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931  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Playback drive drive on: August 21, 2012, 12:56:52 pm

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What I also wanted to know is if I must format with NTFS 64Kb blocksize also the drive where the OS and XX are.

No. But didn't you read that (new) section ? Edit : So the answer is NO.



No, I havenīt read it although Iīve tried, thatīs because I canīt find it. Where is that Blocksize section?

Juan,

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What I also wanted to know is if I must format with NTFS 64Kb blocksize also the drive where the OS and XX are.
Lastly keep in mind :
It is you and only you who wants the glitchless playback outside the usage of the Playback Drive. This is all right of course, but personally I wouldn't bother and certainly would not be obsessed about it. And honestly, most probably I too may get "glitches" when not using the Playback Drive. So, I do for maybe half a year now, and this was before Phase Alignment was developed. I never even tried without Playback Drive.

If I had known that a few days ago... Probably I havenīt understood you well before.

Thanks

Hi Juan, I think you should try to format the playback drive in the way you describe first. And then try it. It may work fine.

If it hasn't been formatted the way XX wants, you'll just get an error. In this case, you will have to use the command line and input format E: /fs:exFAT /q (taking E: as an example drive). BUT... I found that I had to run the command line in Administrator mode. To do this, I did a search for 'cmd.exe' in the Start menu and then created a shortcut for it on the desktop. I think went into Properties for the shortcut and set 'run as Administrator'. The format then seemed to work fine.

I have no idea what block size is created when you format from the command line but the drive definitely works OK as a playback drive.

Peter may have his own views, but quite honestly, I wouldn't go to the bother of reformatting the OS/XX drive just for a bigger block size if using playback drive solves any playback problems you currently have. If it doesn't, then maybe consider it.
HTH.

Thank you Mani, Iīm now coping all the tracks of my music drive to another drive and after that I will format it, my only 2Tb music drive. I already formatted the Playback Drive but until I finish the whole process I canīt test it, maybe tomorrow. What I donīt know is if the tracks that were originally in a drive with NTFS (4096 bytes), as they were in my music drive, and I return that tracks again to the drive once it is formatted as NTFS (64kb) if that is correct or not or if I should rip again all the music.

I formatted the Playback Drive the way I use to, but if it doesnīt work Iīll follow the way you mention.

I wonīt touch the OS/XX drive, letīs see if with what Iīm doing now all is ok.

Thank you again.

One more thing :

You said you also hear ticks at changing the volume. Now careful :

These fairly small ticks are a bug in the program IF you hear them later than the volume changes. Actually they happen on SFS boundaries. So, that is unavoidable. BUT :
When you hear them at Start and Stop, it is logic (to me) that you hear them at the exact volume change point as well. So in that case you will hear two anomalies : one time at exact volume change which will be a somewhat louder plop, and after that (can be 10 seconds or more later easily) a less loud more "tick".

Peter

I canīt test it now but if I remember well I heard the ticks after some seconds after I applied the volume change.
I will test everything again with and without the Playback Drive once I finish the process of formatting drives.

Regards,

Juan
932  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Playback drive drive on: August 21, 2012, 11:22:58 am
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I donīt understand the way explained in the manual, so far I formated the drives with a right click in the drive => Format and there I can choose the file system and the blocksize. Is it not valid this way to format the drive?.


Yea, but I don't understand what problem you are trying to describe. Unless you meant "can not choose" (see bold text in quote).


What I donīt understand is the way to format the disk as it is explained in How to let XXHighEnd format a Volume (more advanced) http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2086.0

What I said is that I always format the drives the way I have described in the post. As in this way to format doesnīt appear those Hidden Folders I wasnīt sure if I was formatting the drive correctly.

What I also wanted to know is if I must format with NTFS 64Kb blocksize also the drive where the OS and XX are (now it is NTFS 4096 bytes). Of course in this case Iīll have to make a new installation of both, the OS and XX.

Regards,
Juan
933  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Playback drive drive on: August 21, 2012, 12:23:33 am

I had to use the command line to format the playback drives, F: and G: (as described in the XX online manual), otherwise they would not work.


Hey Mani, Iīm going to format my drives to see if this way I can avoid the stops I have now playing with Allow Phase Alignment and SFS 2. Now I have my drives formated as NTFS but with blocksize of 4096 bytes. Peter recommends NTFS with 64 KB blocksize.

