Schumann synchronizer

[Marcin_gps]

Hi Guys,

Do you have any experiences with these devices?

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/acousticrevive/rr77.html
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/schumann3/schumann.html

The purpose is to eliminate/minimise EMI by emiting the frequency of 7.83Hz that is considered to be our planet's natural pulse.

[PeterSt]

Not me. But coincidentally I had a pair of Lessloss Blackbodies "in" the system yesterday. They didn't last long ...
It does something allright, but nothing good to my ears.
I believe they have to point to the north for best results.

But maybe I just don't like changes to "original sound". That's a placebo as well ...

Peter

[Marcin_gps]

http://ouir.ch/produkt.html?art=924

These plates are supposedly very effective and cheap...

I consider Schumann synchronizer, because I'm exposed to big amounts of EMI for 15 hours/day. I have a huge display (30") that is 50cm in front of me, 2 PCs and audio equipment. All of that in a small room (~10 square metres). I won't find out if it's any good if I won't try it.

[manisandher]

I've ordered a 'Schumann Synchronizer' from Healing Earth here in the UK. It's 'only' £149, so won't break the bank. Will let you know how I get on with it...

Mani.

[Marcin_gps]

Great! Let us know

[manisandher]

I received mine yesterday. The verdict is still out on whether it makes a difference.

BUT... I did have a really good night's sleep!!!

Will report later with more thoughts...

Mani.

[PeterSt]

Whatever it is what you have there Mani, don't point it to the east please.

Haha.

[Marcin_gps]

I received mine yesterday. The verdict is still out on whether it makes a difference.

BUT... I did have a really good night's sleep!!!

Will report later with more thoughts...

Mani.

That is exactly what Srajan Ebaen wrote in his review. Sth has to be in it and it seems to be working...
Looking forward to your further thoughts, especially if there is any positive influence on A/V gear.

Marcin

[manisandher]

This is really difficult for me. On the one hand, I want to share my experiences as openly and honestly as I can. On the other, I think it's so important for people to try things themselves and come to their own conclusions. So, let me just say this: for all its implausibility, I think this Schumann device does have an affect on the sound... one that seems to work well in my system.

Mani.

[Marcin_gps]

Fair enough. I'll try one in my system.

[PeterSt]

I thought to be smart ...

I looked around whether I could buy such a thing (second hand) from someone in the neighbourhood, and couldn't find any. Ok ...
I hate it when I want something and can't get it right away, so I tought : why not create a 7.83Hz tone, and play it ...

Yeah, start laughing for the unexpected ending of this ...



So, generated the tone, put it in a nice "Schumann" folder, dragged in onto the playlist area and pressed play. At a really soft level of course, because one can't know what will happen when fooling with Mother Earth. Well, I didn't sense a thing, but walked to the woofer if I could feel it moving ...

... and immediately thought "fool, of course this won't work because the driver won't go as low as that". Yep.



That's me.

Next I thought, "no of course those drivers don't go as low as that, by maybe something comes from the subwoofers".
Felt those, and, nothing of course. Nope, they officially go to 12Hz with ports open, and I also have the ports closed.

But okay, the volume was still very low as well. So, maybe pump that up to more normal levels.
Nothing.
A "high" level maybe ? ...
Nothing.

Walked to the other sub as well to be sure, but no, nothing.

... But at standing there I very coincidentally saw the stif-ish flat wired cables to the mid-high section (which hang in free air for a meter or so), and saw them moving ! But it looked like from my walking there, or just a breeze in the room. But no, at standing completely still and not feeling any breeze or something, they just kept on moving. I even imagined that ~8 times per second. What the heck ...

Stopped the playback, and indeed, no movement anymore.
Set the timer to 10 seconds, clicked play and walked to the speaker, and ... yep, after 10 seconds the moving started.

Ahaaaa ...


Well, the level is fairly loud I guess (normal music would be kind of blasting, but still acceptable), and now it is the question : what should that level be ?
Oh, I just gabbed the dB (SPL) meter, and it nicely shows the frequency and 56dB SPL at 20cm distance (at 1 meter there's nothing visible).

Hahaha, oh ... oops ... I added 6dB, and indeed 6dB more shows. But while I still can't feel anything moving, the whole (over 100 Kg) speaker is moving now. Notice that the sub is not connecting to to the speaker, otherwise than via the concrete floor. Ok, so this is dangerous I guess, and the whole house must be shaking (it really can, and with some movie I had the outside earth (ground in the garden) really shaking). I now measure 56dB everywhere in the room, but over 60 in the back (standing waves).

