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 61 
 on: August 25, 2014, 01:16:38 am 
Started by Scroobius - Last post by AlainGr

Good advice, but Paul is on "Cloud Nine" Happy

Joachim
good

 62 
 on: August 25, 2014, 12:31:43 am 
Started by Scroobius - Last post by christoffe


But please, do not rebuild your home !!!! Wink

Alain

Good advice, but Paul is on "Cloud Nine" Happy

Joachim

 63 
 on: August 25, 2014, 12:10:02 am 
Started by Scroobius - Last post by AlainGr
Hi Paul,

I concur with Mani. I sure hope you will be happy with your choice.

It will not be of much help, but when I got the Tannoy, I really was not convinced with what I heard before I made my decision. But I did get them after all. I am happy today, but the process was long and sometimes I was really not sure.

What is hard is that passed over a certain level, things can get so sharp that it becomes complicated. Sometimes getting a new component will mean "change another", sometimes one will decide not to keep a component because it requires too much... Money can also be an important factor in our attempt to "accept" something or turn it into something positive. Ultimately it comes to some difficult questions, questions that are not easy to share with others. I try hard not to disappoint anyone, but if I disappoint myself... unhappy 

From what I have read from you throughout time, I am sure you will find your way, as you are a "fighter" Happy

But please, do not rebuild your home !!!! Wink

Alain

 64 
 on: August 24, 2014, 11:13:33 pm 
Started by Scroobius - Last post by manisandher
Bloody hell Paul... I hope it all proves worth while. Looking forward to getting a chance to hear in person at some point.

Mani.

 65 
 on: August 24, 2014, 09:38:20 pm 
Started by CoenP - Last post by manisandher
So I don't know what to do about it. I feel that W8 can be improved upon but at this moment I don't know how.

Hey Peter, try taking hyperthreading OFF with W8. In my setup, this brings the LF back up quite a bit and tends to smooth the sound overall. (I'm using processor scheme 'Core 3-5' with a 6-core CPU.)

Don't over-think this one... just try it!

Mani.

 66 
 on: August 24, 2014, 08:47:14 pm 
Started by Scroobius - Last post by Scroobius

Last week Bert advised me that my "nearly" new Orelino's are due here early September. So today in a frenzy of activity I got the chisel out. The problem in my room is that what cannot go over the carpet has to go under.

More to follow on why my Orelino's are "nearly" new and why I decided to splash out a lot of money on a pair of speakers the sound of which I was not entirely happy with.

Paul

 67 
 on: August 24, 2014, 11:38:48 am 
Started by CoenP - Last post by PeterSt
Please notice : I already have tried W8.1 and it totally s*cks. No need to try that again for you. nea
What can be different now though, is how it sounds through the NOS1a.

Of course I was not clear about that much, and it requires the "knowledge" of this (my) judgement in the first place (maybe 7 months or so ago).

I will do it anyway, but just in case it works out for the better over here ... for you it will be for the worse. I mean, nothing changed !
But ask away when it is not clear, ok ?

Regards,
Peter

 68 
 on: August 24, 2014, 11:17:12 am 
Started by CoenP - Last post by fralippo
Yes, please try W8.1 and report.

 69 
 on: August 24, 2014, 10:58:05 am 
Started by CoenP - Last post by PeterSt
Re: Orelo MK-II Imaging.

All right. I pinched my XXHighEnd PC together again yesterday and I started out with Windows 7 on it. Played an album of which I knew I did not play it often any more because "too difficult". Notice that this is about "too difficult" for W8. It is space-like synth stuff and no roar etc. would/will emerge in W8. Highs are too profound or something.

First off, I found no different perception under W7 than on my other W7 PC (with 13 disks attached to it and which can be regarded VERY noisy (also acoustically yes). So I think the "machine" as a cause can be ruled out.
The album worked as intended (well, that is what I must assume) and I felt nothing much wrong with it. Do notice that I by now was rather used to the W7 sound, but with included "speaker tweaks". Also, I think if I had to survive with this forever, I could do it; maybe I wouldn't like all types of music for the best, but alas.