I donīt understand the way explained in the manual, so far I formated the drives with a right click in the drive => Format and there I can choose the file system and the blocksize. Is it not valid this way to format the drive?.

Do I have to format all the drives, I mean the one with the OS and XX plus the ones with music, or just the ones with the music files?

Best regards, Juan
934  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 19, 2012, 08:42:15 pm
Ok, thanks.
Juan
935  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 19, 2012, 08:06:47 pm
Hey Juan,

If it were for me you are mixing up things now. I mean, first you say that with Playback Drive you have no issues, only at start/stop, and next you continue with "but without Playback drive I have glitches". This does not work for me, because now I don't know what to answer anymore. So, one thing at the time, and I don't think it should be about anything with the Playback Drive in use (and otherwise rebuild your PC because it is clear (to me) that something is not right or on par). So …


Sorry if I havenīt explain myself with enough clarity.

Always with SFS 2.0 and Phase Alignment Engaged:

- With Playback Drive: I have some plops at the start of the first track and when I change volume. However there are no stops.

- Without Playback Drive: I have the same plops as before but also the sound stops after a few minutes of playing.

Now Iīm not using the Playback Drive, not until I solve the problems. I use only the Music drive.


With "net" buffer I mean the result of the product of Device Buffer Size, Q1 and Q1Factor. Otherwise see the ToolTip on Q1Factor (I think it is described there). Remember, this is about Start/Stop only, like you brought it up yourself (as actually the only issue).

I used the values between Q1=-1 and Q1=4 without positive results. Still the plops and stops.

But about that other issue :
When you hear glitches (or plops with Phase Alignment engaged) ... a disk light is a light which flashes when disk access is happening. Since all is priority related (OS and hardly XXHE), when sound stalls (a plop in your case) during disk access, you can bet that something chokes in that area.

My PC has two external lights, one is the on/off light and it is permanently on, the other one is the restart light and is flashing lightly all the time with SFS 2.0 or with SFS 50 with or without glitches. Is it the indication of some problem?.


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I can avoid the glitches if I set the SFS to 50, the sound is also great but it seems more accurate with SFS at 2.0

I don't think it is the idea that I now start trying to tune everyone's system, only because someone told that SFS=2 sounds great. I mean, I am not the person to be addressed with such issues. At least I don't think I am. But the least I could do is write this : A Guide to Glitchless Playback. Maybe that helps ?

Of course you canīt tune everyoneīs system one by one but you are a reference for all of us and we, the less technically prepared, need to follow your steps. Otherwise, sorry to say, it appears as something absolutely incomprehensible, at least to me.

As far as I know you have chosen the SFS 2.0 setting and if it works for you, and with that setting you get a great sound, Iīd like that it would work for me also.
How do I know if SFS 2.0 sounds better or worse than SFS 50 if canīt make it works with SFS 2.0?.

Btw, I read several times the A Guide to Glitchless Playback as I mentioned in a previous post and found it very useful but even with that help I canīt solve all my problems.

One hint : I format my music hdds with maximum blocksize for NTFS (64 KB). Did you ? or did you leave it at the default which is AFAIK 512 bytes. Now, divide the two into each other and plainly see it as the factor your disk access is slower than mine FOR THESE HUGE FILES.

One way or the other, hope it helps !

All my hdds are formated as NTFS, I donīt know more details about that.

Thank you, Juan







936  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 19, 2012, 05:37:48 pm
As I said I have stops and pops when I use the settings that can be seen in the previous post. I can avoid the glitches if I set the SFS to 50, the sound is also great but it seems more accurate with SFS at 2.0

Following the advises of A Guide to Glitcless Playback
(http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2029.0), Iīve started the Task Manager to watch the cpu and memory behaviour, I havenīt seen notorious spikes at different settings as you can see in some printed screens.

At the end in the Guide it is said: "If you hear problems but don't see it on the cpu graph, watch the disk light and see whether it's related."
I donīt understand what disk light is talking about.

Juan
937  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 19, 2012, 01:39:19 pm
Then you must try to find the better net buffer settings. It really can work easily. So if you can't do it with what's in my sig, I'm puzzled a bit.

Peter

Thanks Peter,

When I shut off the Wallpaper Coverart the sound stops after arourd 4 or 5 minutes the same way with the Wallpaper Coverart activated. This happens always when I donīt use the Playback Drive.

