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631  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: February 16, 2009, 01:09:15 pm
What I really would like to see in XX is support for either a simple EQ with some 16-20 bands, or possibilities for linking to e.g. Audiolense etc.

Then each of our (very different) choice of TASTE in SQ reproduction will be taken care of in a good way. I for one would be very happy with an standard EQ.

The "simple EQ" cant do a good job in most cases (including mine).
What would be really good, is to interface (i.e. use a filter) with DRC:
http://drc-fir.sourceforge.net/

It's open source and on total different level than paremetric eq, or even more sophisticate piece of hardware such as Lyngdorf and DEQX.

I know that Peter is working on some filters, so this may be the right moment to look over room correction.
632  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Q experiment anyone ? on: February 16, 2009, 12:48:15 am
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Peter, did you let your guests get used to this setting?  invert/non-invert? It is a big change (maybe threw them at first

No, not really. We compared DACs, and did not get into "at what setting which DAC may sound best". And since I'm not done with these settings myself ... dancing

We didn't have time. My guts, I prefer it disabled.
633  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Another comparison with an ESS Sabre based DAC on: February 12, 2009, 08:31:22 pm
BTW: Previously I had a DIY DDDAC with 5 towers (60 pcs) of stacked Philips TDA1543 dac chips, without oversampling (NOS) and no filtering (Filterless). It was build without compromise, including the most expensive CERAFINE and BG capacitors, etc. It was truly an extremly dynamic and "live" sounding DAC. It made most other DACs sound like dead byrds. BUT it also turned violins into synthezisers.

I dont know the ddac very well, but I dont think that it has nothing to do with OS/NOS.
It is more a matter of resolution and dac typology.

I can tell you that the NOS1 did not turn the Violins into synthesizers.
634  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Another comparison with an ESS Sabre based DAC on: February 12, 2009, 04:47:46 pm
As someone may have guessed, I am visitor B.

First of all, I want to thank again Peter for the hospitality and for giving me the chance to do an important A/B comparison of DACs.

If "cost no object", I would have already shed a few dozens of thousands euros to get a system alike my reference. Instead my goal is to get a reference-grade sound at a fraction of that cost. No bullsh*t. I know that it can be done. But I had to enter the diy world.

Everybody has its own parameters, so I will never say that what I like has to be agreed by everyone, though it makes me happy when is the case. My friend, visitor "A", happens to agree with my ears most of the times. I was glad to hear things similarly from Peter, whose ears -I guessed and I know now- can be trusted.
I'm not posting my comments online anywhere but here, although I will express all my thoughts privately to people worthy of my esteem.
I dont see the reason to bash the ESS Sabre, especially in the DIY community, and I have no commercial interest whatsoever, unlike Peter, (whom i believe to be motivated by the reach of good sound, rather than money) Happy .

My approach in the evaluation stage is to listen just anything, without knowing what's inside and which is the pricetag. This helps avoiding the placebo effect (to which I think to be quite resistant). So, when I auditioned the system which then became my reference, I didnt know exactly what parts were in the audio gear.

I think that more or less, the evaluation stage is finished for me, at least regarding the source. I believe to have made the right choice about the speakers and the amplification, but it is too soon to tell.
I will also not comment in detail about my impression of Peter system, I can confirm what he already wrote here, that is, his system is "one of the best that I have ever heard, but not the best". It has one special merit, it is utterly transparent, and i expected that considering the speakers alone, and I wasnt disappointed. This is very helpful in doing a comparison of a single component.
I haven't auditioned hundreds of systems, only a few dozens, but I think to have acquired a decent knowledge.

During the past auditions, I have found to like, more or less, sources based on the pcm1704 converters. I wrongly assumed that my reference cd player employed the older 16-bit tda1541a DACs, and that's what I told Peter. But I was wrong. I did a quick search yesterday and found out that it does instead use 4x 1704, in NOS mode.
The family sound of these DACs is characterized by realistic timbre of instruments, PRAT, and lack of high-frequency distortions*.
Being multibit mono chips, they require an extreme care in the design and implementation of ALL other circuits around. This is not often found in commercial products. A single opamp in the output stage would compromise irreparably the purity of the sound, while an undersized psu would make the bass muddy.

The NOS1**  built by Peter comes quite close to my reference. His system as a whole, though, failed to give me complete emotional involvement. I felt like i was in front of a concert hall, looking through a window, instead of being inside. Still, it was pleasant to listen and I wanted to enjoy the music of my favourite discs for longer.

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*   for lack of a better word. In worse systems this is the mark of a digital sound, metallic, unpleasant and that cannot be stand for long. In better systems, like it was in the case of the Sabre in Peter chain, it is just some annoyance with high tones and desire to tune the volume down. This is the effect that my ears receive typically when there is a sigma-delta DAC in the chain. I dont know why, but it is so.

** configured NOS and filterless, with spdif input provided by the fireface
635  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: future of firewire? on: January 25, 2009, 03:02:43 pm
It looks like this market is dominated by some long known manufacturers, and there is just no openness to new ones. I never suggested I wanted to build a single DAC for myself, and merely asked for 100+ quotations. Nothing leads me to actual manufacturers for help, except for Google. And of course that doesn't help much, because 1 million comes first then.

At least now we know why no consumer DACs with Firewire exist (and personally I don't call any Weiss product a consumer product -> all Pro). It just can't be done at lower volumes.

