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« on: August 03, 2007, 10:36:26 pm »

This is the first time I have used EAC with a vengence, so a couple of questions by way of a reality check.

Firstly on my old XP desktop it is burning at a speed of about 3 times - this seems a bit slow?

On the report at the end of each album rip the quality of most tracks is defined as 100.0%. One or two tracks fall short - one track for instance was 98.8%.  Is this normal?

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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 01:25:01 am »

This is the first time I have used EAC with a vengence, so a couple of questions by way of a reality check.

Firstly on my old XP desktop it is burning at a speed of about 3 times - this seems a bit slow?

On the report at the end of each album rip the quality of most tracks is defined as 100.0%. One or two tracks fall short - one track for instance was 98.8%.  Is this normal?

Cheers
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Peter told me once to unfly "cache" while ripping with XP/EAC.

That speeded my 3-4 times up to 10-12 times.

No idea why.

Peter?

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 05:22:28 am »

Doesn't EAC warn against unchecking this if your drive supports cache; EAC needs to know to work around it and check your data being ripped me thinks.
I get some 99.9 rips, but 98.8 might be worrisome... try cleaning the disc?  Also, drives go bad fast it seems.  My (expensive :/ ) plextor 760A drive only lasted a year... but many many movies and even more cds (~+1500) were ripped on it in that time.  I just picked up a pioneer dvr-2810 sata dvd/cd writer... seems to work well.  I slow it down to 8X when ripping or it would rip faster... which I don't trust (vibrating discs and such whirring at high speeds.. idk)
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 09:10:40 am »

Doesn't EAC warn against unchecking this if your drive supports cache;

Of course ...

OF COURSE THE CACHE MUST BE OFF hence not active.

Gerner, your speeding was related to calibrating the drive, so it would know the beginning of a track instead of having to search for it. That may differ 10 seconds per track. Remember ?

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 09:17:55 am »

Doesn't EAC warn against unchecking this if your drive supports cache;

Of course ...

OF COURSE THE CACHE MUST BE OFF hence not active.

Gerner, your speeding was related to calibrating the drive, so it would know the beginning of a track instead of having to search for it. That may differ 10 seconds per track. Remember ?



Wait.  I don't understand.  If EAC, (using detect read features) says Yes to my drive caches, then I need to checkmark "Drive caches audio data" in Drive Options > Extraction Methods tab... right???

From EAC help:
"If your drive caches the audio just read, it would be a problem to read this data again in order to compare both extractions to find out if they match.  In that case this option has to be enabled, so that EAC will clear the cache by overreading it.  If your drive support this feature could be tested using the fuction at the bottom".
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 09:31:32 am »

Wait.  I don't understand.  If EAC, (using detect read features) says Yes to my drive caches, then I need to checkmark "Drive caches audio data" in Drive Options > Extraction Methods tab... right???

I have 2 drives in my PC (CD and DVD). Initially I unchecked the cache boxes, but when using the detect read feature it put a check back in on both, so I left it like that.

My drives and EAC PC are about 8 years old, (highly specified and expensive at the time!) so may have to think again which PC I use for EAC.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2007, 09:45:42 am »

Firstly on my old XP desktop it is burning at a speed of about 3 times - this seems a bit slow?

This won't help you, but might put things in some perspective :

Sidenote : when you see EAC at each next track looking for 5-10 secs to the beginning of the track, you must calibrate your drive. Also note that the 10 secs this scanning for the track might take, is much on 20 secs the rip takes. So this is one good reason why it can take long.

Then, to my findings, all further settings you change for the better of speed, must be wrong (!!). I mean, all would incur for less accurate reading, less rechecking, or whatever it it is that may make the result worse. This IOW : don't try to change settings for better speed. You'll loose on that in the end by (my) guarantee.

Another sidenote :
I have written a couple of "glitch detection" programs, just because now *I* spent a weekend at ripping with poor result. This program tells me what's wrong and where, anticipating on what I see in the files itself (as you know Chris, I dive into the files when my ears tell me something is wrong ... which usually happens when some of you come up with great sounding tracks ... hehe). So ...
So I can measure (afterwards) what EAC was actually doing and can compare it with what it told me.

