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13786  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your questions about the PC -> DAC route / Re: TC Konnekt 8 on: December 12, 2008, 11:50:34 pm
Hahahaha, strange ... I can't read it either. But I didn't sign up there.

Anway, so may people having problems as it seems. Try to judge yourself. I never tested that device apart from trying the driver (which looked good to me btw).
13787  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 12, 2008, 11:47:01 pm
Hehe Leif, looked at the USPS tracks this morning, but mine seems not even has sent off yet !
So keep going, you have 6 days left at least !
13788  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Digital Volume Control on: December 12, 2008, 02:09:47 am
... which is different from molesting the data which every even 48bit internal processing does, once it has to end up in a 16 bit DAC again ...

secret
13789  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 11, 2008, 01:47:13 pm
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or else weŽll have to wait for the Buffalo firewire I2S bus

I don't know where you got that from (hence you imply that this is coming, and I never read about it Happy) but ...

I was working on that ?!  E.g. :

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- S/PDIF connected, and due : directly Firewire connected without soundcard into I2S;

Ah, but maybe you just were talking about "my" solution ? (from over at Twisted Pear)
Well, *that* specific solution won't get to work. But there will be another one ...


Hmm ... we might have more in common than you can see now ...
Happy Happy
13790  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / 0.9w-4 ... hmm ... on: December 11, 2008, 12:17:14 pm
Background : V6a vs. W3 SQ

Yesterday I rather extensively A-B'd 0.9w-4 with 0.9v-7 (so not with 0.9w-3 !), and I came to the conclusion that 0.9v-7 is better.

Better might be subjective, and I didn't find it was a big difference *and* the main difference I heard was "horn distortion" at a certain frequency of a snare drum. This hardly can be called an absolute anomaly (because horns are horns Happy) but for me 0.9v-7 worked out for the better anyway.
Besides this I saw a very small widening (of stage) of very very tiny fragile sounds and a feeling of a more organic sound.

Because of my new DAC it is still difficult for me to judge in absolute sense (because my mind works in a relative fashion), but I will test further tonight.


The above is not to placebo you with data or anything, but to maybe warn you to not to spend too much time at upgrading to 0.9w4 and be disappointed afterall. But on the other hand : please keep in mind that I did not compare to 0.9w-3 !!
But if you downloaded 0.9w-4 already anyway, please let me now what your think !

Peter
13791  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 11, 2008, 11:54:11 am
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if you e.g. had minimonitors Happy,that would be a useless statement to me

Of course not, that would be extraordinaire ! whistle

Let me first try to explain that good deep bass hardly is related to the surface of the bass drivers' diaphragm. Oh, it might, but it can hardly make a difference in the living room. The only thing what matters IMO is less distortion with more drivers, just because their excursion doesn't need to be so high per driver.
Btw I tell this, because I have in mind that you have those double BD15 red bass cabinets ... but maybe I'm wrong. And I only want to express : I just cannot for te life of me imagine ANY "bass setup" be better than mine ... with which I only want to say : a tad smaller (than a double BD 15) is way enough ...
But theoretically, of course, more will be better, but IMHO merely in the area of less distortion at high output.
My room is 290m3 and my listening level is always around 100dB @ 4 meters. Careful here, because I use the BD-15 Ultra with Orphean, hence rather directional, and @1m this is only 110 or so.
The port of the BD-15 Ultra is closed.

Btw, maybe hard to imagine, but with the better control of the bass the excursion gets less and the output more. Think of a straight 30Hz tone, making expand and distract the diaphragm 30 times per second, displacing the amount of air the surface of the diaphragm incurs for. Now make this 10 Hz because of improper control, but keep in mind it should be 30. Theoretically the excursion must be 3 times more now, and of course it will be fumbling bass.

Ok, this lot is driven by 4 33W GainClones, and mentioned 100dB SPL is at -30dB and 1.5V DAC output (no preamp).

