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1  Ultimate Audio Playback / Your questions about the PC -> DAC route / Re: Firewire connection on: June 21, 2008, 09:56:11 am
Hi Peter and All,

A compelling new FW interface product from the very professional Swiss brand WEISS:
http://www.weiss.ch/afi1/afi1.htm

This could well be a very serious contender to your famous RME FireFace 800 (same price range about 1300€).
However, your DAC must accept AES/EBU input (or optical ADAT; which is the rarest option; only for some Pro studio units).

Cheers

The one that looks intriguing to me is this one:
http://www.weiss-highend.ch/vesta/index.html
2  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: Vista64bit support on: May 29, 2008, 09:00:45 pm
It works!!

Albeit I only tried it in demo mode. (I tried this on my work PC with Realtek onboard sound)

Good work Peter.

Since Vista 32 is limited to 3GB of RAM and with the ever increasing availability of hi-res downloads (24/96 & 24/176) I suspect one day we are going to need 4GB (or more) of RAM and so Vista 64 will be the way to go.
3  Ultimate Audio Playback / Interesting Music / Testmaterial / Re: 24/96 demo track for download on: May 17, 2008, 09:02:45 pm
...but ya, I'm a bit of a NIN fan...distortion and all.

Ya, I'm a bit of a NIN fan as well. And the distortion doesn't bother me, per se. But if you open these files in a WAV editor, you'll see all the horrible clipping. To me, that's just unacceptable (for any recording). I HATE THIS "LOUDNESS" WAR!

But, FWIW, I downloaded the 24/96 as well as the standard 16/44.1 and there was a clear difference. Mostly in the space and reverb surrounding the vocals.

And as Dave said, I hope more groups follow his (Trent) example. And I hope recording engineers turn down the loudness and start giving us dynamic recordings again. Just say no to clipping.
4  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 20, 2008, 09:23:48 am
Well, if you can find a pattern I'll be happy to dive into it again.

I've only had a chance to listen once, so I will try again later to make sure this is repeatable.

Well . . . I listened again, and it is indeed repeatable. Although, I must say, it does seem to be more subtle than with previous versions.

5  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 19, 2008, 11:32:48 am
The separately uploaded XXEngine3 was dedicated to Scheme-3;
0.9u-14a works with all the Schemes (and thus incorporates a newer version of XXEngine3, which you can see by the date it carries).

I hope we understand eachother ... Happy

Nope, you lost me again.

0.9u-14a was posted 04/14.
You posted on 04/16 about the "new" XXEngine3.exe.
Now which one am I supposed to be using??

(Bare in mind, I'm using Scheme 1 and I don't want to change it)
6  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 19, 2008, 10:42:10 am
In 0.9u-14 that new XXEngine3 is incorporated.

But with 0.9u-14 (with Scheme 1) the track loading still incurs a CPU spike on core 2. With 0.9u-14a (and the separately uploaded XXEngine3.exe) the CPU usage during track load is with core 1. (I assume this accounts for the better SQ)

Is that what you mean by this:
. . . the latest is working a tad differently again to this matter !).

And if it's different, how can it also be already incorporated?  wacko
7  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 19, 2008, 09:26:31 am
For those who were bothered by this, would you care to try the below version of XXEngine3.exe and report please ?

Put the current XXEngine3.exe in your XX folder aside, and replace it with the one in the zip below.
Thanks,
Peter

OK Peter, I finally got around to trying this. I put this in with version 0.9u-14a. I played my "usual" set of DCD tracks and unfortunately I still heard a hiccup. Although, it occurred at a different point, so it sort of caught me off guard. Before I would start with track 2 (from Spiritchaser) and I would always hear a hiccup between tracks 3 & 4. And this is consistently repeatable. But with 0.9u-14a (and the new engine.exe) I didn't hear a hiccup until between tracks 5 & 6. I've only had a chance to listen once, so I will try again later to make sure this is repeatable.

But all is not lost!! There is a significant improvement in SQ over 0.9u-14! (Do you owe me one euro now or do I owe you?  Wink  )


Edit:
And BTW, I tried this with my new favorite Q1 = -1. (I figured this shouldn't make a difference since prior to 0.9u-14 Q1 = -2 was really -1.)

Quote from: PeterSt
A bug has been found for the Q1 settings of -2 and -3;
-2 appeared to be set equal to -1;
-3 appeared to be set equal to -4.
Now both have their own values indeed.
8  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: HDMI vs USB - any experience? on: April 14, 2008, 10:55:55 pm
I am currently using usb as output, but have also found a HDMI switch on the net with a tos-link digital sound out.