First of all, the track quality as presented by EAC says nothing. Oh, maybe it does, but what it is must be known by the author only.
DO NOT listen to whatever is shouted around this on the net, because everybody copies words from others, and nobody knows it really. I can at least tell *that* because I can see what it does or does not tell ... just nothing with logic sense.

When the quality is presented as 98% my program may see nothing. Mind you, this says nothing again, because my program looks for some specifics only.
When the quality is presented as 100%, 100% sure this does not tell that the copy was good. I can show you, or you can look for yourselves when I built the program in XX (which I will).

I have the examples, emerged by pure accident, that a track can be full of glitches without EAC knowing it, or ever trying to reread or whatever it takes normally to detect and recheck for errors read. Looking at the data, I'm talking about 1000ths of subsequent samples, containing the same data (a glitch), again, EAC never having seen that. The scary thing is : *this* is an example which is audible (these glitches last a tenth of a second or so), but I can also show you over 1000 detected separate glitches which are not audible (oh they must be, but I don't notice it).
I can show you files with waayyyy too less resolution, which is similar to glitching, but then consistently. So, repeating a sample 10 times before the "voltage" is switched to the next.

Actually ... when I look at a file for whatever reason, there is always something going on. I would even be as ignorant that EAC s*cks so much, that it's time for a better one ...
Btw, do note I'm talking about anomalies you can get rid of. So, rip'm again, and the problem has gone. Or is somewhere else now.

All together you might take this for the next coming future :
There is so unbelieveably much wrong with this digital sh*t, that at least I don't know where it all ends and will lead to. There can be so much wrong without absolute notice, that I'm sure we all don't know what we are actually listening to.

Okay, back to the topic : Chris, my good old ripping drive wasn't faster either. My poorly (!!) rippers are faster, without reason. The one I use now (a 52x reader) also reads about 2-3 x. But it reads good ! So at least I actually don't know what is achieveable together with good reading.
And for those who obtain a clearly higher speed ... better watch it closely.  whistle

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Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2007, 09:58:46 am »

One more thing....

I noticed if the CD is dirty or greazy or even worse : SCRATCHED...then my typically 8 - 10 times ripping speed certainly slows down. Certainly.

My EAC is set up for 5 times overreadings.

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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2007, 10:00:35 am »

Wait.  I don't understand.  If EAC, (using detect read features) says Yes to my drive caches, then I need to checkmark "Drive caches audio data" in Drive Options > Extraction Methods tab... right???

From EAC help:
"If your drive caches the audio just read, it would be a problem to read this data again in order to compare both extractions to find out if they match.  In that case this option has to be enabled, so that EAC will clear the cache by overreading it.  If your drive support this feature could be tested using the fuction at the bottom".

That would be correct.
What got into the author of presenting logic like this, I don't know. It feels kind of upside down and unrelated.
I have that box checked as, indeed, per the selfdetections of the program.

The more I think of this, the more I realize that it doesn't say anything ...

Djeezz, I know the cache should not be used, but how is that setting then ??  aggressive

I now, and only just now see this checkbox under the Paranoid Mode radio button. You know, this button we never choose because it's "not recommended".
But let's be fair, when you see *this*, what would be the conclusion ? ...


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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2007, 10:24:06 am »

Wait.  I don't understand.  If EAC, (using detect read features) says Yes to my drive caches, then I need to checkmark "Drive caches audio data" in Drive Options > Extraction Methods tab... right???

From EAC help:
"If your drive caches the audio just read, it would be a problem to read this data again in order to compare both extractions to find out if they match.  In that case this option has to be enabled, so that EAC will clear the cache by overreading it.  If your drive support this feature could be tested using the fuction at the bottom".

That would be correct.
What got into the author of presenting logic like this, I don't know. It feels kind of upside down and unrelated.
I have that box checked as, indeed, per the selfdetections of the program.

The more I think of this, the more I realize that it doesn't say anything ...

Djeezz, I know the cache should not be used, but how is that setting then ??  aggressive

I now, and only just now see this checkbox under the Paranoid Mode radio button. You know, this button we never choose because it's "not recommended".
But let's be fair, when you see *this*, what would be the conclusion ? ...