Ok, I better stop it at this level.

What I don't quite understand is why I see the speaker moving (3mm back and forth on estimation), while I can't feel it. Am I moving myself on the same rythm maybe ? I'll admit it senses a bit strange, but sure not like that I'm shaking myself.

OUCH ... almost had a heart attack. I thought "let's look at that woofer again, because how can the speaker otherwise be moving back and forward" (the sub has its driver fireing downwards). So, I dove into the low-horn, and it *really* came to me as if something was trying to byte me. It was the woofer excursing sooo much that it it just came towards my face. And back of course. Brrrr ... that must be close to 7 cm back and forth (together). But it really shows a nice ~8 Hz frequency !

Ok, that woofer cabinet officially is straight to 27Hz, but that doesn't tell it can't do more. Btw, in another (newly designed) cabinet it goes straight to 18Hz (the BEST for a normal woofer cabinet !!). But pump in more juice and apparently it can even do more.


Ehh, don't try this at home ?

[manisandher]

Hey Peter, has anyone ever told you that you're absolutely crazy - I mean certifiable crazy?

In your last post, you gave the impression that you're a bit impatient. So, how've you survived the NOS1 ordeal these last, what, 24 months or so? Must have been painful for you...

You've no doubt had a much bigger dose of Schumann 'energy' than I've been exposed to - feel any different? Less impatient maybe? Haha.

Mani.

[PeterSt]

[Marcin_gps]

Peter, don't you know that messing around with infrasounds could be dangerous? 

BTW, here's an interesting link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note 

[Eric]

Hi all.
I have the Schumann Resonance Plug running in my listening room now for a very long time.
My personal experience is excellent. There is really no need to try to convince anyone else because IMHO the effect on what and how you perceive is very much dependent on your degree of sensitivity for it. Just try the effect on your consciousness and decide for yourself. Still interesting to read the reviews of others.

Here is what I use. The price is 195 Euro.
http://www.kempelektroniks.nl/Shunt-Conditioners/Schuman-Resonance-Plug.aspx?lang=en-US

Cheers, Eric.

[PeterSt]

Doh !

I looked around whether I could buy such a thing (second hand) from someone in the neighbourhood, and couldn't find any.

So I just could have got one from Bert !
(open 24/7 )

[PeterSt]

Ok, Mr Schumann is resonating here.

[Marcin_gps]

Sweet dreams... 

[PeterSt]

Actually I should wait longer, but I thought to tell it now before I change my mind :

From day one I notice a clear difference in my sleeping. It is difficult to describe - or may sound foolish, but as an example I experienced a sense of not being able to sleep throughout the night, while without any waiting it was time to getup already. This is a combination I never experienced; or you sleep and know that, or you don't and a night may take ages.

Another thing is that I'm ready to get up more early than normally. An explicit sense of "had a good rest" goes along with it. This includes the one night I described above (which was the first night ).

We didn't talk about it explicitly, but I can see my wife sleeps differently.

On the sound department ... I didn't get it for that reason, and merely would think it will interfere with good sound. IOW, I don't believe in devices which "enhance" sound. But what I sense is that -somehow- one is able to listen better. It happens in your mind, if I had to decide. So, music does sound different, but not because the SQ of it changed. So far I didn't appreciate it as negative.
I don't think it is about concentration or anything. Also it is not that I'm hearing better. But there's something going on with "interpretation". I feel it happens in my head.
And if this is not the case, than SQ has changed afterall.

I'm not sure what is suppose to happen exactly, and only read 6moons review (had to laugh about it quite a bit).

Later I may be able to describe better what happens. Or I may come back on everything.

Very curious what Mani has to say by now ...
Peter

[PeterSt]

Ok. When I listen for changes in the audio playback, and perceive something, I always "make" my wife find the same before I'll believe it. Sometimes she says "nothing" (I don't hear a change), and in such a case I always force here to mention at least something (yea, it's close to slavery here !). Next there always *will* be answer (may even take 30 minutes - and notice I never A-B anything here, so it is all from fresh music), and so far it never happened that we both did not perceive the same. Allright ...