I have not seen any soundcards yet with HDMI output. There are video cards coming out now with HDMI output, and I've read that they're supposed to be able to intercept the S/PDIF output (from the motherboard or soundcard) and send that audio through the HDMI. But I wonder if anyone has actually gotten this to work.

Can you be more specific as to what devices you've found using HDMI.

Thanks.
9  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: RME or Lynx and external clocking on: April 13, 2008, 07:23:12 am
"The result is that a simply slaved CD player (not even synchronously re-clocked by LessLoss) outperforms even the most scrupulously slaved computer soundcard"  Basically they are suggesting PC Audio cannot compete.

What that means to me is that even a slaved PC (with DAC as master) is still affected by the quality of the PC (hardware, software). Otherwise, a slaved CD player should sound identical to a slaved PC. But if you look at their computer setup (including the use of foobar) you can see why it is inferior.

Mani

While your D70 can act as master it probably does not operate the same way (syncronously) as the LessLoss DAC?

Do you have any comments about the LessLoss impression of PC Audio that you can share with us ?


Frank

I think Mani already has mentioned that his CD transport sounds "better" (or at least "different") than his computer:
http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=480.0
10  Ultimate Audio Playback / Chatter and forum related stuff / Re: RME or Lynx and external clocking on: April 11, 2008, 10:07:51 pm
What do you think? Ever tried it? Does XXHighEnd still perform properly with an RME as Slave?
And the only "DAC as Master" I can think of is the LessLoss
http://www.lessloss.com/

Edward,

I slave my RME FF800 to my DAC (i.e. I have a separate 75ohm BNC connector feeding a wordclock signal from the DAC to the FF800). My DAC is not a LessLoss but an Esoteric D70. And yes, XXHighEnd definitely still performs ‘correctly’ in the sense that it sounds great.

But actually, I think that when the DAC is Master, XXHighEnd has less impact on SQ.

What I mean here is that with the FF800 as master (PLL setting on DAC), any adjustments in XXHighEnd are more easily identified as compared to the D70 as master (wordclock out setting on DAC).

This was my impression last weekend when I spent some hours listening to various combinations. I need to do some more listening, but won't be able to until I resurrect my hifi in a week or so.

But in any event, switching to DAC as master provides a quantum leap in improved SQ - IMHO, greater than anything XXHighEnd itself can provide. In this respect, I agree 100% with the LessLoss guys in that the DAC should act as master, with the clock sitting right next to the dacs (though I’m less sure about their views on using a SuperClock, what with the frequencies involved).

When I find a nos dac with wordclock output, I'll give it a go...

Mani.

Thanks Mani! That's exactly the information I was looking for. I bet one thing you do love, that both DACs have in common, is the PCM1704.  Cool
11  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 11, 2008, 08:30:51 am
Peter and all,

The problems are gone over here... I have set q1 on -2 for a few weeks.... Today i moved it a bit upwards (0)  and the cracks and hickups are gone.... Happy  too much !

Maybe something for Edward to try.....

Grtz



I think we may have a winner!!

Well . . . at first attempt with Q1=0 there was more stumbling (and crackling) between tracks than before, so I decided instead of trying every one, I just went to 14 hoping that is most neutral. Success! I only played through the offending album once, but I think everything was smooth. And it makes sense, because I was eventually going to get to trying Q1 settings, but I first tried Schemes. No appointment was full of crackling. And the others were only mildly better. Scheme 1 is the only one that is perfect for me (which is just as well because it clearly sounds the best to me).

And let me just add, Peter, this success comes with all my usual tweaks (Virtual Memory off, limited services, etc.) in place. And also, this is with the original 0.9u-13 (not the modified XXEngine3.exe that you offered)

So, to be clear, I still clearly prefer Q1=-2, but if you have a way if tricking it to 14 during transitions then fantastic.



And finally, during all this, I stumbled onto something else - Peter check your PM.
12  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 10, 2008, 07:03:03 am
Might you feel like trying something ... put your XXEngine3.exe aside and stuff the below in your XX folder.
I changed something which is more official according the books. I ran 1.5 album over it without problems, which - as we know - doesn't say much.

Nope. no Still hiccups.


I hear those 'glitches' in this setup (USB out), but also in the direct headphone out. Foobar or WMP makes also no difference. All glitches, hickups or other interuptions in the audio stream are at random, I never have been able to rehearse a symptom in the same setup or plase on a cd audiostream.

