Nick,

Congrats!

Keep us updated with pics and your experiences 

Best,
VJ

I had a good friend of mine visit for a listen ....

Few of his comments...

"VJ!!! .... these don't sound like anything before (he's visited me several times before)"

"I don't think I've ever heard sound like this from 180deg or beyond"

"You have achieved the absolute purity of sound"

"I hear no glare whatsoever"

"Vertical soundstage ... that's a fist time ... nice"

"No listening fatigue"


So well confirmed....

Next level up without question is acoustic tuning the room. Plan it with the B'ASS 

Hope it helps some ...

VJ

The low end is also what I was aiming for. No way I like room treatments... that's why I restrained from it all these years, trying all kinds of tweaks to avoid them. Yes at present it does look imposing, but luckily its a dedicated room, so not much heat from the wife 

There is really nothing sexy or exciting about room treatments. These huge items are suddenly occupying space in the listening room imposing their presence...

The idea was to tame the bass (which was not too bad + 6-8 dB in the upper bass, otherwise flat to 20 Hz), and the acoustic specialist argued his way into the diffusers, and I obliged. And this is where it gets interesting .... ofcourse bass was increased without smear, but more importantly how things changed with the mids/highs. Diffusers add some critical benefit in the frequency, spectral/power and time domain. Any micro/nano inconsistencies with the mids and the highs which affect image localization, temporal resolution, group distortion, timbre recognition, flutter echoes are reduced to a point below threshold. All of a sudden the system is flying. Bugatti on a race track vs a back country road with potholes....

Therefore the proposal for the new finding is as follows:

" Reflections are fine and dandy for non-critical listening, or systems with lower SNR (I don't know the threshold) ... maybe (-)96 dB. For the extreme detail provided by the Phasure DAC, these reflections actually are very detrimental. Adding acoustic treatments --  for the first reflections will greatly decreased room associated noise, not only bass, but also mids and highs. This also allows for listening at much higher volumes before it gets too loud, or loss of musicality"

Evangelized yet?
 

Only thing I'm promoting (if this is directed to me), is room treatments ... can't say it enough.

All it takes is a few diffusers for the first reflection. And bass traps (if needed), and maybe corner traps.

It will enhance "any present PHASURE" system well beyond expected. The SNR is so good that "the room" is the BIG limiting factor. A whole set of distortions that you thought didn't exist will disappear.

I would love for others to try it, if they haven't .....

Simple but "most" essential upgrade!

 
VJ

Beolab

I've had the opportunity to hear these speakers at the pre release party here in Beverly Hills, LA (invite Only  ). I was quite excited about the event, considering it had what I thought ideal parameters for a acoustic transducer. The ability to integrate and manipulate listening window. Granted it was not the most ideal setup. A bit noisy from the busy Rodeo Drive, MP3 only, I did not find it special. Also a sense of DSP failure... too many transducers, the wide dispersion was disappointing (uneven power response)and the narrow mode was decent, but nothing special for the asking price or even less than half of it. The image density was poor. The SNR was as good as a decent car stereo. Again this was with the shortcoming as mentioned.

Did you get to audition it? I would be interested in your experience 

Best,
VJ

*Edit* -  forgot, the above was also confirmed by a second pair of ears1, a friend who I had invited. He's heard my old set up...

Ramesh,

A few steps higher .....

So called uniform response is a unicorn.... in what domain is it? just power ... not enough ...    other variable are indeed required.

I'm putting forward the conclusion ... with what Bert/Peter have achieved .... controlling the reflections will enhance the systems performance well beyond presently possible ... wide/narrow dispersion or otherwise ...... All it requires is to incorporate room treatments 

New acoustic panels and new position of the speakers now have near completely solved room interactions.

If you are visiting LA, round 2 .... 



 

Ahaa!!

Yes indeed   

Fascinating,

Everyone took a different message from this talk...