Each channel bears a SVS PB12+ 550W active subwoofer capable of 12Hz driven by the LS output of the bass amp, and customly crossed at 40Hz (the BD15 goes straight to 27Hz).
Since I closed all the ports, output will drop off under approx. 16Hz (16 still works perfectly, which I can tell because it is the resonance frequency of the doors surrounding the living room -> they ramble).

I can tell you, the low B of a 5 string electric bass, when played somewhat more profoundly, keeps on vibrating on your stomache, giving the unary feeling I talked about earlier, just because that 60Hz (or whatever it is) is so powerful (at each vibration !).

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and me going to Florida the 19th , I wonŽt build it until early jan.

I'm afraid I will be earlier then (expect it any day now). Of course I will again express my honest judgement about it.

Peter
13792  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Getting Error Message on: December 11, 2008, 09:27:33 am
Well, nothing wrong with this.


Tonight I will try to let things go wrong myself as well. But if you, in the mean time, see a pattern in which go right and which go wrong, please let me know !

Peter
13793  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Getting Error Message on: December 10, 2008, 04:59:47 pm
Ok. Can you show me the contents of such a specific folder ? (hence can you make a screen copy of it, and post it as an attachment here, which you can do under "Additional Options" at the bottom when posting ?)
13794  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your questions about the PC -> DAC route / Re: TC Konnekt 8 on: December 10, 2008, 10:04:11 am
Yes, I found it the other day as well. But please be careful and read the forums before you buy such a thing (http://forum.tcelectronic.com/search.php?search_id=1272165967).

I would think twice. yes
13795  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Getting Error Message on: December 10, 2008, 09:44:41 am
I think I recognize this as something I do wrong in the program when first the name of a .CUE file is "wrong";

Please go to the folder where you have such an album that produces the error, and check for the large .WAV file, and look for the exact same name of the .CUE file. Thus
Jazz at the Pawnshop 1.WAV
Jazz at the Pawnshop 1.CUE

and nothing else !
Take care that you can see the exntensions (which is a Windows Explorer setting) otherwise
Jazz at the Pawnshop 1.WAV.WAV
shows as
Jazz at the Pawnshop 1.WAV
and although the first will play allright, the .CUE file does not comply to the "equality" rule above. This will still be named
Jazz at the Pawnshop 1.CUE

Also take into account that Cue files are not supported for FLAC. So, if you have a large FLAC file, it must be converted to WAV, or split into the individual (track) files.

Let me know whether this helped.
Peter
13796  Ultimate Audio Playback / Playback Tweaks and Source related subjects / Re: My SSD install on: December 09, 2008, 12:36:28 am
http://www.ocztechnology.com/images/Configuring-and-Setting-Up-SSDs.pdf

Which tells about it all, and with the most important message that Vista SP0 is not suitable.
Time for me to move to SP1 ...

... which I did a while ago now, and I can't say it got any better because of that.
Unexpected little "stalls" seem to have gone, but "minute long" stalls got in place of that.
Besides that, things seem to become more and more slow, and while converting a FLAC album can go in 10-15 seconds, this now merely takes 3-4 minutes. This is most clear when the last two tracks (at first written in cache presumeably) may take well over 3 minutes to complete writing to the SSD (hence, this is when XXHighEnd disappeared, and *then* the writing still takes place for 3-4 minutes).
Hard reboot (power off) has become more of a habit, and I don't recall this from SP0 and/or the normal spinning disk.

Obtaining the complete library of albums (well over 10,000) is still a few seconds work, but now there's something like waking up the SSD (10-15 seconds) after a loinger time of no access, which I didn't see before. This by itself may be a good sign btw.

But I don't trust this all ...
13797  Ultimate Audio Playback / Download Area and Release Notes / XXHighEnd Model 0.9w-4 (SQ change and some more things) on: December 09, 2008, 12:21:50 am
Indeed "SQ change" for Engine#3, without any judgement about better or worse. Better intended of course !

