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286  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: dedicated mains earth on: February 18, 2016, 10:38:39 am

Maybe we must "investigate" what the leakage atually is. I mean, I only copy words from others when I "claim" that Ethernet is isolated (knowing that transformers exist at the end points). But for how much current ? really no idea (easy to find out I suppose).
I also don't think that Ethernet was invented for its isolation behavior. It just is so (or ?). And it thus will also be "to some degree" I'd say.


If we are in the scenario that you suggest (and I am in at the moment) where I have a dedicated low impedance audio only mains line that is separate to the rest of the house, and we are running network cable from those two/three or more reasonably unique lines there could quite easily I imagine become a significant difference in ground potential across the length of an ethernet cable from the Music Server to the AudioPC.

So if we have USB properly isolated...ethernet properly isolated...power properly isolated (LPS) then there is not really too much more isolation work to do other than obsessive compulsive amongst us to attack RFI.

At least that is how I am thinking.  I do not know enough to have any definitive answers.
287  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: dedicated mains earth on: February 18, 2016, 10:31:06 am

But Peter, I have a question for you: why have the audio PC on the audio ring? Why not have it on the music server ring? The Intona gives galvanic isolation, and now no need to worry about using a linear PSU for the audio PC.


Hi Mani,

You are the guy that can test this by reinstalling the standard ATX SMPS into your AudioPC.  I can't test it just yet but wheels are in motion for my ATX LPS...I have a custom case being cut this week in which to stuff it all and once that is done I will be able to test the ATX Controller PCB and then all manner of LPS scenarios.

But in the meantime, if you had some spare time, perhaps see if your AudioPC less LPS still performs at the same level.

Cheers,

Anthony
288  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: dedicated mains earth on: February 18, 2016, 09:25:09 am
Mind you, while the two PC's (Music Server PC and Audio PC) are connected by means of Ethernet, this is a galvanically isolated connection.

Hi Peter,

I do wonder just how effective the standard ethernet connection is at separating potentials.  In medicine "Network Isolators" are used to guarantee that a voltage potential does not build up between medical and non-medical components.   From Wikipedia:

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A specific hazard stems from possible differences in ground potentials between network components, which when not properly isolated can result in a leakage current that can flow through the patient, which is dangerous, and potentially lethal. Such voltage differences can also arise through incorrect installation and wiring of network systems, electrical shorting within damaged cables and cabling, or shorting between damaged network cables and other voltage sources.

Network isolators work to remove this hazard, by electrically disconnecting medical devices from a network. Isolators may be used as network accessories, built into medical devices, or installed within a medical network system. Networks isolators should be installed as close as possible to the medical device in question.

An example of such a connector is here.  Can you see any application for these in our specific situation?  Perhaps the the next step of isolating the AudioPC entirely from the outside world?

Regards,

Anthony
289  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: OS preference for Music Server on: February 16, 2016, 09:19:52 am

3930 (or its newer variant for LGA2011, 4930) is a few years old indeed. What LGA2011-3 brings is 4 lane memory (was 3). So, useful, but required for totally nothing that I can see (possibly the CPU can run at a lower frequency now, but I don't know how to make it lower than I can at this moment (230MHz). The new 6900 brings nothing more that I can see. 6950 brings two more cores, so can be useful indeed. But mind the $. And don't forget xeon already does the same and way more (for way more $).


As you know, I have Pete's XXHE PC here with the 3930K (I assume) and I have stripped it of non-essential hardware and added the Silverstone, RAM-OS, BIOS mods, fan mods etc. to get it identical to my PC but with the i7 instead of my Xeon cpu.

I have not done any proper listening to compare, and I will do soon, but first impressions are that the Xeon sounds better.  Not sure why...larger caches...more cores...blind luck...placebo, but those are my impressions whilst setting up the hardware.

290  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: OS preference for Music Server on: February 16, 2016, 09:11:03 am
Hi Dave,

The real client-server thing goes like this :

I am on the Audio PC which is playing music, then I think "oh wait, I want to look for more Ray Brown's" and next I hand a command to the Server to sort out what's all available - that Server being connected to the Internet while the Audio PC surely is not, and the Server calling me (the Audio PC) back with the results. Nothing disturbed the Audio PC here, except for a few bytes the Audio PC sent out with the command and the few bytes the result occupies as was asynchronously returned by the Server (the result actually only messaging that things are ready to look at on the Server('s, hey, disk).
What next happens is that I choose for Albums to be prepared out of that result list which thus resides on the Server like all resides there, and after that command is handed out it may be after 5 minutes that I'm called back with an "All ready !". Or after 20 seconds that Album A is ready to be played; it is available like all else on the server.

Now, besides we can now see a real reason for a client (Audio PC) and a server (Music Server PC) to exist, we can also see some additional "tutorial", because it requires a few more Settings to set. Example below (field at the bottom). And with some TCP knowledge you can see that the communication is setup "internally" just the same, as 127.0.0.1 is the Local Address. So the Client-Server principle has been set up for in-PC processes and tasks just the same.

Technically this is all working already, including a nice protocol. It is only yesterday that I started working on the first real functionality for it, which indeed is Tidal. So in XXHighEnd 2.06 this will be there.

It is my intention that working exclusively from a Tablet, all can be done in integrated fashion. That some tasks are performed on the Music Server PC you will not notice. It is like you performed them on the Audio PC and that the Audio PC under the hood is dealing with them. But instead the Music Server PC does and Audio Quality remains 100% untouched, playing meanwhile).

Peter


Peter, this all sounds quite nice and very welcome.  

