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 on: March 01, 2015, 01:53:05 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by boleary
Joachim, what is a "DDD CD?"

 62 
 on: March 01, 2015, 12:11:05 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by christoffe
Hi,

I just made the experience that during our march improving the SQ of the music we have no reference point. There is no starting point/ fall back for a comparison. We are going ahead and do not know if we are on the right track.

Listening to old records on my vinyl rig I have to say, the digital chain has to struggle very hard to catch up with the vinyl sound. The vinyl sound creates a real powerful 3D image of the soundstage, it is a wall of sound. The whole area around the speakers is “energized”, full of music, you hear the depth of the recording room.

The sound of the digital releases of the LP’s (Return To Forever, Dave Brubeck,  Elvis Presley, Chick Corea) has no energy,  is flat with a small 3D image, (with vinyl the room depth is 5m, with digital 2m only) nothing sparkles.

On the vinyl “Take five” track you hear the drums, especially the cymbals and snare drum all over as one of the major instrument beside the piano. On the CD version the drums are playing behind a big curtain, all the magic of the amazing drums is gone.
 
The SQ of the “DDD” CD’s  have a nice 3D image of the soundstage, but has not the magic of the vinyl energy and “5m thick wall of sound” image.

My opinion is:

-   The SQ of the “old” digitized LP’s is not on par with the present new digital releases in “DDD”, and years behind the original vinyl sound.
-   I’m wondering about the missing energy (with the 1$USB cable) of the “DDD” CD’s compared to vinyl. Is the omitted preamp the reason?

Now folks, fire back. Happy Happy

Joachim

 63 
 on: March 01, 2015, 11:54:19 am 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by PeterSt
Let me sort of admit something :

When I was going to listen to this "Fever" track from Elvis a few days ago, I told I played Take Five in advance of it. Well, somewhere into the 2 minutes I shut it off. I didn't hear anything from what I was used to, that 4 years or so ago when comparing these "recording means" from Mani.

I must add that this track (but the Fever track no different) contained way too much of digital headroom. I didn't really sort it out, but my senses told be that it could be way over a half of lost "dynamics". So Fever track was nothing much, but Take Five was also nothing much.
And on the latter I don't recall that at all from playing it a 100 times, 4 years ago ...

Peter

 64 
 on: February 28, 2015, 10:48:12 am 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by manisandher
Hey, I still have them somewhere... can try to dig them out. But I don't think I had my vinyl setup very well optimized back then. And also I will readily admit that I NEVER managed to capture the full glory of vinyl on digital. It's not the ADC that was at fault per se, but the method of capturing the ADC output onto a storage device. Everything I tried for years failed. Some of the results were good, but never anywhere near the original vinyl. Anyway, I've now given up making needle drops for a while. If I want to hear my old 50s and 60s vinyl I just play it straight. And I have to say I love the sound - maybe not as accurate as digital, but very nice nevertheless.

I agree with Joachim 100% though - my 45rpm vinyl of Time Out trounces the 1997 Mark Wilder HDCD release in SQ. But I think a lot of this is down to the awful mixing on the HDCD - the alto sax is waaay too hot. Mark did exactly the same thing on the 1997 Kind of Blue CD release with the trumpet and saxs way too hot. He sort of admitted this when the 24/192 KOB was released recently. This has a much better balance, more in line with the original vinyl.

Mani.

 65 
 on: February 28, 2015, 10:30:57 am 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by PeterSt
Hi Joachim,

Maybe you recall that many years ago we were testing the means of digitising Take Five. "We" = Mani and I looked in the files and listened to it. But as I recall this was not really about a comparison with the (a) CD version.
Point is : I still should have those but I can't find them.

Maybe Mani still has them, but then he must have registered thoroughly which was which version.

So, curious ...
Peter

 66 
 on: February 27, 2015, 08:06:03 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by christoffe
Hi,

vinyl SQ beats CD rip by a “lightyear” on the “Take Five”  track from Dave  Brubeck on this CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Time-Out-Dave-Brubeck-Quartet/dp/B000002AGN/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1425061499&sr=1-1&keywords=dave+brubeck (acc. to the booklet this CD is no remastering)

The vinyl version I listened to is on this LP:

http://www.amazon.com/Dave-Brubecks-Greatest-Hits-Brubeck/dp/B003XX2P9A/ref=tmm_vnl_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-3&qid=1425061499

Anyone has the chance to compare?  You will be surprised what you do not hear on the CD.
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If my assumption/guess will be confirmed with other LP’S then most of  the ”analogue to digital” conversions from the ”master tapes” are for the trash. At present I’m listening to the  Miles Davis vinyl “Sketches of Spain” and the vinyl SQ confirms the trend.

Details about the differences later.

Joachim

EDIT: BNC coax cables are working in an analogue chain amazingly too!

 67 
 on: February 27, 2015, 07:18:29 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by christoffe
Hi,

at present I'm using for comparisons (Vinyl versus CD rips) the vinyl rig too, and when the turntable is my reference, the YFS USB (data only) cable with "no ambience" sounds not right. The SQ of the $1 USB cable is then nearer to the vinyl sound.

Joachim

 68 
 on: February 27, 2015, 04:21:28 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by juanpmar
Hi you first 10 guys ...

I will wait a little with ordering for the next batch so it can better match the further needs. Of course this also will depend on how much clapping you first 10 will be doing. And I sure hope you will because I am still doing so myself, and if you don't, I feel like stealing.

Enjoy your weekend !
Peter

Hey Peter, be quiet, we´ll try to judge it generously hehe Cool

Nah, seriously, thanks for shipping it so quickly

Juan

 69 
 on: February 27, 2015, 03:50:36 pm 
Started by PeterSt - Last post by PeterSt
Hi you first 10 guys ...

First off, thank you all for paying so quickly - some within minutes !

I just finished testing the first 7 cables which are ready now and I can tell that we will not be able to ship out all the 10 today (deadline in 15 minutes). So I decided to ship all 10 upcoming Monday.

Something else is that from the 20 meters of cable I ordered for trial, only 20cm is left (for the 10 of them) ! I never took into account that we could run short for the 10, so it is a bit of luck that it worked out; would have been quite embarrassing when not.

I will wait a little with ordering for the next batch so it can better match the further needs. Of course this also will depend on how much clapping you first 10 will be doing. And I sure hope you will because I am still doing so myself, and if you don't, I feel like stealing.

Enjoy your weekend !
Peter


 70 
 on: February 26, 2015, 08:20:29 pm 
Started by vrao - Last post by vrao
Johacim,

One explanation could be that the USB cable has no deleterious effect in your system.
Otherwise it could be related to grounding, some kind of filtering happening either at the speaker or crossover level.

VJ

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