  • Since questions were expressed on the Sound Quality of 0.9w-3 vs. 0.9v-6a / 0.9v-7 and attempt has been made to change things back for the better. Please note this goes without judgement (at all) from your humble developer, since too many hardware changes were applied to his own playback system, and any judgement of him is doubtful the least.

  • Where 0.9w-3 allowed for spliiting large files into smaller pieces (Settings Area - Split file at size), at the boundaries of the file parts "ticks" could emerge. Many days of search for the culprit solved this now.

  • In the same errorneous area, 24 bit files could stop playing (including an error given by XXEngine3). Solved too.

  • Issue left : At some stage a track may play for the second time, and after that playback stops as if the Playlist has been finished.

  • Above the Volume Slider now the digital volume level is visible at all times.

  • Using the "Favorites form" (click on the small "F" button which is visible at the bottom when the Library Area is active) now does *not* incur for Search right after clicking a Favorites link; The Search button now has to be clicked in order to scan the chosen Favorite folder.
    Besides this seems more intuitive, it also allows for the Date Search (the little "D" button in that same area) to be applied right after a Favorites folder has been chosen, instead of waiting for the unnessary implied Search for all in the folder from before.

  • It was found that XXEngine3 quit itself in an illegal fashion when a Playlist had been finished playing. This caused the WASAPI sound device to be illegally shut down, with the consequence of Vista not being able to go into Sleep Mode.
    Most probably this also caused the sound system as a whole to more or less fail for other playback means. This is to be tested by those with the appropriate experience on this matter, please.

13798  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: After XX PC won't go to sleep anymore, until reboot on: December 08, 2008, 11:25:54 pm
Andrey, you are right !!

What I never saw was that the thread loading the tracks had become leading in determining whether playback has to end, and that this thread initiated a (startup of XXHighEnd and) shutdown of XXEngine3, that thread never being able to close down WASAPI objects properly. At the time I created this I never saw the difference, and later I never thought of this anymore. So indeed XXEngine3 can quit at two places, one of them being from within that thread, which just isn't allowed. I just solved that.

Another kind of problem is, that nowadays some 100 of situations exists that a quit is initiated from within that thread, althouh these are all error situations (except for playback has to stop because end of Playlist). I can theoretically solve them all the same, but I will be unable to test them. Most of them are theoretical situations anyway, but either way they just cannot be tested. And, because the only normal way which is there (and which is the one I just solved) has a return which is under my control, while all of the others may just jump out of the blue, I think I can do nothing else than leave those others as they are. They *are* real error situations (like format not supported), and in most (of not all) of cases, WASAPI won't be initiated anyway.

Andrey, good job !!
Peter
13799  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: After XX PC won't go to sleep anymore, until reboot on: December 08, 2008, 07:43:09 pm
Ok, so there must be a difference between a Playlist ending by itself on one side, and let XXHighEnd indirectly stop XXEngine3 on the other.

Thank you Andrey, I will look into this immediately ! (but there should be no difference ...)
13800  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: World's first NOS 24/192 filterless DAC ? on: December 07, 2008, 11:53:20 am
Ok, after a week of playing with the DAC (I still don't think is is burned in sufficiently), I want to express some feelings about it :

I think I said it before : For a longer time I regard my own system as a whole to be the best I ever heard. Of course this doesn't say much, and a chance exists that many of you just have it better. Only statistics of me being around at other places tell that the chance is little.
Small conclusion : whether or not I have this "best system" or not, it should be better than average, and this is my reference.

The above was with my old 18/96 nos DAC.

Now, with the 24/192 in NOS non filterless mode, and if I had to apply a mathematical figure to it, I'd say it is 10 times better. Whoops, that's a lot.

