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14686  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds on: February 19, 2008, 01:58:51 am
And Andrey,

Also, please tell me :
With what DAC do you have this bad sensation ? and what are your settings according to "DAC is" and "DAC needs" ? Also, at which Volume setting ?
I couldn't derive this from your post ... If it's the -0dB setting as you told in the other topic, I don't understand (yet Happy). In that case (-0dB), please try to help me with what could have happened.
14687  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds on: February 19, 2008, 01:45:35 am
I have to insist, that I really feel physical discomfort with this new sound. As if something is wrong in digital domain.
Or a bad jitter.

Okay Andrey, thank a bunch !
Now I understand your post here : Volume and bit perfect setting ?
You suffer from a bad case of harmonic distortion ...

I recognize now what you mean, and what may appear to be good sound ... is not. Not for you anyway.
Can you tell me please : Can you cope with nos-DACs ?

Anyway, I will build in dither and then let's see again. I hope to do it tomorrow (Tuesday).

Peter
14688  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds on: February 19, 2008, 01:38:40 am
wish me luck, heh.

Well, Good luck then !

...

Still alive ?  Happy
14689  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Windows 2008 and Vista SP1 - working for anyone? on: February 19, 2008, 01:30:56 am
And what about this one ?
14690  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Windows 2008 and Vista SP1 - working for anyone? on: February 18, 2008, 05:41:17 pm
Hi Brent,

Below is your Debug version. Save your current XXHighEnd.exe, put the .exx in your current XX directory and rename it to .exe.

After pressing Play it can bring you messages between a-z.
Please write down the sequence that's presented to you and let it know.


Cheers,
Peter
14691  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: I can't get id of my TVC ... now what ? on: February 18, 2008, 05:17:34 pm
Hi Leif,

Well ... firstly stuff like 96/24 is supported in 9.0u-a1. But I guess you saw the Release Notes. Happy
Then, in theory yes. You should apply the sequence as explained in the Release Notes, ending with the TVC at Max volume, the volume now controlled by XX. Don't think this is worse for theories, because my "other" theories tell it is just better. BUT :

Chances are high that you find your TVC at max too noisy (and then because of the TVC). If that is so ... too bad.
But try it !

Peter
14692  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds on: February 18, 2008, 03:52:49 pm
Ah ... ok. No, I do nothing of the kind. Also I don't recognize the part "loud sound lower". I guess that you think it does because the lower parts seem to express ? Happy So no, all levels express similarly. Well, to my ears. Wink
14693  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Volume and bit perfect setting ? on: February 18, 2008, 03:48:48 pm
Hahaha, yes, and with my Fireface and DAC behind it, it does exactly what you described before.
(And I found it sounding superbad, but that's another matter Happy)
14694  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds on: February 18, 2008, 03:24:23 pm
... which has what audible properties ? (I just don't know ...)
14695  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Volume and bit perfect setting ? on: February 18, 2008, 03:22:32 pm
Andrey,

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If I set its speakers interface as a default device in Vista Then I see XX engine 3 in the Vista Mixer, The Vista master volume affects the volume of the music.

Ok, so far I never saw (or heard of) the situation that loudspeakers connected to a soundcard could incur for "Exclusive Mode" (whatever that exactly is in this stage of "investigation").
Can you confirm dat this worked the same in 0.9t ?
Also, I assume you don't get any messages at the start of Playback ?

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How can record what is coming out to compare to the source?
This is a quite undoable task, but which I solved for myself about a year ago by means of two Fireface devices. This is inherent to how Vista works and determines when to apply the proper Exclusive Mode. This is similar to connecting a DTS receiver and that just "proving" bit perfectness, which for Vista says NOTHING.
Currently I don't have the answer anymore, and it took me several days to set it up and prove it back then.

Lastly for now, do note that the situation exists that no volume amplitude information (the green bar) shows, BUT you can still switch off the volume with the bottom button (a red circle appears then). I never tested the true merits of that situation, but it sure is fishy. By me proven bit perfect situations can never switch off the volume.

Anyway if you can influence the volume with the master volume slider, I'll bet it's not bit perfect.

So far for now. Sorry ...
Peter

14696  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: + - Button on: February 18, 2008, 01:46:49 pm
Gooood idea. More convenient. More safe.
Happy
14697  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: How .9u Sounds - but what is it we perceive ? on: February 18, 2008, 01:45:49 pm
Hey Gerard,

As long as we both are not the only ones experiencing it like this, I guess it is a not before discovered phenomenon. It should be in the league of "getting into the music" (which everybody understands) but more vague to understand when you never had the experience.
Btw, it is not something I created explicitly ... the only thing I did was making something more 1:1 again (hahaha, that helps for explanations).

Now how to call it ? the level of ... what ? How to describe it to those who never experienced it ...

Clarity sure is not it. I know of a "super clarity" system that just implies for the opposite : uneasyness. Shut off please !
All the technical properties it has (like clarity is one of them) do not decribe this total feeling. Similair to the (unknown !) properties that would describe/create "getting into the music".

