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« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2012, 01:29:14 pm » |
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I knew that there was someting to look at , regarding the stops after track ending at SFS=2.0 Once went back to the Memory and Disk Utilization part of the Setting Area did find out that " include garbage collect " button was active . I did suddenly remember some implication from the time I was using a laptop with very little Ram . It was stopping after a song when " include garbage collect" was ticked . Now SFS=2.0 plays without stops , when "include garbage collect" is NOT active . Well yeah . Nice Find for today .  |
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« Reply #91 on: July 17, 2012, 01:35:52 pm » |
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Shall I add more decimals for you ?  |
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stefanobilliani
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« Reply #92 on: July 17, 2012, 01:37:45 pm » |
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Shall I add more decimals for you ? LOL!!!  |
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« Reply #93 on: July 17, 2012, 01:50:17 pm » |
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Now SFS=2.0 plays without stops , when "include garbage collect" is NOT active . WHAT ?!(I didn't see this post before) |
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i7-870 Hyperthreading On (8 cores) @ 2.9GHz, *16GB*, Windows 7 Ultimate N 64bit SP1 on SATAII spinning disk, *No Paging File*, XX on OS disk, music on SATAII spinning disks, Galleries on SSD, Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/2/3/4/5 = *30*/0/0/0/0 / Q1Factor = *10* (Dev.Buffer = 4096) / ClockRes = 15ms / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *120* / *120* / Phase not Invert / *Peak Extension On* / *Phase Alignment Off* / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3 / Playback Drive = USB3 2TB / UnAttended (Just Start) / *ALL* Services Off / WallPaper On / OSD On / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : *Ultimate* / Time Performance Index : *Optimal* / Double Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 (MoBo) -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1 async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.2 (16ms) -> main amps -> Horn Speakers.
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W8 = Preferred ! May 24 2013 (due 0.9z-9)
XXHighEnd PC -> i7 3930K Hyperthreading On (12 cores) @0.76GHz (!!), 16GB, Windows 8 Pro 64bit on *EMedia SATAIII* 2.5" 7200RMP spinning disk, XX on OS disk, music on USB3 Sharkoon, No Galleries / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/2/3/4/5 = *30*/0/0/0/*3* / *Q1Factor = 10* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *1ms* / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *120* (max *120*) / not Invert / *(Phase Alignment On/Off not sure ! - I think Off*) Ph minus (strength *2*) / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3 / Playback Drive 1TB SATAIII 7200rpm / UnAttended (Just Start) / *All* Services Off / No WallPaper / No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *45* / Nervous Rate = 100 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = On / Double Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 (MoBo) -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1 async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.3 (16ms) -> main amps -> Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2012, 02:17:02 pm » |
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Now SFS=2.0 plays without stops , when "include garbage collect" is NOT active . WHAT ?!(I didn't see this post before) Well it is not true . It did play completely one album that was stopping before . And *it stops* at another album , exactly where it was stopping before .  Isn't it strange ?  By the way I can ear a distinct sound quality change between 2.0 and 2.8 SFS . I am sure of that. SFS=2.0 has a certain "collapsing" character of sound to it , which goes away at 2.8 . And that is it for now Best Regards s |
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« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2012, 08:22:21 pm » |
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Hope this may provide more data on the SFS = 2 playback stopping.
Playback stops here as well between tracks often at the end of the first track, sometimes as many as four tracks will play. In my case I decreased SFS to 1 and have continuous playback. I do like the new low SFS with Q1 at 14. It provides a very nice presentation as people have described.
I prefer SFS = 1 to a value of two, will try slightly higher values and check the garbage collect setting with SFS = 2 to see if the playback stops are cured.
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Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1 / Intel 3930 CPU 6 cores 12 threads / Asus P9X79WS / 16Gb RAM / fanless / SATAII HDD / PCIe USB 3 card => XX V09-83/ adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4, = 7,0,0,0 / unattended / SFS 1.5Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 10ms (bios precision timer disabled) / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend on / Phase alignment off / Phase on => NOS1 USB DAC => no pre-amp => Bi-amp Bridged Gainclones => Avantguard Duos. System powered from two 3kva balanced mains isolation transformers.