With this proof at hand that it is not the PC which matters, and also not forgetting that *I* personally can't imply differences with XXHighEnd settings, I finally went back to W8. And yes, I was more afraid that I would be disappointed than that I was looking forward to it after these 8-9 days of "struggle". The palpability of W8 has something and as said earlier, it can come across like LP (in comparison with W8).

So there I went ...

In 45 minutes of time I was not able to let that same album sound decent by any means; It was now cold, sterile, no roar anywhere and there we go again : made by robots.
D*mn.
Tried all the speaker settings I could think of, but nothing satisfied. Strangely enough the W7 settings satiesfied best.
And so, if we look at this (album) I must give Coen all the right in the world, because there's no comparison and W8 is awful. Still though, all I heard from the bass was infinitely better. There was no deep from down earth umphf boiling up, but eatch same from deep down earth hits had an attack, envelope and decay. So what do we want guys, perceive one big down earth umphf, or hear what the instrument really is about ? And again : d*mn it ! it has to be about the latter !

But this was such an album (but by now quite rare) of which I knew it didn't work any more since W8. So let's behave normal and play the stuff which "works".

First notice : all the flavours have gone. Read : W7 is one big pile of deep down earth flavour, with a sauce of grey on it on top. Interesting and it could sell, but even me should get annoyed by it after some time, never mind I just told I got used to it.

Further notice after playing somewhat longer (say two hours) :
All is so "normal" because natural. I supposed this is all related to the grey now lacking and the accuracy in place of it. I even forgot that cymbals could sound nice and interesting, because with W7 they're just not there (envision how grey mushes them into deep down earth nothing Wink).
A more strange thing is that again an hour further I could not imagine how this can ever go wrong. So, the W7/LP idea actually, but now 10 times emhasized. How contraditionary ...
Still there are those albums which will not work, but as far as I can recall they are always this synth sh*t. So let them be.

Or ?

It is very very dangerous to let such thing be. I mean, one of the worst regarding W8 robotics has been Vangelis' The Friends of Mr Cairo. More light than light weight and all completely nasty. This improved over (XXHighEnd) time, but with the NOS1a this went totally normal. Really so and all the examples I had which were so without ANY bass, now work (Heaven 17 is also a nice example). Many synth stuff - same story. But still not all.

So must I go back to W7 because of this handful not working in order to let 1000s not work optimally ?
No. I refuse.
I better sit down and work out the frequencies where W7 behaves totally different from W8. That seems doable to me. Next I will be able to tune the speakers for where W7 is the better one and apply that to W8, Mind you, if so at all.
But is such a thing useful to you out there ? No, to most it is not of course.

So I don't know what to do about it. I feel that W8 can be improved upon but at this moment I don't know how. I *know* that W7 is all over for the worse only and that plain distortion masks the robotic accuracy of W8. I personally can not proceed that route. Distortion is just that and it should not be the way to go.

More interesting of course is : how can it ever be. It shouldn't exist but it does. Bit perfect = just that for both. Well, we have talked about this (way) more often. Both just can-not be the same. Also, I don't know what actually happened that the difference is now so enormous (I am not exaggerating), which should only be because the DAC is again better in reproducing what it's offered; before we may not like the one over the other, but this is really out of space. If I only take my drumming recording and observe how that is TOTALLY messed up in W7, then what ?

Side note because it hardly has been a subject in here :
W8.1 too was like a drag; I now thus have no reasons to believe that that suddenly changed (with the NOS1a). But I can fairly easily try it. Who knows ... it can be in between W8 and W7 ...

All I can reall say is WTF !
But we do this for over 18 months already (W8/W7).

Peter

 70 
 on: August 24, 2014, 10:14:59 am 
Started by vrao - Last post by PeterSt
Hi,

Not specifically about the imaging, but after going back to W8 yesterday I again noticed the super clear difference between W7 and W8 at feeling the woofers :

With W8 you feel exactly what you hear.
With W7 you don't feel at all what you hear; by now I appreciate this is one big pile of distortion, which is also how it sounds.

Peter

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