Nothing happened. I started the new version and just after that I remembered the minimised situation. I tried to recover by starting the previous version but the damage was already done, no way back.

Before I always put the OS in normal state if I wanted to update something beforehand and then nothing is going wrong.

I will install W7 again somewhere today (another hour lost in the proces, also because I do not have a CDROM in my PC and have to do things virtually from within W8).

Its time for a hardware solution like the Logitech Duet capable to be connected to a server too without the need for a PC.

Bert

I can't go back to normal state (needs to be activated) and the other problem is not being able to activate (which was always possible in W7 (even after a new installation) using the same code...).

I can't use a previous state of the OS either (minimised does not support that).

Bert

Edit: Too late for this evening anyhow, I already turned off the PC getting ready to go "home" and have a decent drink.

You only have to wait until you're home but then please do NOT forget to set XX (better talk OS) in normal state before you update.

For the first time I forgot this and now I have to re-install W7 again to have things working properly!!!!!!! 

Bert

Okay, then let's wait up for that version... 

Bert

Exactly, your room or everybody else’s own room because that is their reference. If your room is perfect and another one is not then the sound will probably be unbearable as it does not represent your own listening room.

Sure the room is important but since it is a personal reference then the differences made to the equipment in THAT room should be noticeable just the same so let’s agree that I do not agree with you here.

Never the less it is very much advisable to have a perfect room as it will only make the sound better and less distracting in the end...

Bert

Yes, and yes but stupidly even more is that several other recordings seem to work out for the better using W8.

But that is then probably the additional things less obviously processed in the mix?

Blehhh...

Positive thing is that my W7 is now as clean as it can be after its new installation and re-activation here was not an issue.

Oh well, back to the drawing board!

W7 is working again... It required a complete new install so my listening impressions are with a fresh install.

First impression compared to W8 was dullness... but that disappeared quickly after hearing that cymbal having size, volume and singing instead of smashing aluminium discs.

This sounds much more to a real drum set than through W8.

With W8 those cymbals are "processed" throwing out high frequencies all over the place and out of phase at the same time. This is what disturbs most clearly but everything else is affected the same, it is with this record all over the place.

Under W7 it is stable and natural even though the drum is mixed much too big to my taste unless you want to hear the drum sitting close in front it. My guess is that the mikes were close to the floor while recording... at least it sounds to me like that.

Bert

I played some big brass bands too where some sounded weird and unacceptable but different (for now I blame that on the recording) but also some that sounded very much okay and spacious and deep as if all was happening there and not in my head.

I hope I can get W7 back to work quickly to be able to check out the weirdness... 

Thanks Peter,

I just played it on W8 for a few seconds and got very confused about the sound. Nothing adds up and all is extremely phasy as if polarity is f*cked up all over the place.

Unlistenable but totally different to all recordings I have played on W8 before where I never heard things like that...that's weird.

Totally stupid mix as if all is playing in and around your head but not in front of you as usual.

One solution to make it sound more acceptable is to exchange the absolute phase (only possible without PA activated). This way things have more their place in the reproduced image (without describing this as a natural image).

Tried W7 but that did not work, somehow explorer is corrupted and does not want to start. My guess is that the W8 Shell replacement changed things within the W7 directory...is that even possible?

I will try to re-install (repair) W7 later so that it will play there too but I can't imagine that W7 will change that Jonas Hellborg track into a normal recording because if it does then all my other recordings will probably sound wrong...

Bert

Filemail?

Hi Peter,

Is the track still on-line? I would like to play it before going back to W7.

Bert

Perhaps it is time the update the system once more (big leap) and from there continue with less fatiguing work to improve the software even further? 

I have gathered several ideas during the time you've stopped updating... 

Bert

Hi Paul,

Several things changed (more transparancy, more dynamics, more resolution) and W8 could not ruin the good mood so something is very right!

Using Peter's settings.

But I have not heard W7 with the changes to the system (speaker wire, RAM disk and one other which I want to keep for myself at a moment).

I will go back to W7 soon (easy job with the multi-boot PC) and then I'll know.

Bert

Hi Leo,

I am in favour of W8 just the same but I did not compare the Helborg test track... I have listened for a few days to W8 only and I just love what I am hearing.

Clean, clear, tight, stable and a solid listening window where nothing jumps out or shows articial affects.

I can truely see what is happening now, much less "virtual".

No reason for me to go back to W7! 

Thanks...

Mmm 2 RAMdisks! And XX playing from one of them....

This will be a bit more complex to have that loaded automatically at startup using a batch-file.

O well, if the sound is okay then I'll just have to create it like that. 

Thanks for the tips.

I meant to say Killing XXEngine3.. that little blue clickable icon at the right side of the XX window.

But even restarting XX does not help, only a reboot is doing the trick for me.

My problems so far basically only related to changing the playback drive though.

Bert