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1  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: B'ASS Current Amplifier on: May 24, 2017, 08:03:04 am
Hi Jonathan - that would be 8 weeks when we wouldn't run into the vacation season - or pass that. scratching

Regards !
2  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Mani's NOS1 G3 on: May 23, 2017, 08:18:20 pm
Been listening with Arc Prediction this morning. Hmm... I think the G3 mates well with 'thinner' and more 'incisive' sound that AP tends to give, compared to any of the Custom filters. Will stick with AP for now and see how I get on with different types of music...

Well ... I have the good old Arc Prediction engaged for close to a week by now, and I must say that "this seems to be it" again.

Dryer, more natural and especially : the right amount of colour in cymbals (I found this lacking somewhat, lately). But also generally : more joy or something. More interesting at all fronts. Shows better what the artist is about.

Thanks !
3  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 22, 2017, 09:09:28 am
Alternatively PeterSt can compile XXHE for the Windows 10 armhf version ... (in my dreams) and then it can run on the ClearFog...

At this moment I can't tell whether this is (relatively) easily possible or not. You actually should ask Jussi because I recall that ever back he made his software (or sound engine part) run on ARM for the Surface. Mind you, this can be (or could be !) done for WASAPI only. The kind of fun was that already that behaved like a nice audio endpoint because WASAPI inherently supports (supported ?) such a thing.
On a side note, I have been glad not to dive into such a solution because no ARM Surface exists any more ...

So the question is how transparant this ARM/WASAPI is. If this is not Surface related at all, it can still be done. But Jussi will be able to tell from the top of his head; I will only know after attempting it.

On another note, do notice that exactly nobody is using WASAPI (in XXHighEnd) while everybody is just allowed to. It just sounds worse (and is another layer) and has few possibilities compared to Kernel Streaming. But hey, this is on normal Windows where the choice exists ...

4  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 22, 2017, 09:00:53 am
The NAA can run either Windows or Linux.

In my case I run HQPlayer on an OS X machine which outputs to NAA.
XXHE runs fine on the machine I want to use as NAA.
My problem is that when I click the #5 switch up/off, and set the driver -> Stereo reduced, then I get 2 drivers in Windows' list of drivers, and when I select the first for the NAA connection, I get sound in my left ear, and when I select the second, I get sound in the right ear. If I either leave the switch up or down, and select Multichannel 4.0, then I get 1 driver, and all the sound is in the left ear unhappy

Hmm ... Tell me, do you have actually normal sound at the highest sampling speed (705600 / 768000) ?

Let's say you are ready for the next step : let HQP run on your Windows machine - the exact same situation as how you currently use XXHighEnd and which works (at the highest speed, I assume).
Maybe you already tried that, but do notice that the topic we are typing in is exactly about this. Thus if you can not get this to run first, then any NAA situation will be too problematic.
Now :

Assumed that you already had HQP (Desktop version !) normally running on the same Windows PC as where you have XXHighEnd running, you will then definitely know how to set things, right ? Now do the same in the NAA environment.
Doesn't work there ? then call out for Jussi.

Keep in mind that for me too it is mighty difficult without the experience (again see this topic) and that, for example, it is very easy to forget to set that one Windows setting (I again refer to that screenshot) - which coincidentally is a W10 issue.
Anyway, it would be my guess (easily) that the NAA version hasn't been tested by anyone regarding this matter. Or maybe it was, but then not the Windows incarnation of it.
And uhm ... I did not even know that this existed ...

We'll get it to work !
5  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 22, 2017, 08:49:23 am
Roon (on music server) -> direct ethernet connection -> HQPlayer (on W10 audio PC) -> NOS1a

Here, the audio PC can't be regarded as an NAA, because it's doing the heavy lifting for HQPlayer... right?

6  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 22, 2017, 08:46:21 am
Hi Jonathan,

Possibly I don't have any real input for you, but I can always try ...

I feel that for 50% of the "challenge" you may think upside down. But, this is already hard for myself to pose correctly. So :

If you run XXHighEnd on what we'd call the Audio PC, then this PC containts totally nothing. Btw I am pretty sure that you do similar with the iSCSI boot (but it is not 100% the same, technically). Thus :
OS boots from RAM and now everything and all can be disconnected. This includes the Network.

When music data is needed, the network is connected (software wise) and the files are loaded in RAM of the Audio PC (this is the PC which plays the music and where the DAC is connected to). After that, network is disconnected again.
Side note : when RDC is used then a small portion of the network needs to stay alive - let's solve that one day. Happy

When music is playing, it is XXEngine3.exe which is active. Nothing else. This situation is as lean as I could make it. Notice though that XXEngine3 is running on the Audio PC itself which may feel counter productive because others do this some other way around : they control the Audio PC on a distance, the player GUI running on that PC at the distance. In our case the player GUI runs on the Audio PC itself, but is completely killed when music starts. Only a small hook to keyboard shortcuts remain, for control.