I don't think that I, right now, can find commonly known wordings for it. I mean, there's nothing like spatiousness, wider stage, instrument positioning. That is, I don't recognize this or can't as off yet. You could also say : this was good already before, and improvements must be in other areas (at talking about "10 times better" Happy). But I'll try a few expressions as far as I can recognize them;

First of all, I think I can now at last hear the benefits of higher sample rate recordings. Remember, I could not do this before because of lacking bits 18 only) at 96Khz, and not being able to play 192Khz at all. Of course I could use my oversampling sigma delta (Fireface), but this is apples and oranges to begin with, and btw nothing good at all. So :
There appears to be a phenomenon to my judgement, which is related to being able to differentiate in voices singing in parallel. Remember, I'm talking about the higher samplerates, and how to hear they are better.
It doesn't matter where I'm in the room, as soon as background voices (male or female) start to sing, you can kind of count with how many they are. I don't talk about where they are, but with how many. So, a matter of being able to hear person A, B and C separately.
Maybe this is nothing new (for you), but so far I couldn't manage to find the absolute difference because of the apples and oranges thing.
In other areas I don't perceive a difference. Or not yet.

Back to normal 44100 playback;

The longer I play with the DAC, and the better album examples I can find for it, the more amazing the bass becomes. I have no words for it, but the sheer difference of hearing beautiful bass before (which already was a tough job for me, and is much related to XXHighEnd versions), with complete life-like basses from now ... I can't express it differently. I think earlier I already talked about the ability to hear the wood of a bass, but right now I'd say that someone with knowledge should easily be able to tell the "manufacturer" of the bass instrument. I could also say : before I was very happy when I could hear the strings of low bass vibrate (good resolution in that area), but now each (double) bass and cello just sound different. Give me a few months and I will be able to tell the artist by listening to the bass only ! (and I don't mean the means of how it's played, just the sound of it).

There are also strange things going on;
My last tweak being the SSD with the OS on it, already brought the clear vibration of strings being pulled too loudly. So, the metal itself makes the sound in this case, and while this is a very profound sound (dzziinnggg) I never heard it before from a speaker. I checked it with others to be sure, but it really is so. Why ? I'm puzzled, just because the sound is so profound, and by the way so very naturally. But, I never missed it before, so how the hell could I tell those strings were pulled so hard on the specific recordings ?
Now, with this DAC, it appears that it will be very hard for those musicians *not* to pull those strings too hard. They just do, and they do it always. Man man man, I get tears in my eyes at writing this, because it is really a complete new dimension in audio playback.
I don't care anymore whether there's a stupid clarinet showing off as often with jazz albums, it's the bass man (and often woman) making the sound !

A few days ago I bumped into James Cotton and his album "Deep in The Blues", and besides I seem to be able to clearly hear he is playing an acoustic bass guitar throughout the album, he is playing that guitar "toggling" (5 individual fingers) like a spanish guitar would be played without chords. But now imagine the deep sound of a bass guitar, and that those fast individual bass notes just work out as intended (instead of a smeared bassy sound). Man man man.

I think I said earlier that everything seems to be supported by bass. This is literal;
This works so much throughout, that it merely looks like an anomaly. I kept on paying attention to it though, and the only conclusion I can draw is that - like the wood from the bass - it is the recording room/space I am hearing. Think of a room and bass measurement, and the knowlegde that the room adds bass to your sub woofer, just like the cabinet the bass driver is in does. Now I hear the same throughout, and this wasn't there before *at all*. It is strange though, because you are not used to it. Even voices can express some sub low which sure can't come from the voice itself, but with some hall and reverberation it just sounds natural.
Besides this general phenomenon, I experienced quite some times the whole house started rambling because of sub low output, and this is on recordings I never heard it before.
Added to this that I have a couple of tracks to trim the bass vs. sub woofer output where the subwoofer output should stay normal in all cases, these recordings do not exhibit more sub woofer output. To me this is the most strange, but proves all is still right, and it is not just "more bass output". It merely looks like slow waves with not too much amplitude just being able to express now, where they were killed before.

