Remote Desktop connection with iPad

[JohanZ]

Hi Peter,
I think you don't like my question about making a remote connection to take over a HTPC Windows 7 machine to controle XXHE from a lazy chair in a WiFi network. But ill give it a try.
I have done some tests with three RDP programs on my iPad : RDP iTAP, 2X Client and RDP Lite. All RDP's give the same problems after i have start XXHE. When I have the controle of the Host I'm loosing the connection after I have start XXHE. When I try to logon again I get an error. "The server denied to logon ...." When I reboot the Host and make a new connection and I start other programs all works ok. I can close and reopen the session succesfully with an active program. But when I do the same after I have start XXHE I am not able to close and reopen the session. I have disabled all the services settings in XXHE but that doesn't make any difference. Any suggestions to make the Remote Desktop connection with the iPad succesfull?

Regards Johan   

[PeterSt]

Why wouldn't I like your question ? ... (I can guess something of course, but if you want it )

But first things first;
Does it work with a normal RDC client (a normal other PC) ?


PS: I wouldn't know of anything not working because of XX, if you only let all the Services running ...

[Calibrator]

Hi Johan,

interesting timing your post, as it was only last evening that I revisited using my phone (Samsung Galaxy S) to control XXHE using RealVNC as the interface. Playing XXHE on my video server PC, I set the screen size to 800x480 (the same as my phones resolution) and it looked quite good actually. OPerating in attended mode was a breeze but I want to nail down the services/processes in use for VNC so I can use unattended mode. It's something I will continue with this week hopefully.

In essence I will only likely use the remote function while working around the house doing other things, and I'm sure it will be handy then.

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Russ

[PeterSt]

OPerating in attended mode was a breeze but I want to nail down the services/processes in use for VNC so I can use unattended mode. It's something I will continue with this week hopefully.

That shouldn't be too hard for me here.

But anyway, the question first is : does normal RDC work. Because if not something else is the matter. Also, I don't know better than that it works here. And FYI (Johan) : the timing again is good because I want to let work my own iPad(2) work as well. But most probably I'll do this via the "Second monitor" option (and the AirDisplay app). But as usual, it takes some time ...

Peter

[JohanZ]

Does it work with a normal RDC client (a normal other PC) ?
 

I have some trouble to get it working on a Vista and a XP machine. For the ipad2 it was working within a minute! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[JohanZ]

Does it work with a normal RDC client (a normal other PC) ?
 

I succeeded with the XP machine to realise a Remote Desktop Connection with the same result as the iPad. I can start an application on the host and close and reopen this session. But when I start XXHE and I closed the session I cannot reopen this session. No response on this XP machine. The system need a restart to let the RDC work again.

[PeterSt]

Strange ... IIRC for Vista (as the audio PC) this was no problem. For W7 it was. And now I don't know whether for W7 SP1 the problem is solved again.

Boleary may know ...

[boleary]

Wish I knew, RDC is not something I've ever used.

[PeterSt]

Apologizes, I have been confusing you with DannyD. Here is the topic about it : RDP and XXHE aren’t compatible on my Win 7 PC.

So, it is just W7 creating the problem, and I don't know whether SP1 solved it.

I guess I am going to try it myself. The normal situation first. Could be via VNC.

Peter

[JohanZ]

The normal situation first. Could be via VNC.
 

Why do you call this the normal situation?

[JohanZ]

From  the post "RDP and XXHE aren’t compatible on my Win 7 PC"
......So I wondered, if you can test something for me ... It must be in this exact sequence though ...

0. Do NOT have the RDC (RDP) connection (not even once after a reboot).
1. Set the Appointment scheme in XXHighEnd to what you like (preferrably the Scheme you used before when all didn't work);
2. Be prepared for Unattended, but set Stop Services Not active, and Show Wallpaper also Not active (this will give you access to the deskptop lateron - see below).
3. Click Play.
4. Establish the RDC connection. Notice that maybe already now you can't get it to work. In that case here it stops, but let me know.
 

When I try to establish a RDC connection (step 4) with iTap from the iPad I get the message "The server denied to logon with reason 3489660976"

[JohanZ]

I guess I am going to try it myself.

Peter,
Do you make any progress testing a remote connection with XXHE with your iPad2 in a Windows 7 SP1 configuration?
Johan

[PeterSt]

I am sorry - I have missed your previous two posts ...

Why do you call this the normal situation?

Because of the general issues (see the link I referred to). Thus, if any "normal" means does not work (and an iPad is not much of a normal means), the "special" means will not work either.
So, I don't think you have tested the normal means, because you should use a normal PC (or laptop) for this little test.