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« Reply #96 on: July 18, 2012, 12:37:00 am » |
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I must say I prefer the good 'ole settings for engines 3 and 1 over the low sfs. Engine 3 actually sounds more 'musical' (the Peter Dutch style) to me.
The low sfs seems to add a bit something, but for some reason after some listening I feel a lack of something else. Ok, this is vague but I dunno what it is. It somehow wears fast.
I'm going to wait for v07 and apply the settings in their proper fashion.
Regards, Coen
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09-z8e: OS minimised ("stop all services" on); 16xAP; PE=on; ltcy=4096; q1, q1fact=1; appt scheme=3; sfs=2; SC memory; ph alignm=off PAx=0 (-); min os; clockres=10ms; decode hdcd=off; not switch.. =off; nos1@32bits/768kHz; 4ms driverbuffer ; Playbackdrive: primo ramdisc 7GB=disabled (and removed); xt tweaks: balanced ld: 98; nerv rate: 50-60; cpu: 1,0,0; timing: "not optimal"; usually playing attended.
Preliminary z8-2 settings different from above: q1=2, q1fact=1; sfs=220; ph alignm=on PAx=1 (-); clockres=15ms; 16ms NOS1 driverbuffer
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« Reply #97 on: July 18, 2012, 12:41:34 am » |
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Nope.  Well putting the music disc in a seperate usb3 housing has been a more fulfilling experience. It deliveres sq results that are of the kind that you want to stay a little longer with. No wear yet  ! Regards, Coen |
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09-z8e: OS minimised ("stop all services" on); 16xAP; PE=on; ltcy=4096; q1, q1fact=1; appt scheme=3; sfs=2; SC memory; ph alignm=off PAx=0 (-); min os; clockres=10ms; decode hdcd=off; not switch.. =off; nos1@32bits/768kHz; 4ms driverbuffer ; Playbackdrive: primo ramdisc 7GB=disabled (and removed); xt tweaks: balanced ld: 98; nerv rate: 50-60; cpu: 1,0,0; timing: "not optimal"; usually playing attended.
Preliminary z8-2 settings different from above: q1=2, q1fact=1; sfs=220; ph alignm=on PAx=1 (-); clockres=15ms; 16ms NOS1 driverbuffer
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stefanobilliani
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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2012, 01:47:07 pm » |
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Hi Peter and all of You , Glad to hear that 0.9-z7 is near soon ! By the way yesterday I did reorganized my music disk carefully putting the folders as described in the very helpful section of the forum called " Guidelines and Manual " . Then I had various hours of listening in the famous SFS=2 settings . Suddenly the quality of the music began better and for a long time , with just some occasional stop here and there . Also a connection of the (sata)disk through and external USB box port was in the tests , it did seem good to me . Sometime I only wish I could listen through a NOS dac . But soon who knows ... |
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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2012, 02:02:37 pm » |
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Oh, but Stefano, you already have quite some parts ! The software, the PC, some dongles and something like a Smartphone of which I only can hope you can work with it well (I can try it myself in a few days time - just ordered one today - yea, I'm behind a bit).
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i7-870 Hyperthreading On (8 cores) @ 2.9GHz, *16GB*, Windows 7 Ultimate N 64bit SP1 on SATAII spinning disk, *No Paging File*, XX on OS disk, music on SATAII spinning disks, Galleries on SSD, Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/2/3/4/5 = *30*/0/0/0/0 / Q1Factor = *10* (Dev.Buffer = 4096) / ClockRes = 15ms / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *120* / *120* / Phase not Invert / *Peak Extension On* / *Phase Alignment Off* / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3 / Playback Drive = USB3 2TB / UnAttended (Just Start) / *ALL* Services Off / WallPaper On / OSD On / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : *Ultimate* / Time Performance Index : *Optimal* / Double Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 (MoBo) -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1 async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.2 (16ms) -> main amps -> Horn Speakers.
