Just found a note from Bert.  The pair marked with a red sleeve are for the outer terminal, which are the connectors for the mid-range

Just reassembled the Orelo speakers after some work on the house.  Now I cannot remember how the BMS drivers are wired.  There are two pairs of wires coming out of the woofer section to wire the horns.  One pair has a red sleeve to mark this pair.  Does the pair with the red sleeve go to the outer terminals on the BMS driver or the inner terminals.  I have the pair going to the outer terminals but do not want to try until I can confirm.  Also are the outer terminals the mid-range, and the inner ones the tweeter?

Thanks for the help.

Hey Richard !
If you got married ... then I hope you didn't need to sell your boat. ;-)

There is a (slow) work in progress regarding Tidal. But as how it is now, it is not really possible to integrate it with XXHighEnd. But see the post from Rudolf above; that brings something at least.

Kind regards,
Peter

Hi Peter,

I am back here again after doing other stuff like building a new house, getting married, …
I was not happy with the sound in my new music room, but I fixed it now and enjoying again listening with my Phasure system.

Today I tried to login into Tidal, but the login failed. Could this Tidal issue be fixed?
Do I maybe need a updrade of XXHE to be able to login into Tidal?
Anyway I would like to install a new XXHE version on my new laptop especially for downloading from Tidal.

Kind regards
Richard

I think there is interpretation involved as well.

As I have a kind of proved (kind of !) that all can be done on ad-hoc basis by Tidal, they could execute the MQA "folding" just the same. But now it all depends on the Tidal "download app" which a. downloads and b. interprets what to do with it (example : MQA).

My own conclusions so far in this topic could be wrong just the same. We must really throw some IQ/reasoning at it.

Album Sample Rate data in revised spreadsheet attached.

I am cautious to draw conclusions because it is not clear to me yet whether the Tidal App see different files than 3rd party apps such as Volumio and XXHE.

My data does suggest that Patricia Barber/Cliques is still MQA with the Tidal App (but this could change at any time).

The only thing that is consistent for all the other albums in the spreadsheet would be if Tidal is seeing different files now, otherwise how or why has the Emotional Oranges album gone from 44K to 48K, if Tidal App is upsampling would it not have gone to 88K.

Colin

The data I published in this post was misleading.

The Tidal PC App with Exclusive Mode OFF plays at whatever sample rate is set as Default in Windows Audio Device settings (ie Windows does the sample rate conversion) see attached. Therefore Sample Rates from Tidal App will only mean something With Exclusive Mode ON.

Will re publish my album sample rate data in a new post.


Colin

Hey George, thank you !

For others : what you see below I still had on-screen, so yes, indeed that.

... But I may miss the point of what you are trying to bring across ...

In any event the files as how they will be on your HDD do not contain the data to "be" HiRes. Look at the files sizes in my previous post. The top part of the two lists is close to twice the size of the bottom part; the bottom part is just 16/44.1 (the top part 24/48).
For more reference below a screenshot of a "local" genuine album in FLAC with slightly worse FLAC compression.

So, despite of what you wanted to bring across, I see that the Tidal app upsamples just as the MQA prescription has been (thus not only for Roon and Hardware, but also for the Tidal app itself).

We are all hoaxed, and it is my estimate that some pay extra for that as well (my subscription still costs 19,99 for "Hires").

Super thanks !
Peter

Hi Peter,

I have a small USB dac, 'Light Harmonic GeekOut' 32/384 capable playing music through Tidal desktop app. Was confused to see 'Max' files playing at 48000 sampling rate. Today opened 'More settings' on chosen output device (GeekOut), activated 'Exclusive mode' and beside highly shifted volume slider I've got 96000 sampling rate. That was with Paul Simon's a/m album and same with Stevie Wonder's one.

Since I have no MQA capable hardware, I've reached SW sampling rate limit and this is how Tidal team 'hides' it. DAC's driver shows only sr, not bit depth unfortunately. Again, beware of sudden very high volume increase!

George

Something is seriously wrong, and possibly Tidal doesn't know that themselves.

First a conclusion of what's below, because I don't think I knew this : it should be so that the Tidal MQA presentation always was done on the fly. Read : during the playback (download if you will) the album is processed and turned into MQA. This should be derived from the "fact" that the Album ID stayed the same (see below) while today no 24 bit file comes from it. You will believe me when I say that the bottom version was denoted Max.

It may be less easy to grasp that the original MQA album was 24/96, but see below to proved that (2nd picture).

So one hour or so further and I have not been able to find even one album that would be Hires, so what remains is the proof that the Tidal app plays them as Hires. So let's see how we do that ...
Well, no clue. I guess this starts with not being able to play anyway because of (a Tidal message) "There's a network issue - unable to play".
Oh well.

An intermittent other conclusion seems to be that with the one album showing Max and the other showing nothing (= "Lossless") both are always 16/44.1 for those cases I examined and this includes existing ones on my HDD which are 24/48 at the file level. I have no clue / hint about whether these albums now are album-originals (CD's) or that now all flaws over at Tidal's and that Album ID's have been mixed up or what not.

If someone is able to verify the playback rate of the Stevie Wonder album (see in the first picture below) by Tidal app means, please don't hesitate. This should not be done by something like Roon, because that will upsample by default, once it detects MQA (and that tag sure is still in there - it now implies the Max tag).

I suppose it is very well possible that all is now tweaked such, that all prior MQA playback now thinks it is Hires. Why ? well, because
a. It was MQA's prescription for a few years already that upsampling should be done 2x by standard (I just did not comply to that with XXHighEnd);
b. I heard that MQA lights still lit, but that the blue/green led comes not on any more.

Ad b.: This would testify that officially MQA was shut off, but that we are fooled as much as we already were. Just by full automation. You can't see it on anything. Yea, with XXHighEnd ...
Or download the files and throw some knowledge at it (look at the file size - play through Foobar and *know* that it s*cks to begin with or else you'd be sure to do something wrong (while you are doing it right).

Pfff