Also notice that the "issue" as referred to in that link, does *not* occur at normally attaching to your audio PC (with RDC). Instead, this happens when the affinity to the processor changes, and this does not happen before playback. Next I am 100% sure that making an RDC connection to the audio PC where only XXHighEnd has been started (no playback yet during this boot session !) just works. So I don't need to try that. But does that work with you ?

If not, there's first another problem to be solved ...
Peter

[JohanZ]

.......because you should use a normal PC (or laptop) for this little test.

I have done this little test see: http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1728.msg17307#msg17307

...Next I am 100% sure that making an RDC connection to the audio PC where only XXHighEnd has been started (no playback yet during this boot session !) just works. So I don't need to try that. But does that work with you ?
 

Making a RDC connection from a XP machine is no problem. After starting playback i am not able to re-open a closed session from this normal XP machine. 

Instead, this happens when the affinity to the processor changes

So when I switch affinity off will RDC work for XXHE?

[JohanZ]

When I use the following Processor Settings in XXHE 09z-5-2:
core appointment = no appointment
player Prio = Nothing
Tread Prio = Nothing

AND don't switch Services off!

Then the Remote Desktop Connection between the audio PC and the iPad works ok. Close and re-open the session works ok.

But I hope that there is a solution for this problem so that I can change the above Processor settings in XXHE.

[PeterSt]

Something is strange with this topic, because again I missed your before last post. That you already tested it with XP I must have overlooked.

Ok, so that is clear then. But not the best either. How to solve that ...

Thank you for your information,
Peter

[JohanZ]

I guess I am going to try it myself.
Peter,
Do you make any progress testing a remote connection with XXHE with your iPad2 in a Windows 7 SP1 configuration?

Any progress?

P.S. When I give a reply in this forum and I do a Preview I see one line. How to change this?

[PeterSt]

I have been preparing a little already. But notice how difficult it is, already because of lacking services at some stage. This, besides the plain W7 bug ...

It won't go faster, nevermind I'm eager to use it myself.

Side note, but really important :
For maybe a year already I threw out my IR remote because of its so poor influence on SQ. I never told this so explicitly, but it is so. This opens the road to finding RDC (and the like) possibly better, while before it was the first thing not to do. But, this was theory.

Keep in mind Johan ... This could be working out similarly bad as WiFi does, which you already accepted to be right in your Audio PC. This all does not imply that I will spend forver ages on something like this, when SQ clearly degrades of it. So, for this moment I nice thought because it can workout (if it works techically in the first place), but as soon as it works out for the worse, I will not proceed on it. IOW, don't count on this, but I *will* try.

P.S. When I give a reply in this forum and I do a Preview I see one line. How to change this?

Can you make a screen copy of this ?
Which browser do you use ?
(I'm fairly sure I have seen this myself ! ... something with a virus on a laptop IIRC ...)

[JohanZ]

......I threw out my IR remote .......similarly bad as WiFi does........

I'm using both in my system from the beginning of XXHE and I am still very happy with the sound. I will eliminate the IR remote next days.

When I give a reply in this forum and I do a Preview I see one line.

On this System I'm using Google Chrome Browser.

[PeterSt]

We will check out Google Chrome. Thanks.

[PeterSt]

This seems quite unsolveable. Sorry ...

One can get crazy of all the applied "standards" in all the browsers.

Btw, if I see how Google's Gmail works ... I would exactly never want to use Google Chrome ...

[JohanZ]

There's a topic (or posts) somewhere else about this. This has the iPad as a target. In brief : the real problem with this is a W7 bug, which I (by now) might be able to tackle.
Point is : no time for it so far ...

Good to know that you can solve this problem..you are great! I was hoping to use the remote desktop function for the iPad in the next version of XX.

[PeterSt]

Ok ...

I guess this will be a soon popping up next subject. And let's say I am sure this is going to work. However ...

(and this will look like a commercial; it probably is)

Before everybody starts buying iPads for this reason only, maybe wait a little; Did you want to buy an iPad anyway, go for it. It's a versatile thing. But if you are reluctant to spend quite a lot of money on it because it may be such a nice remote ...

We are in the process of creating a general Windows remote "pad". If it goes like I want, it should be there in January. Price will be something like 200 euros; can be used like a general remote (wireless of course), but it will be XXHighEnd-dedicated in the mean time. Or NOS1 dedicated.
Multi-touch of course and *not* obtaining any unnecessary resources (like RDC obtains too much).

Somewhere in November we can have a first sample running. Only then I can be sure what it really will bring.
In the mean time I will be working on the iPad solution just the same.

