Why Does Some High Rez Sound So Bad?

[pedal]

Steely Dan - Gaucho

But Pedal did you compared those to the normal 16/44 version or the mfsl version. (with ARC)

Frankly I didn't spend too much time going backwards listening/re-listening on everything. Too little time, too much music and too many plans in order to cover everything!

[AUDIODIDAKT]

This topic is not over,

For now there are only a handfull of great quality Hi-Rez recordings.
Against thousends of 16/44 albums, which do sound great with ARC.

The future will bring us indeed better recordings.

I would love to hear my ambient stuff directly from 24/96 master, think about it.

[Gerard]

Steely Dan - Gaucho

But Pedal did you compared those to the normal 16/44 version or the mfsl version. (with ARC)

Frankly I didn't spend too much time going backwards listening/re-listening on everything. Too little time, too much music and too many plans in order to cover everything!

Sorry guy's to interrupt.

I really read this with much intrest and Pedal came up with some nice figures! which i do not undersand but Peter and Roy may.

Pedal not to offend you but Roy offered you something and now i have the feeling you retreat a bit. You can atleast accept them and make such figures when you have a bit of time.


Please do not get me wrong but i really dont want his topic to be over! It is very interesting!


Gerard 

[manisandher]

This may not be all that much related to anyone's imporessions, but merely the "inexperience". I mean, once at last have a DAC which doesn't touch the sound (or at least the least possible), it is logical to play all the hires you have or can get and next think it sounds good. And I don't say it doesn't, but I do say that chance is under 5% that it sounds better than the red book version of the same. Let's not forget that I'm "doing" this for two years now and with the over 300 hires albums I have here - can make some comparisons. And, of utmost importance (I'm sure you will believe that) is that the NOS1 allows to compare with all electrically 100% the same (no other DAC will do that). So, a 24/176.4 album will be electrically played 100% the same as the 16/44.1 version upsampled to 24/176.4. This incluses the driver setting and further buffers. But use proper filtering (which in the end means ... well, you know that too - from theory).

I respectfully disagree. My 24/176.4 recordings played back on the Model Two sound much closer to the vinyl source than my 16/44.1 recordings upsampled by XX and played back either on the Model Two (with QAP) or the NOS1 (with OAP).

Mani.

[AUDIODIDAKT]

BTW: I loved the CD of Frank Sinatra At The Sands. I bought the DVD-A €80/eBay with big expectations after reading glowing reviews. The problem is that DVD-A reviews are mostly based on the multichannel content, which often is freshly remixed and very good. The stereo mix might be old (as with Gaucho) OR some studio idiot just pushed a button to convert the 5.1 into 2.0. Which normally is manifested by a typical weak vocal. The vocal is too low in the mix. I hear it on Frank Sinatra/At The Sands, Yes/Fragile (some tracks, some tracks not) and some others I can remember right now.

My plan (dream) is to make my own downmix with +a few dB of the front channel, boosting the vocal part a bit on those albums. The center channel is normally occupied by the lead vocal.

Pedal I hope you dont mind putting this on forum (from a PM)

Ofcourse you can make your own mix.

But in the 5.1 mixing, indeed vocals are mixed in the center speaker.
So if you just take the fr L and fr R, you will loose LOTS of the vocal.
And if you filter those again, it will never become any better. (well maybe if you know the mastering details, but still)

Because I am on all torrent trackers, I get more info than most have when buying original.
Its stupid but just the case.

If they sell so-claimed hirez recordings for sometimes HI prices, you should expect somewhat more info
on the particular recording.

Roy

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Steely Dan - Gaucho

But Pedal did you compared those to the normal 16/44 version or the mfsl version. (with ARC)

Frankly I didn't spend too much time going backwards listening/re-listening on everything. Too little time, too much music and too many plans in order to cover everything!

Sorry guy's to interrupt.

I really read this with much intrest and Pedal came up with some nice figures! which i do not undersand but Peter and Roy may.

Pedal not to offend you but Roy offered you something and now i have the feeling you retreat. You can atleast accept them and make such figures when you have a bit of time.


Please do not get me wrong but i really dont want his topic to be over! It is very intereseting!


Gerard 

No worry Gerard he (we) will, (PM)

I completly trust his experience on this, but i need to upload the albums first, haha

Low-pass filtering means: It will let thru the lower frequencies up till 20Khz, above that all is filtered.
While the 16/44 should run to 100Khz theoraticly (well short story)

Roy

[Gerard]

Ok i will be reading this with much interest! And really Pedal i can not look into your agenda or have something to say about that but it was  a bit.... Well you now.  Me shutting up now! 