Day before yesterday something occurred to me, and today it occurred to me again. This time though I thought it couldn't be a coincidence. So I aksed the coorporation of my wife for this.

Yea, it will be very different from what you expect ... Listen, learn, read on. Here's the literal conversion :

P: Can I ask you a serious question ? I expect a most serious answer too.

W: Sure.

P: If you listen right now, what do hear otherwise from other days ? So, you can listen right now.

W: Mwah ... ehh ... nothing.

P: But you *have* to find something. If you can't find anything, just mention something you can make up afterall.

W: No really, nothing.

P: ?

W: But there isn't anything !

P: ??

W: Okay, that it is quiet outside apart from the rain.

P: Huh ?

W: Yes. It is quiet outside.

P: Yeah, but quietness you don't hear different from other days when it is quiet.

W: But there is no wind.

P: Come on now. If you say "it is quiet outside apart from the rain" this is not what is really in your mind.

W: Still it is.

P: No, please, this is nothing for a good answer. What did you really hear when you though of saying what you said ?

W: Ehh, that I hear rain ?

P: RIGHT


So here you have it. I am sitting where I must have been sitting for hundreds and hundreds of hours, and undoubtedly it has been raining before while at the same time there's no wind. And I can tell you, some rain is falling in this country.
But day before yesterday I noticed I heard dripping I didn't hear before, and even looked whether it could be dripping inside somewhere. But no.
Today I noticed it again, and again I was looking for how it could be that suddenly it was so apparent. The Schumann device was already in my mind ...

There is no question in my mind that this is what the Schumann resonator is doing to you. Yep, to YOU. Not to your music equipment, but just to you. From the conversation you can learn how sneakily it works, and how someone *is* able to tell "a" change, without realizing what the change actually is. Of course this is related to how one thinks about stuff and how to set your mind - and formulate about it. Also you saw that it took some effort to begin with, to even realize *that* something is there. My wife didn't notice it, while actually she could with some force.

The funny thing is of course that this isn't related to audio at all, but that it somehow has the data in it for exploring what is actually happening. So, do we hear more silence and therefore better the rain ? Do we just hear better the rain ? everything ?
This is what I tried to explain in the earlier post, when I didn't have the rain subject in my mind yet. But similar happens to listening to music;

If I hear that rain better, is that related to concentration ? how can it. I concentrate on e.g. the typing I am doing. Or am I not concentrated on the typing as much ? Nah, that would be strange.

I also think it now is more easy for me to quickly form the sentence I want to say, before saying it. Oh, I can do that always, but it is if all goes more easy now. Not a word wrong. No ehhs, and ehmms. But not sure on this one yet.

Ok, for now I say that your brain is capable of separating better. Think of a woman who often can talk and at the same time can do another thing, while a man can't (of course the man says that the woman makes a mess of everything this way, but still).


One last MOST pretentious thing for now :
Yesterday I had some visitors over, and I noticed an "over" sensing of understanding things, listening to audio in general. If you look at the conversation with my wife again, normally (and very generally of course) with random people the conversation will go similar. The answers will be there in the end, but they have to be drawn out. Not so yesterday. In each of the occasions the answers were immediate and and agreed upon by both persons. Of course this is about the persons themselves whom I didn't (and actually don't) know, but still it came to me as not normal.
I can be wrong, but additionally I heard sayings like "wow, how easy it is to listen to audio anomalies the way you do after some small examples" (this is hard to put in a sentence, but I hope you feel what I want to express here). Well, as surpisingly it may have been to those people, as surpised I was myself to be able to make clear things so quickly.

You can call this stupid talk, or even "trying to find things", but firstly I am not like the latter, and secondly I always try to think about everything (and next have an opinion).

Right ... So I thought I was finished with this post. Want some addtional voodoo ? here it is :
(but I really think this is unrelated ... still ...

Before pressing "Post" I walked outside to have a zip on a cigar (mr Schumann didn't teach me yet how to quit smoking).
Walked back in after that, and closed the door behind me. Next I was three steps away from the door, and suddenly halted. What !!?? I heard the tingeling thing on the door keep on tingelinging forever ! ... well *that* never happend before !
Of course I immediately thought about this post and Schumann. But no, something else was going on ...

