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 11 
 on: April 15, 2019, 03:40:26 am 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by PeterSt
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Pics can do the explanation.

I made them a little smaller so we can see them. If needed, I still have the large versions.

Peter

 12 
 on: April 15, 2019, 12:18:01 am 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by vrao
Hi Ramesh,

I have reached a good sweet spot for all genre of music, classical (and ambient  Wink )sound exceptionally great.  The side-wall treatments are very helpful in widening the sound stage, and reducing room noise. The bass traps in the corners behind the speakers have a component to tackle flutter echos. Bass traps behind the listening couch were to be mounted on the wall, but it works reasonably well on the ground. Not much toe in as you can see. With the right recordings one can have the illusion of music from behind the listening position as well. Considering the speakers act as point source, vertical soundstage is possible.

The horns generate a lot of energy... and acoustic treatments will do radical changes in its presentation. I.e. this is important for classical music where in there are numerous instruments, and smearing can have a domino effect.

Mine are typically all “red” for the FM curves, in the current room it works fine, I do try others every now and then, usually anything less, the spaciousness and image depth are affected.

This setup generates a soundscape that you are a part of (immersive), not just a plain figment of imagination, but as physical reality. Mostly to do with the bass, and how the system is able to let the entire harmonic structure of notes bloom into the room accurately. Bass is exceptionally clear! “Layered” square bass waves are appreciable, especially with ambient.

I have medium carpet and 9’ ceiling.

Pics can do the explanation.

Cheers, VJ

 13 
 on: April 14, 2019, 05:40:05 pm 
Started by Robert - Last post by Rmalits
Hi there,

since a few weeks I am using the new settings for Q1 and Q1x:
15 x20. With the small SFS = 0,69 the sound is lot better now, more precise and dynamic. The sound stage improved too.
Before that parameter change the sound was a bit „smearing“ and I wasn‘t sure about my new speakers...

Thanks a lot to all of you who found these new Q1/Q1x settings!

During the last months I also tried different values for balanced load between 8 and 16. I ended up with 12.

Kind regards
Richard

 14 
 on: April 14, 2019, 07:57:34 am 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by arvind
Hi Ramesh,

Maybe since you’re positioning is close to the side wall, it’s possible that’s causing the smearing. Try moving them 20” away or use diffusers at the first reflection point. Also diffusers behind the speakers does help in clearing up the highs & mids.

I don’t listen to Classical music so sorry can’t help you with that.

Best regards,

Arvind

 15 
 on: April 14, 2019, 04:43:40 am 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by PeterSt
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Anyone else's experiences listening to large orchestral pieces with the Orelos?

I think your friend from LA likes classical as well. He should be expressive about this and by now he *is* into room treatment very much (with a more difficult room as you will know). I will ask him to jump in ...

Regards,
Peter

 16 
 on: April 14, 2019, 04:09:15 am 
Started by CoenP - Last post by PeterSt
Hi Michael and all of you,

It would be correct that nothing much is to be found about the ET^2. The main reason would be that it is not promoted by me at this time because I am not using it myself. BUT :

The ET^2 was explicitly made for i2s connections which would be a reason why you can't here much from me as well as from 99% of other people, which leaves a hand full of people who could write about it but who may never will because not everybody writes on a forum (or this one). And then also : i2s would be so special and so dedicated to the DAC in question, that it would be quite useless to express about it. And lastly these DACs are most often from China origin and the cable is therewith sold to people in China (mostly Hong Kong, hopefully not offending anyone) which is a group within itself.

BUT then again : The ET^2 obviously can be used for LAN connection just the same and if 4 are sold for that reason I may be exaggerating 1 already hence no data there (yet) but what I *do* have for data is very positive. And that application I should be able to use myself (I'd say between Mach III and Music Server PC).

Small point could also be that promoting the ET^2 may make us crazy  a bit because there's no day any more without work on the other cables and once it gets known that it really works out (which by know I believe in advance) there may be an unnatural queue for about everything.

Anyway, yesterday I politely asked whether a small possibility might exist that I myself would receive one but which would be of inordinate length (I need a connection from the living room to the basement somewhere (how familiar Happy) and am stil waiting for my Lush^2 requiring the same route for the HTPC connection to the NOS1a which requires the same length. Each will be a day of work and so I am waiting  forever to be serviced. Yeah, poor me.

Meanwhile you have ordered one, so let's agree that you could be a first to express about it.

Kind regards,
Peter

 17 
 on: April 13, 2019, 07:52:53 pm 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by briefremarks
Arvind, Peter:

Very helpful.  I have the Orelos 12" from side walls, and 50" from front wall (behind the speaker).  The back wall where I sit is open, so no reflections to worry about there.

I have tried FM curves, and basically have varied between all green (current setting) to all orange, and some setting in-between.  Never used red for any of the switches.

DSP is factory setting: bass is excellent.

Toe-in has varied from very little to focusing about a meter behind.  Strangely, even with the tweeter aimed directly at listening position, I have not experienced harshness.

The speakers sound fantastic.  But there is one area that I am trying to optimize; large orchestral works and symphonies.  With large string sections, also where strings and brass play simultaneously, there is more "smearing" than ideal.  I have wondered sometimes if the issue is wide frequency range the coax compression driver has to manage, so some further optimization to be made to the crossover for this type of music. 

Anyone else's experiences listening to large orchestral pieces with the Orelos?

Ramesh

 18 
 on: April 13, 2019, 03:25:28 pm 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by arvind
Hi Ramesh,

The Orelo’s, unlike many other speakers, really don’t require much of fiddling around with room positioning or toe in.

My impression is that as long as you keep them a min of 20” away from the back & side walls, you’re quite set. Having said that, what I mean is that whether it is 20” or 30” away, the sound doesn’t change at all. However the listening position should be where you don’t get bass cancellation from the rear wall. Highs & mids don’t change with different listening position, as long as it’s more than the distance between the 2speakers.

Toe in should be min, under no circumstances should it be beaming directly at you. Maybe a mtr away from the ears.

I’ve done my share of various FM/Bass DSP settings but eventually I’m back to FM all green & DSP as factory set. Works out the best.

No room treatment or tweaks in my set up.

My room size is 8.5mx5.7mx2.7m

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Arvind

 19 
 on: April 13, 2019, 03:16:49 pm 
Started by CoenP - Last post by Michael_B
I've been an early adopter of the Lush^2 and Blaxius^2. Both cables have had a significant positive impact on the SQ in my system.

However I haven't pulled the trigger on the ET^2 yet. Although this cable has been available since October 2018 I haven't seen (found) any comment about it. I would appreciate to read some feedback on this cable from actual users (if any?) or Peter himself.

In my system the ET^2 would be used for ethernet purpose.

Thanks,

Michael

 20 
 on: April 13, 2019, 09:25:39 am 
Started by briefremarks - Last post by PeterSt

Hmm ... Not much response here eh. But not from me either. unhappy
My excuse it that I play a different kind of music.  innocent

Positioning in room I never (ever) touch.

FM Curves - Changing them never works out in the long term.

Toe-in - merely toe-out. That too I set once and changing it never works out for the better. My toe-out (like half a meter next to my ears and then crossing behind me).

Room treatments - none.

Sorry for 0c,
Peter

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