Remote Control : None
W8 = Preferred ! May 24 2013 (due 0.9z-9)
XXHighEnd PC -> i7 3930K Hyperthreading On (12 cores) @0.76GHz (!!), 16GB, Windows 8 Pro 64bit on *EMedia SATAIII* 2.5" 7200RMP spinning disk, XX on OS disk, music on USB3 Sharkoon, No Galleries / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/2/3/4/5 = *30*/0/0/0/*3* / *Q1Factor = 10* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *1ms* / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *120* (max *120*) / not Invert / *(Phase Alignment On/Off not sure ! - I think Off*) Ph minus (strength *2*) / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3 / Playback Drive 1TB SATAIII 7200rpm / UnAttended (Just Start) / *All* Services Off / No WallPaper / No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *45* / Nervous Rate = 100 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = On / Double Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 (MoBo) -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1 async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.3 (16ms) -> main amps -> Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2012, 02:33:05 pm » |
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Oh, but Stefano, you already have quite some parts ! The software, the PC, some dongles and something like a Smartphone of which I only can hope you can work with it well (I can try it myself in a few days time - just ordered one today - yea, I'm behind a bit).
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« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2012, 09:11:44 pm » |
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Nope. Like at least one other, I'm moving back to my original settings with SFS=72 (as in my sig at the time of this writing).
I found that I was moving my buffer size to larger and larger sizes to get smoother results. In other words, I was hearing the eventual distortion that SFS=2 was bringing with Normal mode of KS.
BTW, the driver for my DAC supports buffers as large as 8192, but xxHighEnd only goes as high as 4096. Can 8192 be added?
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OS/PC: Vista 32 Ultimate SP2, 4GB RAM, Pentium Dual E2160 1.8GHz
xxHighEnd: 0.9z-7-4, SFS=60 Mixed Contiguous, 2x Upsample w/no arc prediction (for this particular DAC), Scheme 3 PlayerPrio=Low ThreadPrio=RealTime, Clock Resolution 15ms, Unattended and Attended, Stop all Services, Buffer 2048
Back, deep, relaxed soundstage: Engine#4, Adaptive, Q=20,0,0,0,0 ... Forward, shallow, in-face soundstage: Engine#4, Normal, Q=14,0,0,0,0
DAC: Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 (set to default PCM Rolloff), and no preamp
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PeterSt
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« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2012, 10:13:13 pm » |
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With KS that's just a matter of increasing Q1. So, Q1=1 equals one time the Device Buffer Size. And so on. That's for Adaptive Mode. For Special mode it works with samples (which are way under the Buffer Size for "length"), but the principle is the same.
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Remote Control : None
W8 = Preferred ! May 24 2013 (due 0.9z-9)
XXHighEnd PC -> i7 3930K Hyperthreading On (12 cores) @0.76GHz (!!), 16GB, Windows 8 Pro 64bit on *EMedia SATAIII* 2.5" 7200RMP spinning disk, XX on OS disk, music on USB3 Sharkoon, No Galleries / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/2/3/4/5 = *30*/0/0/0/*3* / *Q1Factor = 10* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *1ms* / Straight Contiguous / SFS = *120* (max *120*) / not Invert / *(Phase Alignment On/Off not sure ! - I think Off*) Ph minus (strength *2*) / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Real Time / Scheme = 3 / Playback Drive 1TB SATAIII 7200rpm / UnAttended (Just Start) / *All* Services Off / No WallPaper / No OSD / No Running Time / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *45* / Nervous Rate = 100 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = On / Double Octo Arc Prediction Upsampling / -> USB3 (MoBo) -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1 async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.3 (16ms) -> main amps -> Horn Speakers.
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