Have you tested Secure vs Paranoid mode as to which is the better setting (less errors?)  .... you're not making me feel very good tonight hehe as I look into a future of reripping my discs... yet again :/ hehelol  (dangit, and I started selling some of my lesser liked discs off hehe) Paranoid mode always sounded like me, I just didn't use it cause they don't recommend it... but IT's paranoid mode... it has to be better hehe [sigh] better not sell off any more discs untill you finish your ripper/checker i guesses
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2007, 10:31:27 am »

Hi Peter

Your explanations make it much, much clearer. good

Interesting there are still many issues with EAC, perhaps one day we will see XXHighEnd with built in ripper?? Wink Wink

Perhaps I will give paranoid mode a try and see how it sounds.

Cheers Chris
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2007, 10:38:57 am »

Perhaps I will give paranoid mode a try and see how it sounds.

That would be a difficult job, because you wouldn't know whether it changed the result.
Better compare the two files then (which is not so easy, for reasons).
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2007, 10:41:49 am »

.... you're not making me feel very good tonight hehe as I look into a future of reripping my discs...

Psychological drama ... swoon
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2007, 01:46:38 am »

Hi everybody,

I'm very glad someone else shares the troublesome way of somehow ripping music on hard drives...
What always troubled me was the feeling that I can't make audio files sound the same when reading them with two different drives, or even with the same drive using different speeds. Even foobar (again, sorry) playback wasn't the same two times in a row. This (and the situation in the hifi forums, where PC/Hifi was just perfect and no problem) disappointed and discouraged me many times and made me keep my CD Player and forget about PC/Hifi time and again. But I always loved the idea of a PC as a source a lot, so i'm back at work reripping my collection and trying to learn to tame the beast somehow. (Not simply getting eaten by it would be a great start, as i can see from here)
Some great deal of motivation came from your site, which i accidently discovered and immediately loved. Thanks from the heart for this dedicated act of love and labour and for the patience and friendliness around here.

Now, for hopefully being not completely off topic:
Even if the CD/DVD Drive supports C2 Error detection, i used to uncheck the option because i *want* EAC
to re-read the data and look for these errors.
I also use the slowest speed possible, and, though i'm just listening to the files like i listen to records and since i don't ABX or... whatever... i felt the slow readings were clearly superior to the faster ones.
The readings of my Plextor 716 in external FireWire housing (with all sorts of brakes i can find  smile, resulting in 1.0-1.5x Speed) sounded better to my ears than my internal LGs or my Laptop Combos.
Does anyone share similarly sad experiences  dntknw ?

As a "solution", i recently found that foobar 0.943 has the "bitcompare" utility downloadable, where foobar does *something* and then tells me if the files contain differing samples or not. I hoped i could avoid furthermore painfully listening and worrying and just continue the ripping of my collection. (Convenience, anyone?)
Now i read Peters words "Better compare the two files then (which is not so easy, for reasons)"
Did you try some bitcomparing tools (maybe the foobar one) and did the sound prove the tools wrong, or, even worse, is there a reason why what we look at when we compare just isn't enough or the wrong thing?
( I still hope it's a dream and tomorrow foobar knows who's good and who's bad)

Cheers,
Boggie
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EAC secure -> Win2000 SP4 -> USB -> M-Audio USB Audiophile DAC
EAC secure -> Win2000 SP4 -> PCI -> Audigy 2ZS (KXproject Drivers)
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2007, 09:43:58 am »

Hi Boggie

Welcome to the club.

Regarding the cache issue. Let your EAC check your drive. If it wants to put a check in the box, then leave it there.

This is the text you get if you hover over the box.

"If your drive caches the audio just read, it would be a problem to read this data again in order to compare both extractions to find out if they match.  In that case this option has to be enabled, so that EAC will clear the cache by overreading it.  If your drive support this feature could be tested using the fuction at the bottom".

Its a terrible bit of English but I think it means - if your drive wants to use a cache then EAC cant do its job properly as it cant get at the data to monitor it. By checking the box this disables the cache and EAC works at its best.

Hope this helps.

Cheers Chris
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Music on external hard drive with own power supply. Brains of the system is a Raspberry Pi running Moode Audio. The RPI has dedicated Longdog audio linear power supply.
Signal passes first to SW1X Signature USB to SPDIF  converter
Then to SW1X Signature DAC
Then to Stevens and Billington TVC
Then to modified vintage triode amplifier
Then to open baffle speakers with vintage alnico drivers. Grundig tweeter, Saba Greencone midrange, Altec 416 VOTT base.
Everything is silver wired including mains and speaker cables
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