So intead of controlling the Audio engine from a distance, there is no control needed because all else on the Audio PC is killed and the remaining situation is the same as the one you're thinking of : the audio engine running on its own in a dedicated PC (because it just made itself into that).

The way the music is loaded is exactly the same as in your thinking (I suppose) with the difference perhaps that it is not pushed but pulled by the Audio PC itself. When ? well, when no music is playing - you being in (GUI) control again and thus harmless.

The mistake you may be making is the thinking that the Audio "processor" must be small and not-consuming etc. etc. ... WRONG. Wrong because nobody has ever been able to proove that anything small sounded for the better; the contrary - it is deep-sh*t (and should be your situation as of now, no matter you like it very much).
So my approach is - and always has been the other way around : use that super machine which actually is not needed, with the notice that when it drives a 100 miles/hour it still is in 5 seconds at 200 miles/hour. This, while your PC barely gets at 100 at all.
And the more this strategy is put through, the better the sound is (which is also related to what can be done under the hood for processor cores etc.).
In the end it is the combination, like the 20++ core processor system only consumes 30Watts and that even with linear PSU.

You did try Minimized OS, right ? because it is all about that.
Maybe I should also ask about Unattended Playback because that is what I implicitly talked about (no GUI).

If I am all the way off, just tell me !
And of course don't hesitate in being creative and improve. It's all about that you know. So the text above is only trying to give you some context of the current situation,

7  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playing Games and more Secrecy / Re: Boost your Rig on: May 22, 2017, 08:19:11 am
Hi guys,

Just like you to know I am still here.
Everybody thanks sofar for "signing up". But ... it doesn't go fast enough. Possibly you could share this with members of your (battle etc.) group ?

I really like to make something of this, but need some real feedback of a small "mass" (the mentioned 50 or so). Only then we can know how to really improve.

Anyway I will be working on the special version on my side.
8  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 21, 2017, 06:07:10 pm
9  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: CPU Utilization on: May 21, 2017, 06:06:19 pm
Haha - Jonathan,

I regard 17% very hight because I don't see other than 0% at 720MHz.
But a Celeron is (indeed) very inefficient so I guess this will be right.

It can very well be that you have set Q3, Q4 and Q5 at 1, because that combination utilizes 100% of two processor cores. Another combination with "1" (but I forgot which - probably Q3 or Q5 - but only one of them now) implies 100% for one core.
This is all on purpose and even fake;
Reality will show with Q3,4,5 at 0.

Hey, well done !
10  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 17, 2017, 07:54:01 am
Jonathan, this is all normal but still works in combination with the switch I mentioned, which you apparently do not take into account, or which works against you with HQP regarding the understanding of matters. So yes, this is all outside of HQP but since you are using HQP which normal human beings can't even get going (except for me) ...

I want you to download XXHighEnd and use the KS: prefixed driver (HQP does not support Kerner Streaming). There's one additional parameter involved now (but in the end no different than in HQP) and this is the "Is NOS1" button which I want you to activate (red). Now put Sw#5 down and select Multi Channel 4.0 in the NOS Driver Control Panel.
Set the output sampling rate in XXHighEnd to 705600 or 758000 accordingly. Or lower is also allowed (try to avoid 44100/48000).
You will see that this normally works ... (and in one go instead of not-understandable silence from HQP).

Done ?
Then put up Sw#5, deactivate Is NOS1 (blue) and celect Stereo Reduced in the Control Panel. Now select the first L/R device. And, taking into account that you need to set the driver settings per that screenshot I referred to yesterday (I take it that you have done that anyway), you will see again that it works. That is, if the output sampling rate in XXHighEnd is now set to 352800/384000 max.

While this is the mode for HQP, do notice that you now just as well can use the KS: Prefixed driver again. So you can see what's happening. But this is what HQP can not do (you won't be able to select / see that driver in there).

Understand all ?
Then now start over with HQP which people without this guide (/topic) can't do anyway. Me neither. Well, I did in the end ... Happy
IOW don't blame yourself and hold on.


PS: And always keep on thinking about that Sw#5 because I have the hunch you maybe don't ...

11  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 16, 2017, 08:02:37 am
With "one wire" 384 (max), Sw#5 (the one the fartest away from you) must be Up. In NOS Driver Control Panel select Stereo Reduced.

With "dual wire" (705.6/768) Sw#5 must be Down. In NOS Driver Control Panel select Multichannel 4.0.

That should be it on the non-HQP side of things.

12  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 16, 2017, 12:22:01 am

This Advanced tab really is key. If you don't get that or have that, go back to basics first and use XXHighEnd and Kernel Streaming. There's really no issue other than apparently only me understanding what's happening with WASAPI and HQPlayer ... somehow. swoon haha

Drop ASIO because it is really not related and seriously won't work anyway. So that's the wrong track always ... yes

You will get it done !

13  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: NOS1a and HQPlayer on Win 10 on: May 15, 2017, 07:53:28 am

If you applied what's in this post and also do *not* use ASIO in the firts place, ... without more data points I can not tell.