Peter

[praphan]

Hi Peter,

Exciting ! I hate using my wireless keyboard as a remote for the time being.

It would be nice if you can develop a nice and easy touch screen interface.

Cheers!
Praphan

[christoffe]

Somewhere in November we can have a first sample running. Only then I can be sure what it really will bring.
In the mean time I will be working on the iPad solution just the same.
Peter

Hi Peter,

please do not forget to update and manufacture all the NOS1 USB in your order book in the meantime.  PLEEAASEEE!!!!!

Joachim

[PeterSt]

Christmass, Christmass ...

haha

[pedal]

I would like to purchase a remote solution too.

A solution working with Android OS would be better from my perspective. (But if it will be only iPad I'll join anyway).

But the Hi-Fi democrat in me says "no hurry". Let the others get their NOS1 USB first.

 

[s_chris]

We are in the process of creating a general Windows remote "pad". If it goes like I want, it should be there in January. Price will be something like 200 euros; can be used like a general remote (wireless of course), but it will be XXHighEnd-dedicated in the mean time. Or NOS1 dedicated.

Good Idea peter. I thought about to buy an Ipad, but only for remote control of xxhe. 200€ is also ok for me.
But how do you connect to xxhe pc: wifi or another connection IR?

regards chris

[PeterSt]

This is a good question Chris. Very good ...

The most logical one is WiFi, but WiFi is not "allowed" in the audio PC.
So, move the WiFi to another PC, that one network connected to the audio PC - Done.

... Until it is clear that the Network connection is not there either.

So, what I plan to do, is creating "some" WiFi connection from the PC which *is* allowed. Could be Blue Tooth at that end maybe - I am not sure yet what will be achieveable.

The more logical solution could (!) be to create a very leightweight network connection. Something which isn't seen by Windows, but which can be seen by Remote-PC communication. Think of socket-socket connection.

Next, all sorts of connections can be thought of, going from a WiFi receptable to the PC.

Let's sat that quite many options are there and that it comes down to the best one to be chosen. Which one that is has to be sorted out though.
FYI : Your XX folder also contains a TCP/IP listener which actually works and can be used for remote control (XXTCPSrv.exe, the one with the gray X). Its config data (XXWifiRemote.cfg, made for a Philips Pronto as an example) will be a bit out date though.

Peter

[s_chris]

Next, all sorts of connections can be thought of, going from a WiFi receptable to the PC.

Let's sat that quite many options are there and that it comes down to the best one to be chosen. Which one that is has to be sorted out though.

Thank you, i hopped for this reply. So i am confident, you will find a consequent way for a remote control with minimised windows/ hardware influence to sound.

regards chris

[TimDH]

Peter,
I was wondering if you could go by pad to USB to the PC, with the pad acting like a terminal. Of course this would tether you to the computer, but you can get a long USB cable.

Thanks,
Tim

[PeterSt]

Litterally this would work, yes (not with an iPad because it doesn't have a USB connection). This is what I have as the "solution" for when all other fails (which, mind you, is only about PC reources (e.g. WiFi), because it would work anyway). Don't tell anyone.

But next step up could be some cheap wireless USB connection ...

Also please notice : I didn't mention this, because it would not be iPad compatible ...

Peter

[Calibrator]

hey Peter ....

don't forget the Android fanboi's amongst us

Android is now the dominant force in tablets and only set to get moreso with the likes of announcements from Amazon with their Kindle Fire ( http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Fire-Color/dp/B0051VVOB2 ).

I think you will have a far bigger uptake of users going for remote control if you cater for Android based tablets (and phones).

Cheers,

Russ

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Hey,

Its possible to make a webremote.

Using .html script to make a webpage on C drive (remote.html)
together with browser (browser.html) (for searching xx gallery)

Then using jquery Java for nice UI layout
http://jqueryui.com/

Adres on Phone/IPad browser for eg:
http:// IP-adres: port / remote.html

Cheers,

Roy

Up to the job Peter??

[PeterSt]

Hey Roy,

If you mean : is this a good solution ?
... maybe not. That is, where would be the difference with RDC (assumed that works (bug worked around), which I still didn't look into because I don't like it for a solution, SQ wise).

But thanks of course.
Peter

[AUDIODIDAKT]

hmm,

I dont dare to say right now, but you are probably right
and it remains the same as RDC.

[PeterSt]

I tried everything with the iPad to let it work as I want it, but it fails. With a 3G it will work, but many (at least in Europe) won't have that (and I myself don't).

My own solution will do exactly what I want, but from that solution is the sad thing that it doesn't use the iPad (which so many people own).