You, I think, could say that it has a degree of "seeing the players". At least that is a feeling that comes over me at listening to horns, violins and voices. This by itself seems to be created by a means of "tightness" (hard to describe for me in english) like a super-stable voice. You can feel that things match up in air ... phase related. A bit similiar to a two-wat loudspeaker system where the bass and the mid/high can match or not. Coherent.
But this again all doesn't describe the sensation. It's still properties only (which not necessarily give the sensation, I'm sure).

"Sensation" itself might be in the area ...
But this may be relative to "less -" or "no sensation". Mind you, here too -similar to getting into the music- it looks like there's no gradation. So, although I can't be sure, it's there or it's not.
Spooky ...

Presentness. Yeah, somehow you can describe it like this, with the "not being present" as the positive side. But, this doesn't fit the directness everything expresses. So it's confusing.
That "presentness" is inconsistent with itself (as described) is an interesting matter ...

Gerard, you said the room is separated from the music now. This one didn't occur to me, but I think you are right. How ? what actually happens then ?
Maybe this "room separation level" is something to work with. But then I'd first have to listen and pay explicitly attention to that phenomenon.

Possibly this is not a separation from the room, but a separation from everything. I mean, it already occurred to me (and I really wondered) why I was closely listening to the music quality itself, french fries boiling in oil making a havy noise right behind me, the cooking hood at full power ditto ... and I found myself rathert explicitly thinking "I don't care !". Normally I wouldn't even start to sit down and listen seriously. So ...

... Concentration level. Ah, that seems a good one ! And mind you, it already exists in our world of audio. Maybe it's not very well defined and spoken of, but I think we all know about *or* your attention is with the music *or* you find yourself thinking of something else while you should have payed attention to such and so, and now the moment has passed.

Interestingly enough it -then- is this same concentration level that allows you to NOT pay attention to the music. To me this is almost more strange than being able to concentrate on the music. Like I told about it in the previous post ... typing stuff like this and during such mind setting there is just *no way* I heard music. Room separation, subject separation, concentration separation.

Officially it wouldn't help, but let me repeat at this stage that I told about CD Playback always having been wrong as I see it. So now I do it right. Just right, that's all.

Might this be similar now to the natural realism of you being in a room with 30 people, two people opposite of you with a table in between and you talking to those people, while right behind you -closer than the people you talk to- other people are talking, and you are not disturbed by that at all ? you are able to concentrate on the people you talk to. The others talk louder, but actually you don't hear them. You hear the people you talk to.
Now compare the same situation, but music plays. I think we all know, it doesn't need to be loud at all to disturb. Why ? is this because it is so much unnatural that our brain can't get it out of the way ?
Note that I don't have the experience yet of playing music at this birthday party, but that I feel that it won't harm anymore.

If I'm on the right track, is "naturalness" a property ? Ok, it could (or should !) but as an ICTer I say this is an inheritent and composed property of many other properties. So, useless. Naturalness could be way to describe the sensation though, but on the other hand ... what defines naturalness then. Me ? nope. We rather need that property that defines naturallness. Like "concentration level" is prone to it (I think).

There might be other properties that allow for more easy comparison (which "concentration level" does not, like "getting into the music" does not) and this seems to be an explicitly added warmth to instruments;
If you listen closely, you can sense that harmonics are (re)created in air. I talked about this (elsewhere) maybe one year ago already, and it occurred at certain pre-Engine3 versions. What I mean is, that harmonics of an instrument need not to be in the recorded data, in order to let the base tone characteristics recreate that harmonics anyway. I'm not sure whether it is *this* that creates the sound as of now ...

What I hear in really everything is a perfect added sound that came from under - upwards (in dutch : van onder uit). Like base tones were lacking, and *those* are added now. Can this be ? hardly. It more looks like the proof that undertones actually do exist and that *those* are able to be profound now (similar to just everything is more profound). Whether they are in the recorded data or are recreated in air ... I don't know at this time.

Ok, I stop here for now, because I tend to change my own subject.

Concentration level. rofl

14698  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Volume and bit perfect setting ? on: February 18, 2008, 10:03:53 am
Yes, at -0dB the output is bit perfect. Also the "volume" is not in the way/path then. So the code for "no volume control" is dedicated to that.

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When I set it to 0db I have that sensation which I always have if a volume is changed in a digital domain.

So this is not consistent with reality then. no Or did you perhaps say something you did not want to say ? (because it looks a bit confusing to me).

Btw, only for 44.1/16 the code is unchanged. This means that the "DAC needs" buttons *must* remain unchecked.
14699  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Can't play 96/24 with M-Audio -- ISSUE IS RESOLVED on: February 18, 2008, 07:19:58 am
Hehe Edward ... I think it's okay. Remember, at first (0.9u-0) it really *was* wrong. You told it ...

So, thank you. Happy
14700  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Can't play 96/24 with M-Audio Audiophile USB (AK4528 DAC) on: February 18, 2008, 01:04:18 am
Edward,

Could you please try at least one other track ...
It looks like the "file length" immediately tells the file has been played (hence it indicates the length wrongly). Or try several 96/24 files in the Playlist.
I see no other explanation (at this time sleeping).
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