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91  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 14, 2015, 10:30:11 am
Hi Nick,

About the bass performance, overhere we prefer the new 202. It seems to go lower and is less punchy. In other words more in balance with the overall sound. Before the bass could be a bit to much.
Last night for the first time my son listened to 202 and his first reaction was, what a good bass.

Regards, Arjan

Arjan hi,

That is interesting, I agree bass could be a little much with 1.186. The problem here is that with instruments like piano or chello or guitar the fundamental notes are just no longer there and the sound the body of the instruments makes cannot be heard now. Of course dance music suffers more  unhappy.

Interesting you and Michael do not seem to missing lower bass in the same way. dntknw

Kind regards,

Nick.
92  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 14, 2015, 10:12:25 am
Peter,

This post topic was intended to be is about the step back in bass performance (here at least) from official w8 1.186 to w10 2.02 configurations. This point seems to be getting lost in an unintended conversation on 1.186 in w10. I just get this is not valid.

If I were to started a new thread on 1.186 in w10 it would be a short,  single post to park the subject away from this thread  Happy I'm not bothered 1.186 in w10, I don't intent to use anything other than your intended configs.

I intended this thread tiopic to highlight only the change in bass moving from 1.186 (w8) to use of 2.02. Despite the supper performance of 2.02 in other respects, this change in bass performance is so significant right now I cannot see a way to move to 2.02.

I won't go on now, if I come up with any setting that help I will post otherwise I'll wait, fingers crossed, that something else comes up that can help here.

Kind regards,

Nick.

93  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 09:41:03 pm
Peter hi,

I'm not interested in getting 1.186 working in W10 (unless you think this would give helpful information). I done want to end up on an unsupported software combination.

The key points regards bass are that

With 1.186 in both W8 and W10 bass is the same give or take a small amount quite exceptional.

2.02 bass is not so good in W10 at least, (I will give it a go in W8). I am just hoping that it might be possible in some way to reproduce 1.186 bass performance in 2.02.

If there is anything I can try here with my setup that might help understand this i'm happy to give it a go.

Regards,

Nick.

94  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 08:57:40 pm
Hi Nick,

I am sorry but this is all too messy for me. This includes that you are NOT activated. See your own screenshot.

But say that if you're happy you just are.
A krate of fine whiskey that it can't last one hour ...

Peter

Peter hi,

Yes I see the blue title bar text now.

I had concentrated on getting the processor appointment and Xtweaks going for sound quality comparison. See attached.

As I say the intent is not to use this setup the issue is the change in bass between the two versions really.

Kind regards,

Nick.
95  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 08:44:15 pm
Hi Nick,

I am sorry but this is all too messy for me. This includes that you are NOT activated. See your own screenshot.

But say that if you're happy you just are.
A krate of fine whiskey that it can't last one hour ...

Peter

Peter hi,
Your right it does stop.
It's not the intension to run 1.186 in w10  it just happened by mistake trying to understand what happened to the bass. Happy
96  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 08:06:39 pm
Anyway ...

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The main thing seems to be not to stop services in 1.186 settings. I only have the WASAPI services stopped. If I stop the other services W10 gives a critical error soothing like "critical service stopped".

I'd say that this "situation" should be able to be mimicked in 2.02.

Otherwise you can't be activated and nothing is legal much. But the latter ... maybe it can do something for the better.

Btw, no way that my bass is less. Only more.

Dis you already repair that other errorneous situation (installed W7 shell and such) ?

Regards,
Peter

Peter hi,

At first 1.186 was not activated but I figured that this was because of a windows setting that was not as I normally set it (I think you will know the one). So I changed this to the setting in w8 and 1.186 was activated again (it's running from the place I use it in w8.

Processor appointment x tweeks etc all work ok.

I did not repare the win 7 she'll install attempt.
Regards,

Nick.
97  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 08:01:54 pm
Nick,

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That is whilst running in W10.

I would almost doubt that part ...
But maybe.

Peter

Peter hi this is how it looks.

Regards,

Nick

98  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 07:51:30 pm
Hi Nick, thank you for this report.

What does your XXHighEnd screen show in the Playlist Area when you press Clear ?

Peter

Peter hi,

"XXHighEnd W8
model 1.186-a"

is displayed.
That is whilst running in W10.

Nick.
99  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / Re: W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 07:48:38 pm
Hi,

I have not had time to keep up with threads recently so I had not spotted that 1.186 would not work with W10 if this had been said that is.

What I did was probably not right but these were the steps.

Starting with W10 with 2.02 in min OS mode. (so on W2.02 min OS settings).

Installed started XX 1.186. Checked software settings were what I normally use (they had gone to unexpected values in some cases).

The main thing seems to be not to stop services in 1.186 settings. I only have the WASAPI services stopped. If I stop the other services W10 gives a critical error soothing like "critical service stopped".

Otherwise there are a couple of errors (dos file name type) come up when music is started but it plays fine. There have been some unexplained stops whilst playing but music sounds as described.