Sorry I have no clear what you mean with "net buffer", is it the Device Buffer or the USB buffer in the Control Panel?

I post here the screens of my settings to see if this way is easier to see if I have some error.

Juan
938  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: EAC or dbPoweramp? on: August 19, 2012, 01:16:21 pm
Thatīs an old issue. Months ago I posted this: About ripping
Please take a look, you also wrote some posts there:

http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1908.msg19574#msg19574

I use now dbPoweramp because is faster than EAC but I have some of my favorits albums ripped also with EAC, once in a while I play them and to tell you the truth not always I can find differences, but I always have in mind the feeling that EAC has a more pleasant sound without loosening details.

Best regards,
Juan
939  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 18, 2012, 07:14:25 pm
The question is : what do you use for the Playback Drive ?
Mention as many specs as you can get hold of.

If you are talking about hardware this is what I use for Playback Drive: USB 3.0 WD Elements 1TB (bus powered) connected to a powered hub of USB 3.0 seven ports (power adapter 5V/4A).


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As it is said in the Manual, that could be improved (avoid the stops) with bigger SFS, more attenuation or with less Phase Intensity

The last mentioned is certainly not true. It is totally unrelated. However, once glitches are there, the more attenuation, the less audible. But point is : you should have ZERO glitches. And the Playback Drive 100% sure can help with that. Not that it was created for that, but alas ...

Well, I donīt have zero glitches, there is some pops when the first track is engaged and when I rise or down-rise the volume, no other glitches besides the mentioned stops. What I wanted to say is that the Manual says is that that glitches can be ameilloriated (less audibles) with more attenuation, etc.

What is certain is that using the Playback Drive avoids the stops although not the pops as the start of the album and when volume is changed.

Juan
940  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Playback Drive avoids stops on: August 18, 2012, 06:48:51 pm
Iīm having stops while playing 09z-07 with SFS 2, Allow Phase Alignment activated and Phase active (+), Phase Intensity=1 and volume level -28,5/-33db. This happens when I play the music directly from my Music hdd. As it is said in the Manual, that could be improved (avoid the stops) with bigger SFS, more attenuation or with less Phase Intensity, the problem is that I like the sound with those settings. I realized that using the Playback Drive with those settings, the best ones for me, I can avoid the stops.

Although I thought that Playback Drive was sounding worse than using the Music hdd directly now after more listening time I think that the sound is very very similar, if not the same. I wonder if you, Peter, have any explanation on why using the Playback Drive can avoids the stops.

Best regards, Juan
941  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Playback Drive use on: August 18, 2012, 06:16:15 pm
Hi Juan,

Did I say somewhere this must be 2TB ?

No, you just use it in your Music PC (the one you were building)

942  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Playback Drive use on: August 18, 2012, 04:35:04 pm
Hi Peter, whatīs the idea to use such a big (2Tb) hdd for Playback Drive?. Every time XX is closed the Playback drive is empty. Donīt you close XX once in a while?. Ok, hdds are cheaper every time but 500Gb or 1Tb for Playback Drive is not enough?.

Juan
943  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Very Surprised on: August 18, 2012, 04:25:48 pm

Of course nobody is behind with anything;

Anyone who lets all the MS updates flow is 100% guaranteed by me personally that he *will* run into troubles and  that he will have no way to go to.
Did I say Period ?

Peter

Ok Peter, that sounds pretty clear.

Which is something else than applying particular updates which are known for the better (I don't know of any, but they may exist).
Haha.

Well, the door open again... scratching

Juan
944  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Very Surprised on: August 18, 2012, 01:56:02 pm
Hi Juan - back in the day I used Windows 7 vanilla. I thought it sounded OK at the time and ran it like that for some time. However I eventually did apply updates and it led to a significant improvement in the SQ specifically the updates removed an edginess to the sound others I think have had the same experience.

Paul
Thanks Paul,
Probably I've been behind on this issue. So you applied all the updates or just some of them?

Juan
945  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Very Surprised on: August 18, 2012, 01:33:08 pm
Hi All,

So having run out of ideas I reloaded the o/s full clean install of W7 then fully updated.

Wow what a difference!!
Paul

Congratulations Paul, once you can use PA Iīm sure youīll be surprised about the new sound.

If I understand you well you reloaded the OS and then you updated it, with all the upates?. So far Iīm using the OS without updates and the sound is terrific...

Best regards, Juan
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