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631  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 09, 2013, 09:24:31 pm
From what I can tell the modded Pang card uses the external 5v supply to run only the upgraded TXCO.  The remainder of the card runs as normal from the pcie bus.
632  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd PC / Re: Investigating a full linear PSU for the XXHE PC and NOS1 on: December 09, 2013, 09:18:33 pm
That is a big drop Peter...10% or so at this stage of the game is substantial.  Are you using 5v to power your 'special connection'?

Anthony
633  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 09, 2013, 09:12:20 pm
Guys, those bits of aluminium on the Pang card are not for heat, they are for rfi.  He glues those pieces on to components that may be impacted by or radiate the nasties.

Anthony
634  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 06, 2013, 12:04:05 pm

So Anthony, no sarcasm at all here.

Regards,
Peter


PS: I think I am going to move this topic to the NOS1 board. That should make it serious, right ?
That does sound serious Peter.
635  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 06, 2013, 05:06:17 am
No Frank but those Kiwis are certainly showing the Windies how it is done.

Nice morning for Aussie cricket though...
636  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 06, 2013, 01:02:59 am
Hi Anthony,

Imho this is serious exitement on Peter's part.

I am the one that did 1+1=2, Peter is the genius who knows like no other what its implications are.

But I think we're catching up Grin

Regards, Coen

P.s. Enjoy your "popcorn" !

I am sure you are right Coen.  These little cultural differences are funny at times...and I am enjoying my popcorn.  The cricket is starting so it's time to turn off my music and put on the radio (which sounds awesome through the NOS1...hehehehe).


I am watching this space.


Cheers,

Anthony
637  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 05, 2013, 11:30:57 pm
I'm sitting back with the metaphorical popcorn waiting to see how this plays out.  Keep it up guys!!

Peter has gone ninja on us with this post...

Wow.

Coen, you are a genius;

You just brought me THE idea which is so so SO smart that I can't believe it myself. And it has to work.
OMG, if this really works then it probably leads to something so devistatingly new that all SQ goes to another level.

secret
Peter

If Peter was Australian and our humour was in play I would not know how to take that post...it is either deep sarcasm or genuine excitement...I hope it is the latter.

Anthony

638  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 04, 2013, 11:26:21 pm
Yes Peter, thanks for the elaboration.  Very interesting...I have read your post three times now and I think that I better understand the angle that you are coming from.

Yes, of course the whole dexa clock experiment is likely to be substituting one set of noise for another set of noise, and the consensus of the two proponents is that the new set of noise is more pleasing to the ear.  This makes me wonder even further just what impact the ATX linear psu experiment will have on the entire XXHE/NOS1 ecosystem.  Will a new balance be created or will we prefer the old set of noise?  As you explained in that thread the lowest noise does not necessarily make for the best sound if we are exposing more offensive noise from within the pc.

So many combinations and permutations...and I think that you are right Peter to explore the software fully before finally tweaking the hardware...but in the meantime Nick and Paul have to their tastes the next level of sound reproduction and I am barreling headlong into a different major hardware change with the ATX LPS.  Heady times indeed.

Cheers,

Anthony
639  Ultimate Audio Playback / Phasure NOS1 DAC / Re: USB Clock Upgrade My Experiences (so far) on: December 04, 2013, 11:18:55 am
Paul/Nick/Peter,

I would be most interested if the PPAstudio card could be measured as well...just to see if there is a difference to the mobo port or the dexa modified card..

Peter, I have my oscilloscope here but I am quite sure that 0.5mV vertical sensitivity is not a low enough noise floor for the measurements you propose.  Is that correct?

Cheers,

Anthony
640  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Windows 7: PC automatically reboots after play command in XXHE on: December 03, 2013, 10:44:49 am
Hi Johan,

I'm not sure exactly what the cause of the reboot issue, but I may be able to offer a little insight into the driver issue.

Win7 does not natively support USB3, you need drivers for w7 to be able to use a USB3 card, unlike w8 that supports USB3 natively.  Note that Paul Pang links to a win7 driver and a win8 driver for his card which is actually the driver for the NEC chipset on the USB card which may well be the same chipset as is on your normal USB3 card.  Make sure you load the w7 driver because the w8 driver will probably not work too well.

Sometimes we tend to over-think things so the first thing that I would do is to pull out your normal USB3 card without removing the driver and plonk the PPAstudio card straight in there and see if it is recognised by the o/s.  If it is recognised with the existing driver then try to play some music.  If it plays music I would then install the correct driver by going into "Device Manager" and finding the Pang card on the hardware list and then update the driver manually.  Of course if you have trouble with the new driver then you can simply go back into "Device Manager" and "rollback" the driver to the original one.

Hope this works for you.  Let us know how you go.

Cheers,

Anthony
641  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd PC / Re: Investigating a full linear PSU for the XXHE PC and NOS1 on: December 02, 2013, 11:33:05 am
Yes, the transformers in a separate case makes good sense.  At this stage the heatsink will be on the back of the PCB and I had considered the PCB to be placed vertical with a fan or two to move the air where it needs to go which is out of the top of the case.  Anyway, we really wont know until the design of the ATX PCB is finalised and we know its size and final heat ratings.

Anthony
642  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd PC / Re: XXHighEnd PC Stripped down on: December 02, 2013, 10:59:54 am
Here's a few thoughts on what can go out of the PC when space is needed :

Notice : This anticipate today's views on how the PC operates best, which is with the least devices connected.

The internally assembled 2.5" disk. You won't gain much here, except when the whole bracket can go to which it is fitted.

