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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2012, 04:15:30 pm »




Hi there. I want to place an ad on your site. How many visitors do you have ?

Oh, many. You will be okay on my site !

But what about that subscription stuff then ? those people don't see ads, right ?

Yea, well, of course we must subtract the few that subscribe. But that will be harmless to you, I'm sure.

All right. But then you assume those subscriptions won't work out ?



I always like possible scenarios and this is one of them. What's next in the scenario is up to us to make up. So, I pay for an annual subscription, have the benefits of that as well but in the mean time I'm alone in there. I can post whatever I want regarding the subjects, but nobody is going to read it. I am trying to sell my gear to a too small audience.
That sort of thing.

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2012, 04:18:04 pm »

Suppose that I would say that everybody subscribing to "our" (!) forum for 50 per year, for the second year (!) can obtain the NOS1 with 30% discount. Man, that's more than a 1000 discount. "I better spend that 50 just in case !" (which can end up to be a 100). I could have a million in no-time this way.

See ? this will work. Great idea. But it must be a trick (towards you) because otherwise *I* wouldn't think it is a good idea. I will have your million, and suppose I sell 200 DACs because of it. Or do we really think that all the 20000 subscribers I was implying buy that DAC ? of course not.

It's a "construction" and maybe I don't like constructions.
Still it could work.
Any subscribers ?
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2012, 04:31:44 pm »

Mmmm... Me ?  grazy
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 05:08:35 pm »

Suppose that I would say that everybody subscribing to "our" (!) forum for 50 per year, for the second year (!) can obtain the NOS1 with 30% discount. Man, that's more than a 1000 discount. "I better spend that 50 just in case !" (which can end up to be a 100). I could have a million in no-time this way.

See ? this will work. Great idea. But it must be a trick (towards you) because otherwise *I* wouldn't think it is a good idea. I will have your million, and suppose I sell 200 DACs because of it. Or do we really think that all the 20000 subscribers I was implying buy that DAC ? of course not.

It's a "construction" and maybe I don't like constructions.
Still it could work.
Any subscribers ?

The difference with the model you describe is that on CA it's not Chris C's stuff that's discounted for subscribers.

However, as you said in a previous note, it must be presumed to cut into advertisers' views and thus the site's revenue from them, unless there will not be many subscriptions or the site is drawing lots of new viewers.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2012, 06:43:09 pm »

Hi Jud - btw, love to see you around here, always and ever saying useful things which makes at least me ofthen think further.

Let me say first that I don't mean it negative from any angle other than "I don't see how it works" (can work). So, my own idea will work (I think, but opinions may differ) just because it is my own product indeed. But what if I go to Chris with this same idea, have you paid that 50 more to Chris which will be mine, and the further conditions are the same. I see no difference for the net workout on my side, but I suppose this makes you think now. It would be a strange operation, or at least it can't fit the other (provoced) ideas overthere. Still it will work (again, in my view) and actually everybody benefits. At least the subscriber thinks like this, and it is his/her own decision to go ahead with it. Still it is a construction, and still it will bring me that million, although I should now multiply it with some "more forum visitors factor". Is it a risk for me because I may sell so many DAC against a too low price (way under cost price) ? no. Because I always first have that million (times x now). It can't go otherwise, and/but therefore that second year.

Those manufacturers (Naim and such) won't be doing this for free. It would even be so that they see that nobody who joins this will be seeing their ads anymore. Okay, big deal because they are supposed to buy the products now anyway. But why and how at this 20% discount. So, what's next ?

Because I can make up my little stories right on the spot (just did it again), I can't help myself wanting to see what's behind things. There has to be something because nobody is doing anything for free. Not in the real world, and that seems to be a real world to me.

Why am I typing about this ? I don't know. I'm intrigued.

Regards,
Peter
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2012, 10:31:40 pm »

Let me say first that I don't mean it negative from any angle other than "I don't see how it works" (can work).

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Is it a risk for me because I may sell so many DAC against a too low price (way under cost price) ? no. Because I always first have that million (times x now). It can't go otherwise, and/but therefore that second year.

Those manufacturers (Naim and such) won't be doing this for free. It would even be so that they see that nobody who joins this will be seeing their ads anymore. Okay, big deal because they are supposed to buy the products now anyway. But why and how at this 20% discount. So, what's next ?

Because I can make up my little stories right on the spot (just did it again), I can't help myself wanting to see what's behind things. There has to be something because nobody is doing anything for free. Not in the real world, and that seems to be a real world to me.

Why am I typing about this ? I don't know. I'm intrigued.

Regards,
Peter

So one possible explanation is that we are smarter than Chris C and everyone at Naim.  Let's dismiss that at the outset (for my own part at least, I can provide you all manner of evidence that Chris C and lots of people at Naim must certainly be much smarter than me Happy.

So how can this work?  It must be something different between you and Naim.  One possibility is that the 20% represents the share of the cost per unit taken up by Naim's marketing budget, which they have in a big way and you do not.  This is not only the cost of ads themselves, but of the employees involved in marketing, their salaries and benefits, taxes paid on account of them, etc. 

These subscribers are a group of people who will pay $50 just to belong to a sub-group of an audio forum, so they obviously have disposable income and are highly interested in audio.  And no other manufacturers (competitors) will reach them, except for other manufacturers willing to discount.  So near-exclusive marketing access to this group, and without having to pay for ads or have more employees in the advertising department.  Maybe that is worth on average 20% of the cost of a Naim unit?

As you said, just making up my little stories right on the spot....
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2012, 11:21:05 pm »

Let me say first that I don't mean it negative from any angle other than "I don't see how it works" (can work).

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Is it a risk for me because I may sell so many DAC against a too low price (way under cost price) ? no. Because I always first have that million (times x now). It can't go otherwise, and/but therefore that second year.

Those manufacturers (Naim and such) won't be doing this for free. It would even be so that they see that nobody who joins this will be seeing their ads anymore. Okay, big deal because they are supposed to buy the products now anyway. But why and how at this 20% discount. So, what's next ?

Because I can make up my little stories right on the spot (just did it again), I can't help myself wanting to see what's behind things. There has to be something because nobody is doing anything for free. Not in the real world, and that seems to be a real world to me.

Why am I typing about this ? I don't know. I'm intrigued.

Regards,
Peter

So one possible explanation is that we are smarter than Chris C and everyone at Naim.  Let's dismiss that at the outset (for my own part at least, I can provide you all manner of evidence that Chris C and lots of people at Naim must certainly be much smarter than me Happy.

So how can this work?  It must be something different between you and Naim.  One possibility is that the 20% represents the share of the cost per unit taken up by Naim's marketing budget, which they have in a big way and you do not.  This is not only the cost of ads themselves, but of the employees involved in marketing, their salaries and benefits, taxes paid on account of them, etc. 

These subscribers are a group of people who will pay $50 just to belong to a sub-group of an audio forum, so they obviously have disposable income and are highly interested in audio.  And no other manufacturers (competitors) will reach them, except for other manufacturers willing to discount.  So near-exclusive marketing access to this group, and without having to pay for ads or have more employees in the advertising department.  Maybe that is worth on average 20% of the cost of a Naim unit?

As you said, just making up my little stories right on the spot....

It all depends what they are selling.  Now Peter's idea of $1000 off his NOS DAC; well I'd love for you all to chip in and help me pay for it.  Subscribe to Peter's forum now!  Paypal money to this email addy severed@gmail.com

{We'll just do this direct and cut out the middle man.)
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2012, 07:40:15 am »

Haha. Your idea is even better.
Btw, if that's your real email address, you will at least receive an additional pile of spam. But when you're in for some viagra anyway, why not !
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