From a "whole system" point of view I would have thought that the best thing to do would be to do all of the Tidal searching and file manipulation from the Server and leave the AudioPC to do not much at all, not even RDP into it.  I do not understand how you can be RDP'd from your tablet into the AudioPC and be searching Tidal from there while music is playing in Unattended...I thought only one RDP session could be active at a time.  Are you sending the Tidal search data from the Server to the AudioPC in realtime, while the music is playing?  On paper the better way would be to do all the work on the Server and just have a slimmed down version of XXHE on the AudioPC that grabs the music files as needed and accepts play/stop/pause/volume/etc. commands from the Server.

Does this make any sense?

Cheers,

Anthony  

EDIT:  I think I understand "how" you are doing the Tidal stuff mechanically, but not really "why" you are doing it that way
291  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Tidal classical search on: February 15, 2016, 11:09:13 am
Thanks Peter.  I will try XXHE 2.05.
292  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Tidal classical search on: February 15, 2016, 02:25:26 am
Hi Peter,

On my Music Server I have XXHE 2.04c running, and the Tidal searches seem to work well with popular music but the classical searches are not working.

For example, if I type "Anton Bruckner" or "Edward Elgar" or "Gustav Mahler" into the search I end up with an error message "Error (1) in forming Tidal Path...Check Naming Scheme in Settings (Data Location section).  Also see the Search Root field at the bottom which can be 'wrong'".  Those searches work just fine in Tidal itself.

Both of the locations in the error message seem correct, and if I then type in a search for non-classical music everything works just fine.

Of course, I am typing in composers, not artists, so perhaps the problem lies there...and with the Naming Scheme.

Cheers,

Anthony
293  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Killing me softly on: February 13, 2016, 10:35:12 pm
The sound of the tape hiss (I assume that is what the sound is) is now separated from the backing vocals.  I think that is a major reason why it sounds so different to me now...the vocalists are clearly their own entities and not flavoured by the hiss.

That is my theory.
294  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Killing me softly on: February 13, 2016, 03:21:06 pm
Hi Peter,

Do you remember when w8 was being fleshed out in XXHE and one of the tracks that was highlighting changes due to different settings was Roberta Flack "Killing Me Softly With His Song"?  I remember those reverberant backings changing all over the place and I thought at that time that we eventually settled on something that gave some pretty good results.  At that time I listened to it a lot and have strong memories of no matter what changes were made it never quite sounded right.

Have you played it lately?  I played it today and was completely blown away at how different and ...right... it all sounds now with the MusicPC >> direct ethernet connection >> AudioPC/RAM-OS>> Intona.

Flabbergasted...


Thank-you.


Cheers,

Anthony
295  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: Barbone Intona... on: February 05, 2016, 12:33:58 pm
... not built-in yet using a standard cable from PC to Intona and Clarixa to the NOS1b for the moment.

Counting errors the other way around and counting nothing now.

Plans are to built this Barebone Intona (just the PCB without plastic enclosure) into the PC directly and soldered to the USB input directly and use the output with a single cable towards the DAC.

I will place the PCB inside the PC first (with cables connected) to hear if that changes anything before making things final.

No idea when this is going to happen though... floating in the air as it is connected now sounds already awesome!  Happy

Playing about 6dB louder too (according to the settings) but it does not sound any louder than before? Weird...

scratching

Bert

You are not the only one playing 6dB louder with the Intona I am sure!

Good idea regarding direct connection of the Intona.  I have just started the process of building a custom PC case from scratch and my plan was to put the Intona inside along with some linear power supplies, but I had not thought of going to the same extent as you have suggested...so nice one.  I would be much appreciative if you could show us how you do it in this thread.

Cheers,

Anthony
296  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Cannot boot into Ram-Disk anymore on: January 31, 2016, 12:06:50 am
I don't know for sure, but you will probably need to boot into a base OS version first...
297  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: RDC in RAM-OS cannot connect on: January 28, 2016, 10:55:07 pm
Well, that was interesting.  I am normally very reluctant to use a computer name when setting up RDP and always tend towards the ip address, but just now I replaced the ip address with "RAM-OS" (the computer name) and everything just worked.

So it is working...somehow without the ip.
298  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: RDC in RAM-OS cannot connect on: January 28, 2016, 10:17:29 pm
Hi Peter,

I followed this tutorial  http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=3213.0.

I've definitely got the ip address correct because it pings just fine from Music Server.

Anthony
299  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / RDC in RAM-OS cannot connect on: January 28, 2016, 11:38:07 am
Hi Peter,

SO I am in w10586 BASE on the RAM-OS HDD that you sent out in Normal OS XXHE (so the os should be largely operational) and I am setting up a wired ethernet connection from another computer (which will be used as a server) with the AudioPC. 

The networking is fine and I can shoot files back and forth between the two directly wired computers and I have made shares and added them to XXHE on the AudioPC for the Music Root and Tidal files and they all work well and I can play music using the music files stored in the Music Server.

But what I cannot do is connect RDC from the Music Server to the AudioPC.  I set up RDC and even followed your tutorial when it did not work the first time (the process was exactly the same) but it just will not connect...apparently I am using the wrong password or account.

On the AudioPC I have not changed the windows login at all so it is still user "XXHE" and pword "xx"...but it does not work. 

Any clues?

Regards,

Anthony
300  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: RAM-OS disk WARNING on: January 28, 2016, 01:19:20 am
Good call Mani...I am definitely listening louder...which I am sure is part of the better bass response that I am hearing (Fletcher-Munson and all that).
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