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I posted on Digi+ power management a few weeks ago with some screen shots giving a few “starter” settings. www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2664.0For me these Digi+ settings improved the musical presentation and were worthwhile but also slightly emphasised a “hardness” in the upper scales that I had been trying to get rid of for a while. I suspect that the Digi+ settings and my graphic card together were contributing to this hardness. When using the VGA output of the graphics card sound is rounded and full but with the hardness whilst using the DVI output there was a smoothness to the sound and no hardness but the sound was slightly “light”For a while now I have had an idea for a while that the frequency of movements of data within the PC can effect sound. Nothing new here, Peter has provided a lot of settings which control frequency of operations within the PC and has done masses of work under the covers addressing this stuff. Under clocking also gives very good results here. So Digi+ Bios settings needed to be optimised and it might be worthwhile working with under clocking and Bios frequencies. I'v been working with these thoughts in mind for a week or two and seem to have landed at a very sweet spot set of BIOS settings for the ASUS P9X79WS motherboard that I use. I know that a few members use this board (hi Brian, Mani  ) and the settings could be useful on other similar Asus MoBos, so I thought I would post the settings to see what people make of them. As I write they are making a really positive impact on SQ here. The changes are. A) Digi+ settings that limit the Digi+ functions ability to play about with Power and where frequencies are set in make these differ from each other to “spread” the frequency of power change to the process and memory etc. B) Underclock the CPU using the clock ratio (32 standard down to 18) and reduce memory speed but overclock the processor clock frequency slightly to shift the memory frequency away from the VGA card processor frequency of 800mhz. C) Tune XX settings to work well with the BIOS set up. the results are the best sound heard here to date by some way. I have placed XX settings in my signature and BIOS screen shots for the P9X79WS follow. Cheers, Nick |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 09:43:09 pm » |
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Hi Nick,
it seems that different clock frequencies for the mobo components are useful and that the correlation depends on the mobo itself. I tried the settings with two mobos with different equipment (RAM, graphics, etc.) and there are different values necessary. So it's an individual finetuning ...
Georg
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XXHE 2.10 - PC ASUS Sabertooth X99, passive Cooling / Seasonic P-400FL Platin / Core I7 6800K 6/12 cores scalable @1.2GHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.69 (max 0.69) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ 2GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Stop Desktop, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 35 / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On
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USB3 from MoBo -> 2m Belkin -> Intona (Standard) with external power supply -> Clairixia cable
USB3 from MoBo -> 0,5m Belkin USB3 -> ALLDAQ ADQ-USB 3.0-ISO-PS with external power supply -> 2m Belkin USB2 cable
-> WaveIO to dddac1794 or to Soekris DAM1021
-> SMSL SU-8 ES9038
-> 2x Gainclone -> TQWT 9710M/01 + BMS 4524 Horn
-> 2x Quad 405 rebuild as mono amps with Dada Electronics boards -> Quad ESL63 Pro
-> 2x Anaview ALC0300-1300 -> Original Celestion SL6 in concrete housing
-> 2x Neumann KH-120
-> Funk MTX Monitor -> AKG K701
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 10:59:55 pm » |
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Hi Nick,
it seems that different clock frequencies for the mobo components are useful and that the correlation depends on the mobo itself. I tried the settings with two mobos with different equipment (RAM, graphics, etc.) and there are different values necessary. So it's an individual finetuning ...