This is not the same thing we are discussing. I'm not talking about random glitches or dropouts. This is a repeatable interruption. Thanks anyway though.
13  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 08, 2008, 09:51:04 pm
Now, if you can find a way of making me clear how to copy what you still have ... I can't for the moment.
Btw, I ran at least 6 other CD's yesterday night with the same test setting, and not any hiccup.

Must think ...
But if you can come up with anything ...


Thanks for all your work on this. And since not many other people are having similar problems, I do not want to waste any more of your time (or anyone else's time) on this *at the moment*. I will do some more investigating on my end to find the culprit in my setup. At the moment, the only way it works is if I check 'Mem', but I will try to find if there is a configuration (in the midst of my services tweaks, etc.) which will work without checking 'Mem'.

In the mean time, when a, say, 5 minute track loads, how long does your disk light lit ? Please keep in mind that you can only test this properly for a first time per track. Otherwise the cache is involved.
Also you could try to notice whether the hiccup occurs during the disk I/O or right after that (during the cpu peaking).

Lastly, you might show a plot of the cpu useage during the track boundaries, but please tell me how long (minutes) the loading track is.

I've been using my RAMDisk again, so a 5 minute track load is less than a second. Can you  be more clear as to how I discern whether this happens during disk I/O or CPU peaking (it seemed to me that these things happen simultaneously)? As far as I can tell (when watching Memory usage in Task Manager) is that the hiccup occurs at the same time as the Memory Usage changes. And more specifically (with 0.9u-13) I think there is a point during the track load when the Memory grows large and then quickly shrinks to a lower number (as if it is releasing the previous track). I believe the hiccup occurs at the time it shrinks to the lower number.
14  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 08, 2008, 07:51:29 am
I have switched off the virtual memory as fas as possible (Re: Disabling Virtual Memory can cause errors and the result I get from that is that the used memory grows and grows.
So now I know how "Managed" dotnet works for it deciding when to delete memory. The G.d. thing first copies to virtual memory, and then lateron it may delete it (which IMO can happen only after a copy-back to the physical memory first).

 blush1  blush1
Uhh . . . should I have mentioned that I've been running with Virtual Memory turned off for like the last 9 months with no problems.

Quote from: PeterSt
Note : By the same process of development it was proven that it is not allowed to shut down the virtual memory, never mind it looks like that can't be achieved it all (it can, but the OS keeps on having some for itself).
When no virtual memory officially is active, you will bump into the limits of the physical memory, recognizeable by some more harsh cracking during the load of the next track (this is not way loud cracking, but sure more nasty than the cracking which may emerge e.g. during a service shutting down).

What do you mean I'm not allowed to shut down virtual memory (or that it can't be achieved)?? I did this a long time ago because of the benefit of better SQ. Is it time for me to re-evaluate this? (And, that crackling thing is interesting.)

Anyway, back to the topic:

But let me know if it still doesn't work for you. innocent

Peter

It still doesn't work. Neither with virtual memory off nor on. I even tried setting "DisablePagingExecutive=1" in the registry. Still get the hiccups. OH! But I think the clicks are gone!

On a side note - the SQ changed between 0.9u-12 and 0.9u-13. Did you expect that? My first impression is that it is "better".



Edit:
Remember, the trackloading happens at the lowest priority already, and can't be influenced by you (but the "opposite", the playback thread, you can).

Might this help - I just tried the same scenario with Thread Priority set to "High" (instead of RealTime) and still get hiccups.
15  Ultimate Audio Playback / XXHighEnd Support / Re: 0.9u-12 --> Hiccups and Clicks on: April 07, 2008, 09:09:58 am
Did you try the reboot now ? 99,99% chance it helps.
... for the hicups !

OK Peter, the album I'm playing with is "Spiritchaser" (from Dead Can Dance). I played after a fresh boot, and the same thing happened as before (and in the same spot - so it must not be all that random). Here's what happened:

I started with track 2 and there was a hiccup between 3 & 4 as well as a click - I stopped there.
Then I started with track 3 and there was a click between 4 & 5 and every song after that, and I didn't have a hiccup until between 6 & 7.
Sounds random right? Well, the hiccup seems to be happening at the point when the Memory usage for XXEngine3.exe gets to around 1GB. And the click just seems to happen after the second track and then continues. FWIW, If I start with track 4, then there is no click/hiccup between 4 & 5.
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