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481  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 10:45:01 pm
Peter, I´d say that with both sides isolated there is a similar hum as when both sides are non isolated. So, more hum than when only the card is isolated.

Now I have a different problem, lately I´ve been using the NOS1 RCA outputs but today I wanted to test some XLR cables and when I plugged the cables in the XLR NOS1 inputs the meters were reading 0.00mv. This happens with both sides isolated and it was n´t happening in the other cases, with only the card isolated or with none of them isolated.

Regards,
Juan
Hi Juan,

0.00mv ? Isn't that the Nirvana that we are all looking for ? Happy

Alain
482  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 08:57:19 pm
Juan,

But without isolation (PC side) there is more hum ?
At least that's what I recall you saying ...

Regards,
Peter
The contrary Happy
http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2838.msg29816#msg29816
483  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 02:07:20 pm
I notice that in your sig you "keep Kan - not persist"... Don't tell me that you have seen people from Star Trek Wink

Google for "Khan (Start Trek" - it will be clearer...
484  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 01:59:59 pm
Peter, when changing something like isolating the ground from USB... I know what I am to say is not based on anything scientific, but could it be that when the noise patterns change, the filtering changes in some way and is able to extract more details - IOW, a detail that is buried in noise will be emphasized ?

Sorry if it is kind of "childish" and badly described...

Alain
485  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 01:41:33 pm
Peter,

As always, I arrive late, but I also remarked (I am with W8) that there is more weight on the right side. It is obvious. I played a little with the balance (preamp) but it does not completely correct this.

I have another observation, but it is not really related to the isolation from ground... For a while now, I need to increase the volume to get a nice level ? I don't recall having to increase gain like this with W7, but I have not used W7 for many months now...

Alain
486  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 28, 2014, 01:34:03 pm
My USB-cable only has D+, D- wires and separate ground wire (no 5V wire). The ground wire can easily be disconnected.

What influence could disconnecting the ground wire have? I haven’t dared to try it (Ok, this also shows my lack of proper knowledge about electronics  blush1)

Regards,
Stanley

Hi Stanley,

Since Peter has this project, I would say that we're all in the "same boat" and while Peter is the Captain, we are the sailors Happy

Regards,

Alain
487  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? IMAGE on: January 28, 2014, 01:28:47 pm
By the way, when you still mention the "power supply", even if all works fine since I disconnected (and isolated) the black wire, you are not talking about the 2 toroidal power supplies right ? This shows my total lack of knowledge about electronics...

As far as I understand it should be this wire (coming from USB ground) and not the mains ground you might refer too.

See picture.

Peter, correct me if I am wrong!
Thanks Bert for the picture... I forgot it when I came back yesterday... Yes, this is the wire I detached and isolated Happy

Alain
488  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Further Isolation of the Silverstone PCIe - USB Card on: January 27, 2014, 05:48:21 pm

ok!

(misunderstanding: in my NOS1 the USB grounding was attached to the PSU board with a little screw not a bolt like the PE wire)

regards, Coen

I think that you described it better than I... A screw yes, attached to the PSU "board", not the PSU itself... Anyway, will post a pic later...

Alain
489  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Further Isolation of the Silverstone PCIe - USB Card on: January 27, 2014, 04:41:47 pm
Hum... The "thick" guy that I am is now confused unhappy I will post a photo later to show what I did... It will be easier for all to see if I did the right (or wrong) thing...

Alain
490  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: Further Isolation of the Silverstone PCIe - USB Card on: January 27, 2014, 02:13:14 pm
Hi Anthony,

Did you disconnect the chassis ground wires in the NOS1 like Peter suggested in the " best sound ever"  disconnected ground thread?

If you didn't its about the USB grounding wire from the USB receptacle to the PSU and the one from the PE to the chassis.

regards, Coen
Hi Coen,

There are two of them to disconnect ? There is one that I disconnected from the printed circuit (it is attached to the upper right screw in the right branch when facing the NOS1), but the other ?

Regards,

Alain
491  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 27, 2014, 01:26:34 pm
Thanks Peter, you present things in such a way that I am impatient to read your daily reports !

By the way, when you still mention the "power supply", even if all works fine since I disconnected (and isolated) the black wire, you are not talking about the 2 toroidal power supplies right ? This shows my total lack of knowledge about electronics...

Alain

492  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 26, 2014, 06:00:04 pm
Haha.

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There is this black wire, that starts from the DAC USB port, passes through the "H" and lands at the corner of a printed circuit, tied alone to a screw... Is it this I have to remove and isolate ?

Alain, Yes. And this DOES matter because after this nothing sounded anymore (from Windows Cool.

Peter
? I sure hope something will sound somewhat... Happy
493  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 26, 2014, 05:45:34 pm
I thought you meant that a crankshaft could break Wink But I understood Happy

494  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 26, 2014, 05:16:24 pm
Hi Juan,

I did not think about this... Increasing the mass of an object could affect its resonance ?

Alain
495  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: USB to PC chassis ground ? (noise) - The biggest change ever ! on: January 26, 2014, 04:50:49 pm
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Peter is mentioning need of opening NOS1, doing something in there. I have not opened mine. What (USB thingie) can be isolated fm ground?

In the right leg there's the main PSU and (being in front of the NOS1) under the top right bolt of that PSU is a black wire; unscrew the bolt, detach the wire (it is not soldered), isolate it's bare end and ticj it through the sleeves at the right side or something (so you at least know where it's *not* going).
Notice : Not the best solution at all because it now may catch "noise" but do NOT detach it from the USB interface as of now because it is too fragile there; also, this is all trialling.

Remember, it is part of the isolation at the PC side, and part of the Silverstone setup and without anything else (like using W8) this will NOT work for the better. So let this wire be as it is for now.
Just in case I generate an explosion or place an order for a new NOS1 (in the case I really screw things up)...

There is this black wire, that starts from the DAC USB port, passes through the "H" and lands at the corner of a printed circuit, tied alone to a screw... Is it this I have to remove and isolate ?

Alain
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