Because all is so closed, it is my guess that the Firewire companies know by a long time that Firewire times are over. There is a huge existing Pro market, but no real new products emerge there (Weiss possibly being one of the latest). Not at the real levels of 24/192 (96 is another matter).

I agree.

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Chips are sufficiently available, and reproduced when necessary;
When new markets emerge like PC audio needing Firewire (careful here, and I might have been the very first exploring the Fireface800 for such a reason back in 2005), this is too late.

Also true. But there will be usb3. But There also will be native M$ firewire audio drivers and some far east company may make some boards then.
We'll see...


636  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: January 24, 2009, 12:32:30 pm
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Sometime ? hehe, I think it is in the first post of this topic, and planned long before that !

scratching Ah ... I now think you meant without Firewire ...

Yep Happy

and i'm waiting for that email Happy))
637  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Some news about World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: January 22, 2009, 04:07:30 pm
With my ever planned 32/384 DAC I planned a special connection to the PC which has never been done before. That is, not that I know of, and there isn't any reason for it also with other manufacturers;
Then, in this topic I expressed about wanting a general I2S connection. This I2S connection should work for PC's just the same. And as you may know, it is (AFAIK) the most jitter free connection;
I tried this with Firewire as the first carrier, but this is a dead end. I just can't find any Firewire boards with manufacturers that want to sell something, or otherwise the drivers s*ck and access to the SDKs etc. is (too) difficult.
So now I combined my old plan with this new DAC ...

The good news is : I have it working. Thus, no SPDIF, no USB, no Firewire/ADAT or something, but native I2S with a "secret" connection to the PC.
The bad news is : the stupid DAC board only accepts I2S when in Oversampling mode ...

So, after all the hard work it now appears that I2S cannot be used in NOS mode. Yuk.
And "sadly" the nature of the I2S connection indeed sounds better than SPDIF, and it just gives the sweetness I talked about in the above. I know, comparing is a bit of apples and oranges, but since SPDIF can be used in OS mode just the same, this difference in the nature of the sound is very clear.

ah-ha!

I knew that you sometime would have made my same reasoning and trying to get i2s directly from the computer.
That is the best single cable solution. The other best is dual ST, bu too cumbersome to be done with a computer source.

Your last email confused me Wink
638  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: How to play Hires files on: January 03, 2009, 10:15:58 pm
Lastly, I want to emphasize that systems with large amounts of memory (like 64 bit systems with more than 4GB) will not benefit from that as expected;
The real limit for any process is 2GB, which means that relative to my own 2GB case (see above) :

No, this is not true. Only if you want compatibility with 32 bit.
If you make a 64 bit native executable you can go over 2gb per process limit.

639  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 30, 2008, 09:53:44 pm
It seems things all turned out well for the NOS1.
Now, I'm only waiting to listen to it myself Wink
640  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 16, 2008, 12:16:14 pm
good 4 U!
I am sitting with a Carlsberg and listen to 9w-1 with q-4 unattended and it sounds good 2 me
have a nice evening
best
Leif

Any update on the Buffalo?
641  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: 0.9w-4 ... hmm ... on: December 12, 2008, 10:32:38 pm
Another thing that I noticed for the first time is that,there is distortion in music when listening to music from files residing on my hard drive. I mean the difference was big in my case and I could not beleive it, so Smooth...

what I did was setup a 2 gigs Ramdisk and moved xxhe with the wav files to it, then proceeded to listen, wow, the first thing I noticed was, there is less distortion in the presentation, its like a blanket or a cover of distortion was lifted from the music, the bass became more defined, cleaner and stronger... everything sound cleaner.. I am really enjoying it to the point that I will get a SSD as soon as I can.. Pretty interesting... although this is old news for you here, its news to me...! smile smile smile

The problem is always space.
Even who hasnt huge collections like Peter, will fill a SSD pretty soon. 2x160gb intels just wont cut it.
BTW i thought xxhe loaded in memory each track. Now I'm confused...
642  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your questions about the PC -> DAC route / Re: TC Konnekt 8 on: December 12, 2008, 10:27:22 pm
Yes, I found it the other day as well. But please be careful and read the forums before you buy such a thing (http://forum.tcelectronic.com/search.php?search_id=1272165967).

I would think twice. yes

Cannot read the link. Which keyword did you use?
643  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 12, 2008, 02:05:57 am
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directly Firewire connected without soundcard into I2S;

Ah, but maybe you just were talking about "my" solution ? (from over at Twisted Pear)
Well, *that* specific solution won't get to work. But there will be another one ...


It's always good to have a plan B Happy))

ps: signature updated
644  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Digital Volume Control on: December 12, 2008, 02:02:21 am

Of course it can't be bit perfect, but it sure can be 100% without loosing data *except* for the data that disappears in the noise anyway. This was rather extensively explained somewhere in here (I just tried to find it (two topics I think) but failed on that).

hmm...

645  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Windows 7 on: December 09, 2008, 09:38:33 pm
I have the pre-beta evaluation version and the only thing i can say is t hat driver support is very poor.
Moreover, there's some version check in LOTS of programs that wont make they work, while they do in vista. It should not require a rebuild, but some adjustments.

The good thing is that Windows7 should have a better audio stack.
Peter must know more. Me, I surely plan to move to it as soon as it hits RC status, for all my 3 machines.
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