Look at the picture below; What you see is that thing and it hangs sideways against the glass. This allows the bars to move more freely compared to when it is in it's normal natural position (which is 90 degrees twisted). So, at closing the door, somehow the thing managed to get into this position, which I could hardly do my self by hand ! It just won't stay in this position, unless by precise coincidence. Yet it did it, and it never never happened before.
As said, most probably unrelated voodoo. But still ...

More to come ?
Peter

[Marcin_gps]

Hmmm, magic?  I'm getting one for myself, right away... 

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Thanks for this nice post Peter, much appreciated !!

Perception of music is also a brainfunction, the most primal one.
Never forget that.

[PeterSt]

Here's another crazy one I just experienced;

I'm listening to fairly normal levels of music, which is around 90dB at 4m distance (my standard measuring point, but which SPL level is not much more at the standard 1m distance because of (directional) horns I use).

It has dried up the last couple of hours, and I am listening to the last track of Diana Krall "Live in Paris". Not a too quiet track. This is a live performance, and suddenly it seems that I hear rain. I listen to the "frequency" of drops, and go look outside. Yes, the same noise and frequency and indeed it rains again.

Now, this is totally crazy.
It's not that I'm getting afraid of things, but this starts to look like super natural stuff.
I seriously think there is no way a microphone would be able to capture this out of the wall of noise I'm listening to here. Still *I* perceive it. Yes, "perceive" it, which may be something different than hearing it.

Besides all, I like Diana Krall (now I'm into track 4, while the album started at the last track because it starts with (  haha. "(Live in Paris) - 12 Just the way you are". I *can't* like Diana Krall, because, well, I just don't like her.
What did I say ? miss Krall ? hmm ...


Ok. for tomorrow I expect the clocks will start ticking backwards. Should be no problem for audio crystals (clocks) though.

No, I have no financial interest in the Schumann Resonator. But if I were you I would go out and get one as soon as you can. It's fun to begin with. The sharing just is already ! haha.
Oh, might it help ... mine has been burned in for a long time.
I indeed got mine from the reference Eric came up with (a "Kemp"). You can order it here to please my audio buddy : http://www.bd-design.nl/contents/en-us/d4_Kemp_Elektroniks.html (choose KE plugins).

Bert (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?action=profile;u=9) must be experiencing some bad times the last few days.

So ... finished this post, right ? WRONG. Again I "made" something happen.

I'm being here alone with my son (11, way too late, 10pm,  don't tell my wide who's out), and while just finishing this post and wanting to press "Post", my son comes sitting next to me, and track 7 of that Krall album starts. I'll admit this starts more softly, but loud enough sounding (here) to not understand that suddenly I hear rain again. Btw, notice it stopped throughout this post because I noticed that being outside somewhat earlier. So here is *that* conversation (you will het used to it I guess );

P: Hey son, what do you hear ?

S: I don't know. The bass sounds better ?

P: I don't mean that. Just listen to anything around you; what do you hear you may not hear always ?

S: Ehhmm ... [twisting on his chair] that it sounds very good ?
[I never ask him questions in the audio direction, unless this is about frequencies I won't hear]

P: Oh wait. Now you won't hear it. [after 30-40 seconds a snare drum starts, and I myself can't hear the rain anymore]

[behold and beware ... I quit the track, and hear nothing. No rain anymore. Damn, is it noises in the track (of which there are MANY) ?]

P: Wait, I must start this music again. Ok, here you go. You don't need to listen to music necessarily.

S: Ok. Rain ?

P: [I still don't hear it myself anymore] Can you go outside and check ?

... in the mean time the snare has started again, but at opening the door I knew I was right. Well, he too.

I'm laughing my brains out.
Now let's hope I won't dream about miss Krall tonight. Or at least not outloud.

Press Post now ? yes.

[Eric]

Hi Peter, interesting right?
Now, just for the heck of it, switch Schumann OFF, listen to the same tracks and watch your consciousness.
I'm interested how you would describe what you peceive now.
Cheers,
Eric.

[PeterSt]

Eric - I'm really looking forward to that occasion, but as I'm incapable of A-B-ing I want to have it on until I'm unaware of it (or until something starts hurting etc.). But for 100% sure there will be a time I do that, but I'm not sure yet (at all) what I will be reporting about. Could be anything, up to not getting wet while being outside and it's raining ... in my imagination. Haha.