Where I was keen before on having just directional bass output - knowing that much of that is caused by higher frequencies around that bass fooling you - this is now just "completely directional". And this is the most interesting, because if you now can hear where the man playing the bass really is, or what about two of them, this is just again another dimension. But keep in mind what I said above : when the metal of the strings becomes audible, this is the base of the "guideance" of the directional bass !

About my stories about standing waves disappearing when things are all right : this again vastly improved. But, know in a very understandable way;
As a strange example I want to mention Madonna with the ever accompanying synth bass. I used to know this as "bass" of which was audible it is a synth. Strangely enough now this isn't so much of "bass" as such anymore. The synth now expresses it's short pulsed output, and where things got smeared before, it's now just the pulses you are hearing, and the deep sunding coming from it disappears.

Read the latter again; it is contradictionary to all the other phenomena around the bass. Everywhere we have more bass, and here we have less ?
Well, in fact I just explained it. The waves are less smeared, and the individual vibes are expressed all over, and now the "individual vibes" and the standing waves come into play : the more the vibes can be expressed individually, the less they interact in space, the less anomalies come from that.
That in the mean time bass output itself is "higher" (read : better) is just another phenomenon I think, caused by the dedicated PSU. So, the better bass output seems PSU related, and the better accuracy is DAC related (though the PSU will enable to follow the accuracy).

Talking about accuracy, well, this expresses all over. So, now we're up to the higher frequency regions, and may it be "speed" (slew rate of the DAC) or the better translation of it because of the PSU, there is detail which ... well ... can't be expressed properly either.
This too is strange, because normally I would be able to give examples, talk about hi-hats and cymbals etc., but somehow here too other definitions are needed. I don't think hi-hats and cymbals etc. are better. I do think brushes are far better and it might be the only thing I could reason out why. The other things express in things which can't be told. Not by me, not yet;
Yello is always my example whether the NOS principle acts as intended (because synthesizers in an interesting fashion only). One can't talk about synthesizers and how they should behave and all. One *can* say though, that many more interesting sounds were heard, and the better music reproduction becomes, the more value those two guys put into their music. Might it be some sub low intended (!) reverberation, or a dazzling sound sweeping from left to right, neither is audible when the playback system isn't up to it.
My point is merely that these gagdets (when audible to start with) have less or more fragility. With synthesizers I think you can say that - besides things being audible or not - it is the fragility with which the sounds are expressed, that matter. Just think about some triangle and saw tooth waves interacting with eachother, and what might come of it. You can bet though that the Mini Moog guys from the early days, as well as the modern synth people from today, try to create interesting sounds, as long as they don't try to emulate violins. If you are not into synthesizers I am sure that this is because you never obtained the so much interesting intended sounds coming from them. Try Momita (uhhm, emulating volins) and combine classical with synthesizers, but in the mean time try to imagine how in the world the guy was able to create all those orchestra sounds from his synthesizers, all to be programmed right from the base.
But don't try your PC speakers ...

Lastly for now something commonly known, but happening here just the same :
Look at the picture below. For me this doesn't invite much to sit down and listen to it. Of course I tried, but she sings exactly as she looks like there. Yesterday - at testing various hires albums - I had to try her too (this is 24/88K2). Well ... since I am a man and thus can't cry I, didn't. But it was very hard to keep the tears inside. Whether it is the superbly played bass or just she herself, I imagined a woman with a history all laid in her songs on this album. Before it came to me as some shattering around, but now it just worked (as intended I suppose).
As said, a commonly known phenomenon, but for me in this case a radical change.
Of course, when the bass is not there (as it wasn't before) the "technical" fun has gone already. So, wanting to listen to the next track for the bass already, makes you dive into this album more than before. But still ...


Enough said for now. As you can see I don't have much to talk about, except for that bass. I guess it is too overwhelming to be ready for other merits at this moment. Later ...

Peter
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