For me it was the speaker behavior off axis, power response as he called it. This is most critical, as I've experienced with the addition of acoustic treatments. If the reflections do not replicate the original wave (uneven frequency, temporal, power output), will fail authentication ... as the reflections are not confirming the first/original wave from the speaker (this in addition to a whole other parameters).

Speaker testing .... looks like is still a long way off from being standardized.

Best,
VJ

So,

Since I was alerted to the nuances of a prior post, a bit of friendly exchange ....  all in good faith 

Someone the other day touted graphenes cables as a good choice for conductors.... the  "fact"  is scientists were only recently able to use graphene for conduction ... I mean in the last few weeks. So where does friction lie?

As a participant in multiple national and international studies .... I value standardized testing, otherwise there is no baseline. Science is built on reproducibility ....

What did I learn ..... plain and simple ..... utilizing scientifically proven technology in my room had a more drastic effect to music reproduction since I can remember ....maybe Oreleo and the Phasure DAC.

Science .... you should try it some time .... it's fantastic 

Kidding aside .... I'm now a proponent for room acoustics...

Best,
VJ

CoenP

Thank you ....

Looks like everyone is talking a different idea from it. I would not discount this speaker that easily   .

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/bas/0609/

I've had the opportunity to see MF in action a few times ... and am familiar with how he works ...

VJ

P.s. The truth might be a bit hard to digest. It is what it is straightly put .... untrained ears variable and biased results. Untrained golden ears .... same. Go thro the golden ear training program from HR or Phillips .... there is some standardization there.

Hi Mani,

No free lunch ....

I was aware of Oreleo's performance in my place, adding the acoustic treatments (of course I worked with a acoustic specialist), took its performance waay beyond my expectations. I was under the impression, more the reflections, the better (coming from an omniland), but not entirely so. I can't say this enough ..... the SNR is now something else! Phase manipulation, recording errors, techniques are easily heard.

All I had to do was increase the bass by 1.5dB from the factory setting. Enough to let a jet fly across the room

Also transient detail retrieval.... now indistinguishable from real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5vkOhakM8
Even though most will think its present anyways (guilty myself...  ), not entirely so until reflections are well under control. 


Best,
VJ

So,

Virtual reality edition might be bit of a hyperbole. But....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpUDuUtxPM

Room is the "elephant" in music reproduction...

I got room treatments (GiK acoustics) and changed the position of the speakers to accommodate them. This is for the fist reflections and bass. And it's not a small change ..... most critical Upgrade imho. The issues with flutter echoes (one will not know how much is present, till it's contained), and bass modes, have been solved to a great part. All of a sudden the SNR is off the roof (which entails retrieval of ultra-low level details a not just John Doe low level). The imaging definition, depth and low level signal linearity, detail is actually appreciable at this point of time. All of a sudden the previously familiar albums, are now playing in virtual reality, as funny as it sounds in equipment reviews.... an entirely new experience. And I would not put it lightly .... . It takes a lot for me to get excited, for me this is a big change..!!

Also appropriately recorded albums can elicit a near surround sound Effect. Ex: Roger Waters- amused to death (p.s. I had to listen to it twice, the previously barely interesting album, yesterday blew my socks away in scale and presence); I Ching; DSOTM. I'm not talking of music barely making it outside the speakers .... but music coming from nearly behind ....  I call it envelopment (  or VR   ), with the proper implementation by the mixing artist.

This exemplifies what the Orelos are capable of, also the rest of the chain. This setup now for me is going the right direction, exemplifying the systems inherent properties, avoiding any extrinsic anomalies. I can listen at very high volumes and hear more into the music without smearing or distortion.

Reference level performance...

Peter,

Yes glasses can be used, but of a different kind

Mani,

Every Oreleo owner can easily upgrade, so can other too. More to follow. Mundane work day will not permit from a detailed explanation right now.

Best,
VJ

A yearly follow up ....

I've recently updated my Oreleos to the VR edition. B)

Virtual reality edition

Only a few minor changes needed. But the sound now is phenomenal.

Merry Christmas and a very happy new year to one and all!

VJ