Do you have the Driver Control Panel running ("Streaming is up and runnng" in the bottom line) and showing now errors ?

I suppose there's more questions to ask regarding the combination with the NAA, but personally I don't know anything about that.

14  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: Mani's NOS1 G3 on: May 14, 2017, 10:39:15 am
Hi Mani,

Of course I have been anxiously watching which direction this would go (maybe I haven't been the only one) and I am super glad that for you too it worked out.
I explicitly stayed silent, but now I can freely respond to a few things.

There is an unwavering 'solidity' to the sound that makes everything sound so right and natural. You don't know you don't have it in the non-G3... until you hear the G3.

Yes, and let's say that this is one great part of this hobby - you'll never know where it ends which probably is because you can't relate to real reality (unless you have Mark Knopfler etc. in the room).
There's two major "tuning" elements in my view; one which may take out further annoyances in certain types of music or recordings and one which makes things nore natural. The former is quite obvious although you will never know whether it can be solved until it happens and the latter you will never ever know in advance whether it ven can be solved.
In the end both may be the same thing (to solve) but I can tell you : it gets way difficut to improve by now.
... Or maybe not, because it is more and more easy to hear what's wrong and where to be ...

Instruments sound fuller, but interestingly, more dynamic too.

Well yes, and it is really quite easy to let it hang to one of these directions and have the balance all off. Difficult stuff.

Before, it was the leading edges of the instruments that gave the impression of dynamics, but now it's the body of the instrument too.

For me, personally, it has always been so that while all of you judged the NOS1 as possibly the most accurate D/A converter on earth, the sheer reason you could perceive this to begin with, was its leanness. Thus, obfuscate all with too much bass and you wouldn't be able to perceive the accuracy (say in the no-ringing of the higher frequencies). IOW, it could be quite fake, this accuracy.
And this now is behind us, because today there's no leanness whatsoever and the accuracy ony shows better than before (I'd say).

The Intona before the Phisolator totally kills the sound.

Well, this will be (or should be) similar to me trying the good old stock USB cable, and no sound coming from it at all any more (so to speak). This, while previously I perceived the Clairixa only as marginally better than the stock cable.
Moral : All is now so enormously better (whatever that exactly means) that all matters enormously more as well. Try another OS for fun ...

The G3 isn't an upgrade... it's a quantum leap IMO... but perhaps not an obvious one.

It actually is a completely new DAC but this is "able" to not express in each track (or album). I don't have the examples at hand, but some times I play something I did not play for a longer time with high expectations (justified to almost everything) and then it does not work out (sounds similar to 5 years back). So it also has to depend on the music styles you usually play. Now :

My horns drop off quickly below 40Hz, and I just resigned myself to the belief that they'd never be any good with dance music. But with the G3, they do a pretty good job.

In my view this is a good example of something people might not even be able to understand (what it is about). So, even for me (or maybe I am the good example) it is difficult to grasp.
Dance music ?
What's up with these Brits ?
NOPE, it is the other way around. I guess we all grew up with that at some (slightly older) stage. It worked in disco's. It worked at school parties. Maybe it even worked at your regular stereo. But it does not work in a fine system and it always bothered me somewhat. But hey, something which sounds like sh*t why bother.
Ehh ...
These days I'm having the best times with it and it is only that it is a bit difficult for me to find back because it is nothing I really ever kept on playing. But indeed it is so that now it works because the body is there to do it and the finesse in the highs is there to even let express drumming synths to something which is acceptable (not for all, but you'll get the idea).
Anyway it is quite hard to explain to those not experiencing it, how complete groups of albums (like all dance) suddenly start to work. And you know, this goes beyond new music to listen to, because often this is about an era of your life. And it just is back, suddenly ...

Thank you Mani !
15  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: After a while SQ degrades - how come ? what to do ? on: May 11, 2017, 08:59:04 am
Hi Nick,

O dear my ... you always come up with "quite interesting" things ...

If you can let this happen easily, maybe try 10586.0 instead of 14393.0 (or the other way around); to me it seems a typical OS thing. And I don't think others will have that easily too. But they can. I can ...

I coincidentally kind of "know" that I don't suffer from this, BUT this experience is not from 14393.0. I am not even sure from when it is, but it should be 10586.0. So, I too observed such a meter (with btw very similar results - 29-30W) and I never saw that happening.
With the Stealth I would see it happening, because if indeed the consumption would increase as you describe, the thermal protection would kick in and a bright led shows it (all Stealth owners have this the same). And this exactly never happened ... (also not with 14393.0).

What you should do is let TaskManager run and observe the CPU core graphs (per logical core). From there you will easily see how more cpu usage implies more wattage - also during playing. IIRC this works with 14393.0 all over and with 10586.0 it does not work with Q3,4,5 = 1 (TaskManager wil be frozen).

Maybe we can relate this to Mani's hot power supply (Teradak) which occurred once, or maybe you even have that exact one ...

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