 

Steely Dan - Gaucho

But Pedal did you compared those to the normal 16/44 version or the mfsl version. (with ARC)

Frankly I didn't spend too much time going backwards listening/re-listening on everything. Too little time, too much music and too many plans in order to cover everything!

Sorry guy's to interrupt.

I really read this with much intrest and Pedal came up with some nice figures! which i do not undersand but Peter and Roy may.

Pedal not to offend you but Roy offered you something and now i have the feeling you retreat. You can atleast accept them and make such figures when you have a bit of time.


Please do not get me wrong but i really dont want his topic to be over! It is very intereseting!


Gerard 

No worry Gerard he (we) will, (PM)

I completly trust his experience on this, but i need to upload the albums first, haha

Low-pass filtering means: It will let thru the lower frequencies up till 20Khz, above that all is filtered.
While the 16/44 should run to 100Khz theoraticly (well short story)

Roy

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Talking about mastering issues,

Take Pink Floyd for example..........haha

I think i have of every album, 3-8 mastering versions (not talking about hirez (or de-emph), just red book)

What a hobby we have.........

http://www.pinkfloydarchives.com/discTOC.htm

[pedal]

Ok i will be reading this with much interest! And really Pedal i can not look into your agenda or have something to say about that but it was  a bit.... Well you now.  Me shutting up now! 

Hi Gerard,
I didn't understand your writing 100% but I believe it was all in the best meaning! (The price we pay when both writes in a non-native language).

This is a very interesting thread for me. As a contributing writer to the Scandinavian magazine FIDELITY, I have done quite a lot of research while working on a lengthy Hi-rez feature article. For that reason I have something to bring to the table, while also picking up new things and ideas from fellow enthusiasts here at the forum.

Roy and I have a parallell dialog in private, since sharing files is not a public topic, even if it is only for the purpose of "research and testing", he-he.

All the best!

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Hi Pedal,

This could become very interresting, indeed.
Give me time to put some albums next to each other.

I'am now listening to Steely Dan - Gaucho normal vs mfsl.

So far the normal version sounds better.

But I suggest we take some time for this before jump to conclusions
 


PS: after Microsoft listened to "us" maybe the music industry will too (eventually)............hahahaha

[Gerard]

Pedal,

Then really sorry i misread what you have written. Please take my post for not written.

  

Ok i will be reading this with much interest! And really Pedal i can not look into your agenda or have something to say about that but it was  a bit.... Well you now.  Me shutting up now! 

Hi Gerard,
I didn't understand your writing 100% but I believe it was all in the best meaning! (The price we pay when both writes in a non-native language).

This is a very interesting thread for me. As a contributing writer to the Scandinavian magazine FIDELITY, I have done quite a lot of research while working on a lengthy Hi-rez feature article. For that reason I have something to bring to the table, while also picking up new things and ideas from fellow enthusiasts here at the forum.

Roy and I have a parallell dialog in private, since sharing files is not a public topic, even if it is only for the purpose of "research and testing", he-he.

All the best!

[AUDIODIDAKT]

The problem with remasters is that the sound is compressed, that could be received as better.
But you loose the higher dynamics, while it maybe sound a bit colder, I still go for dynamics.

So its still personal preference

But I swear you, some filtering that is used in remasters is not good, at all.

[PeterSt]

I respectfully disagree.

Mani, I as respectfully agree with you. But the problem is (I think) that you know what to use / play for these comparisons, while my 300+ hires albums will (still) contain that as 5% of it. I hope I can make myself clear. I mean, the three of us (me, Roy, Telstar) spend quite some afternoon on finding albums of which I have both red book and hires, and we found exactly ONE which sounded better. But as said, you are way more deep into what to choose (PM related !), which I (we) can't.

But let me confuse you all;
Because the Crown Imperial was still in the playlist from this afternoon, I am now sonically testing a still brit(-ish haha) DAC with just that, and besides the first track by chance tore the house down (organ), it sounds great. Now what ? Well, I think I know. It is W7 related, and I guess I will write about it somewhere else.
Found out some things yesterday ...

And for Roy : remember how surprised I was it did not sound at all ?
There just seems to be more to everything.

Let the Pedals be right !
... for now ... 

[AUDIODIDAKT]

And for Roy : remember how surprised I was it did not sound at all ?
There just seems to be more to everything.

Let the Pedals be right !
... for now ... 

Yes, I was surprised too,.... could this be somethings else
Good things come from this, i hope

Its still an open discussion for a long time now

[PeterSt]

Just listened the albym throughout ... Plainly superb.
Hoax or not.

This is what I meant : A strange thing I changed my mind upon.

Life is full of uncertainties.