8: Alt+S sometimes turn off totally XXHE. on: May 27, 2013, 06:38:40 pm

Btw, it would be a good thing that you explicitly confirm (again ? haha) that whatever it is you do, *never* happened in W7 but now easily in W8. That would be a sort of odd.
And do you use the W7 Shell ? (it can't matter I think, but I do).

Lastly : Only with Alt-s, and never with using the Stop button by mouse ?

Thanks,
Peter

- I do not remember it happened in W7 that´s all can I say ("Never say never again", remember? haha).

- It do not happens easily in W8, only a couple of times in maybe 50 times so far.

- It happened only with Alt-S and not with the Stop button.

Juan
659  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 09-z9 with W8: Alt+S sometimes turn off totally XXHE. on: May 27, 2013, 06:20:17 pm
Hi Juan - Do you really mean Unattended here ?
If so, I don't understand what you mean. XXHighEnd is not even running in that case. So ?

Peter

Ok sorry, although Unattended is active I first hit Alt+X to bring the monitor active and later I hit Alt+S to stop playing. A couple of times and only a couple of times (it never happen in W7 anyway) XXHE was turned off totally.

Juan
660  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / 09-z9 with W8: Alt+S sometimes turn off totally XXHE. on: May 27, 2013, 06:06:03 pm
With 09-z9 and W8 when I hit Alt+S sometimes turn off totally XXHE.

It happens at Minimize OS and Unattended.

Juan
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