When the time is there I for sure will let you know.
Peter

[GerardA]

Haha,
Just made one myself with a trafo connected to the output of an audigy with a wavegen-program running on 7.83 Hz.
I don't feel or see anything happening.
But I believe in it!
It heals you, it works like an Indian Guru, it makes you see things at places you never visited, and what else you can find with google.

The strange thing is the family gets more social, they're still talking after midnight like never before.
Maybe I'll have to turn it off to get some sleep, or better not and sleep better...

But serious, I did not AB yet and maybe the 'antenna' is not giving a strong enough signal, but it looks promissing.

Easy for DIY, Wavegen at audiotester.de, a soundcard with headphone output and a toriodal trafo with 110 and 220V taps.
Connect the middle tap to mass, the two 220 V taps to left and right output from the soundcard and your done.

And the rain just stopped here!
Hope the children get up easily tomorrow!

[manisandher]

Very curious what Mani has to say by now ...

I'm not sure I've got much to say really. But I agree that the Schumann device seems to have more affect on the listener than the equipment
necessarily.

But hearing rain drops? Oh, I've been hearing the rain drops alright - to such an extent that my basement is now flooded! But I'm pretty certain that I've been less stressed than I might otherwise have been. For example, many of my CDs, including many very expensive MFSL releases etc, have been ruined (not the discs themselves, but the booklets), and I'm just going around thinking, oh well it could have been worse - at least it was clean rain water and not sewage water...

But one thing the Schumann device isn't helping with is the now so obvious affect that the split file size has on the sound. It's really bugging me for some reason. I think it's because unlike the Q knobs, which once set you can leave alone, the split file size seems to need adjustment on a track-by-track basis, which is starting to infringe on my relaxation/presence and ultimately my listening pleasure.

Mani.

[Jack]

Mani
From what I've read about the split file size feature it can be stressful, on the PC that is!
Might it be worth setting your chip to it's default speed/multiplier & voltage for a session & see (hear) if it helps?
Jack

[pedal]

"I Can't Stand The Rain"

I can`t stand the rain
Against my window
Bringing back sweet memories
I can`t stand the rain
Against my window
Because here`s not here with me

Hey window pane
Do you remember
How sweet it used to be
When we were together
Everything was so grand
Now that we`ve parted
There`s one sound that I just can`t stand

[manisandher]

Might it be worth setting your chip to it's default speed/multiplier & voltage for a session & see (hear) if it helps?

Jack, I've responded in the 'Split file size and volume' thread.

Mani.

[PeterSt]

Hi Peter, interesting right?
Now, just for the heck of it, switch Schumann OFF, listen to the same tracks and watch your consciousness.
I'm interested how you would describe what you peceive now.
Cheers,
Eric.

As I said earlier, I hardly ever A-B, and so I didn't do it. But what happened was this :

After two months or so (could be 6 weeks, I don't know anymore) I needed the wall outlet, and pulled the Schumann out. I don't really want to listen with it anyway (as an enhancer) so I left it be. I left it be for the cable cleanup department, which passes by each x months anyway. Just a necessity because otherwise things really pile up fast (like I just let the Schumann lay around behind the cabinet concerned).

I never payed attention to it, hence I didn't realize it was out now, and also the fun of it was behind me. I didn't bother.

How big was my surprise that two months back (and many months after I pulled it out) I found the thing in some other wall outlet in the room.
What happened is that the cable cleanup department found the device, and instead of putting it to eBay it was put in use again. Somewhere else. I didn't know, nor did I notice.
So much for the effects of it, which maybe still have been there, but of course nothing in my mind was thinking about causes towards the Schumann thing. Dangerous by itself, because I could have been seeking for unexplained changes in sound. But alas.

Actually here the story is finished, weren't it for the fact that I just didn't want to have the thing active. So, I told my wife I found the thing active and whether it would be a problem somehow to take it out, but from there the suggestion came that maybe that was the best idea because of all the dust piling up to such an abnormal extend. Hmm, well, there could be logic in this, thinking about how the thing operates.
So it was pulled out, and by now it is safe to have the conclusion that indeed it really matters for attrackting dust. Maybe not attrackting, but merely make it come down from the air, while otherwise it keeps on floating, or spread more towards other places.


Rapping it up, let's think about the reverse effect *without* explicit A-B. I mean, if this would make your mind more open or something and e.g. rain drops can be heard right through very loud music, how would I discover not to hear those raindrops anymore without the Schumann in ? Impossible I think.

Peter