Maybe it just needs more time. Maybe I must Jailbreak my iPad and see what that brings ...

Peter


PS:

and it remains the same as RDC.

Well, that's the point. If I would have liked that (for myself, for you all), I would be using that right from the start. Everybody would by now (ok, let alone that W7 bug, but as implied earlier, I think I can work around that).

[JohanZ]

I tried everything with the iPad to let it work as I want it, but it fails.

Did you test it with iPad IOS 5?
Is it a known Microsoft Windows 7 BUG?

Johan

[PeterSt]

Yes.
No; The bug is obviously unknown because of what we do with it all. Remember, it just goes wrong at changing the processor affinity. I guess there's explicit (MS) code about this somewhere; If you'd only know how much is done with this with Windows Terminal Server / Citrix (which is a form of RDC), then you'd understand that it might not even be a bug but merely some kind of "control".
(this is about load balancing)

[PeterSt]

Update on this one :

It may sound unbelievable to you, or totally stupid otherwise, but the disappearing Remote Desktop Connection after playback starts is a BUG ON MY SIDE.



Luckily for me it is not that simple, because deep down MS is related too. So, the provlem exhibits when the Processor Affinity changes alright, but, only when some needed Service is not running. And, I kill that Service unintentionally ...

Solved for the due 0.9z-7.

Peter

[JohanZ]

Solved for the due 0.9z-7

When? We still need to buy something to controle XXH
E. Please give us a clue.
Regards johan

[PeterSt]

Mooost probably around the upcoming weekend.

PS: That's what I thought about the last weekend.


PPS: I must be careful somewhat, because I now recall that I solved that oproblem alright, but it still needs work on reactivating the audio PC. So, the current status is that when you need to control the audio PC directly again (and actually take over the screen from the remote PC), the remote PC won't work anymore (for control), unless the audio PC is rebooted. Now, when this needs to be solved, I can easily say that next weekend will be out of order. So I guess I will leave it at this for the upcoming version ... and who needs to use the audio PC's screen ?
Yea, me myself. And for sure others too.

[Calibrator]

I've got my Galaxy Tab 7.7 charged up and ready

[PeterSt]

But do you have the gorgeous weather we have overhere ?

[Calibrator]

But do you have the gorgeous weather we have overhere ?

A quick look at your weather forecast shows a nice Spring day for yourself and a nice week ahead. It's a little cool over near now running out Autumn, but the last few days have been sunny and clear.

I reckon it will take a full day to read the release notes for z-7, so hopefully the weather with turn cold by then and I can devote an afternoon to that task while sitting in front of a cosy fire

Cheers,

Russ

[PeterSt]

Talking about release notes and a day to read them ...

I will be having HUGE problems with describing the new functionalities. I mean H U G E. That alone will take weeks, really. It will need a "manual" like setup, and it wil have to come afterwards.
Describing the setup of the remote control (in the fashion we want it to work) may take me a day alone *if* I can re-do all the steps myself at all, which needs them to be from scratch (and which isn't possible anymore for me).

So, next weekend really is opportunistic. I better take a week first to think about a proper setup of it. An official manual section.
If you ask me to estimate the number of topics in the release notes (without all the guidelines) ... normally 30 or so, this time maybe 300. I really don't even know where to begin.

[JohanZ]

I will be having HUGE problems with describing the new functionalities.

Does this mean a delay in releasing version 7 for upcoming weekend?

[PeterSt]

Theoretically, yes. But most of what is to described so "endlessly" can be described later. For example, you would have 0.9z-7 but will only learn 3 weeks later how to implement that remote stuff.
Just en example ...
haha

[PeterSt]

......I threw out my IR remote .......similarly bad as WiFi does........

I'm using both in my system from the beginning of XXHE and I am still very happy with the sound. I will eliminate the IR remote next days.

When I give a reply in this forum and I do a Preview I see one line.

On this System I'm using Google Chrome Browser.

If all is right this is solved now ...
(say it happened to each browser except for IE)

[JohanZ]

Hi Peter,

Any progress for the ipad bluetooth connection with the xxhighend audiopc?

High Regards,
Johan

[PeterSt]

This topic reminds me of the never ending finishing of 0.9z-7. Wow.

But Johan, I don't understand the question. Or do you mean the direct connecion via Bluetooth ? That can't work.

Groeten !
Peter

[praphan]

Johan,

You may like to read this :
http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2148.0

cheers!
Praphan

[JohanZ]

See: http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1967.0

That's an iPad all right.
Android works too.

I had the idea that the bluetooth dongles where applicable for iPad and Audio PC combination. Sorry I made a mistake.

Regards, Johan