Obviously the normal ATX PSU. This is more or less related to mentioned bracket. I am doing this by heart, thus not looking at the PC right now ... Thus, remove the PSU, remove the bracket which is over it and nothing is left at that right side.
But also no 2.5" removable bay and no DVD drive. swoon

On the left side there are the two removale 3.5" bays. The bottom one can be removed and the top one can be removed as well but this latter can be replaced with a 2x 2.5" removable bay including DVD. Think the size of that device now being on the right side. Not sure how to fit it because it will need a kind of bracket as is on the right side.
Accidentally I will receive such a "drive" one of these days so I can have a look whether that can be mounted in the left side somehow.

I can't oversee (without looking at the PC) whether anything can really be gained on the left side because I think it will be over the MoBo there. On the other hand it won't be all that difficult to have a bracket/plate made that fits over the MoBo there and where maybe a pile of capacitors can find their place.


Having said this all, this came to my mind :

Just have a second same box. Cost for that an additional ~100 euros (plus additional shipping roughly estimated on 100 euros for "average" parts of the word because of the total size of all !). Now use a nice umbilical cord for the power connection from the one to the other. That would fit all.
Now two of these cases can nicely be stacked and I don't think that will make anything worse (one larger case will I think).

Just give this some thoughts ...
Peter



I've got Robs XXHE PC here at the moment (you know Rob - new NOS1 owner here in Oz) and he has put it in a larger Streacom case which has loads more room than the standard case.  There is always an option like that.

 
643  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd PC / Re: Investigating a full linear PSU for the XXHE PC and NOS1 on: December 02, 2013, 10:54:08 am
Hi there Anthony,

So, still going strong eh ? Good.

Well, if it isn't going to fit in this case, we'll have to find another. The only downside will be that it will be larger. Haha. But for now we shouldn't worry about it.

Don't hesitate to let us do the soldering. In that case, also don't hesitate to make it SMD 0403 if that can gain a lot for the PCB size. But only then, because 0403 isn't even visible. Haha.

I don't know whether your EE can solder this himself (or in his company Wink) but if this is a problem, you may consider to send me the Gerber files (these are files which contain all about the PCB layout so they can be produced automatically) so I can have them produced, sent to me, source the parts and solder them. Next step I am not sure about, but logically I would send the lot to you out there. I would do that all for free.

Keep in mind that this is mainly about the soldering which has to be done manually (otherwise it will be unaffordable) and that this thus is about needing someone who can do that.
Also don't forget that having made a few proto PCBs does not need to cost much, but as soon as you/we need 20 and more you will loose heavily on it, and hopping over to normal production will cost, say, 150 euros for the design (in the production company). IOW, never apply prototyping when you head for "production" and thus start out with "production" right away. This means paying 150 euros for the design plus maybe 2 euros for the PCB (or 1 euro for the larger quantities) and for a repeat order de PCB remains that 2-1 euro.
Prototyping may cost 5-15 euro per PCB (depending on the size - usually goes per square dm) and no design costs. And quality is worse.

Your EE will know the abouts too but he really needs to be all over in the project in order to make the right decisions which in the end IS all about money - money the consumer needs to pay.

2c Happy
Peter


Yep still going strong.  I was not sure whether you would want to do the production side of things Peter, but I am very happy if you do.  My EE friend does SMD solder but like me has no interest in doing production volumes so I think we can figure something out.

We are trying to limit the 3 rail ATX PCB to 160mm x 100mm (which is an Eagle software limit) including the rectifier bridges and ATX control logic.  There is also a satellite dual reg board for the super low noise 5V 1A supplies (SSD and USB card) that will be around 100mm x 80mm (for everything but the transformers) but it will not require heatsinking so will have some flexibility for placement.  We have not yet looked too hard at the supply for the P8 cpu but I think it will need quite a bit of capacitance (hence size) and it will need considerable heatsinking so it will probably stay within the main LPSU box with the ATX PCB.

I am dubious about long umbilical cords between an external psu and the computer, mainly because of the possibility to induct noise on our clean power.  If I had my way I would get a pc case so that I could direct connect the linear psu into the P24 socket of the mobo - no wires at all and then have the more critical ultra low-noise supplies close to the ssd and USB card (but controlled by the ATX LPSU) for the same reasons.  Anyway, that is probably being pedantic.   

Cheers,

Anthony
644  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd PC / Re: Investigating a full linear PSU for the XXHE PC and NOS1 on: December 02, 2013, 03:14:19 am
Hi Anthony,

I read some time ago from you that this is going to be a DIY project, is it correct?.

I hope you have success in the end and we can all benefit from this power supply. Anyway from here I congratulate you for your effort and I encourage you to go ahead  thankyou

Thanks,
Juan

Thanks Juan,

It is a DIY thing at this stage until we have a design that is tested and measured and final.  After that there will need to be some sort of production so that the people that want one can get one, but I have not thought too hard about how that is going to work, just that it will happen if the product is a good one.  I certainly don't want to build them myself, so we will have to find someone to do it, but that is a bridge that we will cross when we get to it.

Cheers,

Anthony
645  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: The strangest sound ever, or ? Q5= ... on: December 02, 2013, 12:33:07 am


Set Q1 to 6 so SFS can be 0.8.
WARNING : As far as I can recall Q1 can not be 6 (at xQ1=1 and DevBufSize=4096) but now this works. So, not sure at all whether you can do this without ticks (different ticks, just caused by a too low buffer size and btw talking about the NOS1).


Hi Peter,

These settings do not work well with my version of XXHE.  I have to turn the upsampling down to 4x to not get KS/WDM errors on Redbook.

Anthony
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