Regards,

Nick.
100  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your thoughts about the Sound Quality / W10 XX2.02 / XX1.186 Bass on: June 13, 2015, 06:20:32 pm
Peter hi,

I have come across a slightly surprising change with XX2.02 regarding bass. I ll try to describe what has been happening.

W10 and XX v2.02 were installed earlier this week. The sound was significantly different to W8 and XX v1.186ix.
Generally W10 and XX V2.02  gave a big step forwards in midrange clarity and tone with highs more realistically prominent. This reflects in the excellent human voices and cymbals that have been mentioned with W10 XX v2.02. I did not post on sound quality however because bass quality had taken a real step backwards and I could not understand this.

Playing with W8 XX v1.186ix

Bass is really excellent, it’s just like being in a club when dance music is playing.  Drum and base and sound effects mixed in to low frequencies like pitch slides fill and energise the room. The music is driven forwards from its foundation upwards. This bass quality is not boomy however, despite the depth and weight is very well defined tuneful.

With W10 XX v2.02

Bass was immediately dry with the weight and energy missing, it is reasonable down to mid bass frequencies but below this in the region that kicks dance music forwards its not extended and doesn’t have the same weight. There something of a one note quality.

XX Settings for both setups above were identical. I tried some software tweaks and subwoofer settings using XX V2.02 and got a little way forwards but still a very long way from the quality with W8 v1.186ix.

Just to see if I was miss-recalling the bass performance in XX v1.186 I loaded 1.186ix in W10.

The Bass was back and slightly improved on its former levels, really really good. My mother in law is staying with us this week end, I had dance music playing in the hall when I walked into the kitchen she was dancing ! she is in her mid seventies and just doesn’t  do this sort of thing  scratching. The effect of W10 is significant with XX 1.186ix.

I love what 2.02 is doing in other areas and keen to move forwardsto use all of the new features but I need to find here for the bass it’s just such a big difference in this area. Something seems to have changed, could this be anything to do with the new filters, are there any settings I might try ?

Thanks and regards,

Nick.

101  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: W10 - use of the W7 shell on: June 13, 2015, 01:23:42 am
Hi Nick,

This will not be normal :

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I have W10 up and running but explorer does not restart after XX reloads after playing in Mon OS mode.

Also not sure how you would go about next with no desktop (this is what you are implying). Unless you can do with XXHighEnd shortcut commands (or OSK). But ...

Peter

Peter,

I think I just need to reinstall, but that is quite quick so not too much of a problem. What I have been doing to get around the problem is just entering task manager to manually run explorer.

I think the case of the problem was trying to use the W7 shell which was my mistake.

Nick.
102  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Nick's "Chronos PC" on: June 12, 2015, 07:30:29 pm
I want to keep this quite simple.

The Chronos is a product, so beyond a high level description of what it is and does I do not propose to enter detailed descriptions here of how it is designed and how it works.

With the exception of Rakesh, who’s response to my invitation I find suppressing, the significant numbers of people that have contacted to me to date have been entirely comfortable to discuss the Chronos directly with me and have made decisions on what they feel is right for them based on this.

It is much too easy to stray into discussions that lead to accusations of marketing  etc etc here, so I stopped posts on the Chronos here to prevent misunderstanding. You will notice that I have not posted on the Chronos here since Pauls post on sound quality some time ago and the unsightly accusations that followed.

This is a clear position I hope. If there is genuine interest in the Chronos I ask please that people to contact me directly.

To explain why the Chronos is being treated as a product;

There are literally 100’s of ways to get a build of this type wrong, the difference between a bunch of parts put together and a properly set up system is night and day in terms of sound quality. This is not a DIYable [edit]  solution and I want people's experience of what I am doing to give consistent and enjoyable results.

I have spent a significant amount of time effort and money developing the Chronos and it is reasonable for me to re-coupe investment in return for providing what I think is a unique approach to building a reference level music server.

Finally development cannot stand still, this is because PC hardware moves on. As this happens the investment of more hours of work and cost are forced to happen again. There is risk for me as there is no guarantee of outcomes or how much time and cost will be incurred to get there.

Nick.
103  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: W10 - use of the W7 shell on: June 12, 2015, 08:47:09 am
Peter, Guys,

Thanks for the explanation sounds like what I'm seeing is "normal" behaviour for the pre release version of w10 so I won't worry about it.

Sound wise it's interesting, generally improved partially highs and voices but bass has lost some force drive and definition. I'm really still setting it up so I hope it might be tuneable in this respect. If so then first opinion will be upside everywhere.

Regards,

Nick.
104  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / W10 - use of the W7 shell on: June 11, 2015, 09:27:26 pm
Peter hi,

Is the W7 shell needed when using W10 ?

I have W10 up and running but explorer does not restart after XX reloads after playing in Mon OS mode.

Also the Windows start button (bottom left corner of the screen will not work even when freshly rebooted.

I did try to use the W7 shell program I guess this could have messed the W10 shell up ?

Thanks

Nick.
105  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: Nick's "Chronos PC" on: June 11, 2015, 09:13:04 pm
Rakesh hi,

Can you PM me, happy to help but in fairness to Peter we should have an off line conversion.

Kind regards,

Nick.
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