Georg
Hi Georg, Agreed values will be different for each mobo graphics card etc. The order I came at this to find the sweet spot was to underclocking first using the clock multiplier and running slow ram frequencies for best SQ. Then set the digi+ settings as described (but had to spend a little time researching the parameters) to try to stop the function making adjustments on the fly. Then tweak the digi+ frequencies so they are not all the same, and finally tweak the cpu frequency up just a little so that the the ram frequency was different to my vga card cpu. The settings should work for an asus mobo same as mine and possibly other x79 asus mobo chipsets. For other boards mileage may vary as they say but hopefully there may be something useful in the principles applied to decide on the settings. Hopefully Brian might be able to give the settings a go to see if they work for the same mobo in a different system. Cheers, Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 02:44:15 am » |
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Nick, will let you know how those settings sound here as soon as I get a chance to spend some time on it. Always appreciate your tweeks. I'm still getting used to the incredible difference the Seasonic PS has made. Many, many thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 08:07:25 am » |
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Hi Nick, I changed to a passive Seasonic PS too - it's worth every cent . Because the mounting holes of my computer case are at the top I turned the case upside down and turned the HD and DVD too. That works fine! Sooner or later I will get a new case  Cheers, Georg |
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XXHE 2.10 - PC ASUS Sabertooth X99, passive Cooling / Seasonic P-400FL Platin / Core I7 6800K 6/12 cores scalable @1.2GHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.69 (max 0.69) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ 2GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Stop Desktop, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 35 / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On
(Settings currently not stable)
USB3 from MoBo -> 2m Belkin -> Intona (Standard) with external power supply -> Clairixia cable
USB3 from MoBo -> 0,5m Belkin USB3 -> ALLDAQ ADQ-USB 3.0-ISO-PS with external power supply -> 2m Belkin USB2 cable
-> WaveIO to dddac1794 or to Soekris DAM1021
-> SMSL SU-8 ES9038
-> 2x Gainclone -> TQWT 9710M/01 + BMS 4524 Horn
-> 2x Quad 405 rebuild as mono amps with Dada Electronics boards -> Quad ESL63 Pro
-> 2x Anaview ALC0300-1300 -> Original Celestion SL6 in concrete housing
-> 2x Neumann KH-120
-> Funk MTX Monitor -> AKG K701
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2013, 10:59:02 am » |
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Hi Nick,
In my X58 Sabertooth the Load-Line Calibration has three settings: Auto, Disabled (Follow Intel Spec.) and Enabled (Improve VDroop directly). You set it to Regular (0%), is this the same as Disabled?
What´s your xQ1 value?
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2013, 01:39:12 pm » |
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Hey Nick , based on your signature I assume you are not using the APEXI card?
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 03:22:47 pm » |
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Hey Nick , based on your signature I assume you are not using the APEXI card?
Brain hi, No need for the APEXI card for a while now since I moved to W8 and particularly now with the Seasonic PSU. Still use the card as a diagnostic but not for normal listening. Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 09:44:13 pm » |
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My Asus mobo is antediluvian compared with yours Nick and so does not have the Digi+ feature. However I have under clocked by setting the CPU Ratio to 18. This is blind as I do not know what is max on my mobo (yet). I would say that there is a significant improvement but I have to be somewhat cautious because other things are changing in my system. The new S5's speakers are burning in and are changing rapidly hence the note of caution.
Yet another nice tweak though Nick I will investigate further when things in my system settle down further.
The S5's wow eeeee that is a whole other story - which is coming soon - watch this space!!!
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 10:24:20 pm » |
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Hi Nick,
In my X58 Sabertooth the Load-Line Calibration has three settings: Auto, Disabled (Follow Intel Spec.) and Enabled (Improve VDroop directly). You set it to Regular (0%), is this the same as Disabled?
What´s your xQ1 value?
Regards,
Juan
Juan hi, I would try "disabled" as the load line setting first. I don't think my BIOS has an xQ1 setting so I'm not sure what to set on this one, try a few values and have a listen. Cheers Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2013, 12:25:49 am » |
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Hey Nick, here are a few preliminary observations. After applying all underclocking and DIDGI+ settings you posted above, it seemed there was a slight improvement in clarity and dynamics, though I wasn't sure if this was placebo because it was not a significant difference. Previously I was using the "OC Tuner" option on the AI Tweaker tab main page, running the memmory at 1330 instead of 1600. However, I was very pleased that my cpu temps dropped by about 5 degrees centigrade: from around 40 to around 35. I then borrowed a monitor with a DVI input because my cheap Dell only has a VGA input. I was pretty shocked at the difference the dVI connection made. Definitely smoother and more relaxed! However, I only had about 20 minutes of listening time so I didn't do any fine tuning with XX settings. Will let you know more when I get a chance to know more.
Again thanks for sharing your tweaks!
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2013, 10:26:51 am » |
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Hi Nick,
What´s your xQ1 value?
Regards,
Juan
Juan hi, I don't think my BIOS has an xQ1 setting so I'm not sure what to set on this one, try a few values and have a listen. Cheers Nick. Hi Nick, the xQ1 value I was asking for is the one in XXHighEnd, I don´t see it in your signature. Regards, Juan |
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Audio Pc: Processor i7 970: 3200MHz (reduced to 1668MHz), 6+6 cores/ RAM Corsair DDR3, 24Gb, 1333MHz/ Mb Asus X58 Sabertooth/ OS and XXHE in Peter's RAM-Disk / The CPU fan is the only one in the Audio Pc: NF-S12A (600rpm/6.7db)/ No graphic card/ Power supply: Seasonic SS-400FL2, fanless. Configuration and Updates in HOW I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC... http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1673.0. This post is very old but maybe someone still find it useful XXHighEnd: 2.11a. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN/ KS:Phasure NOS1 Out 4.0/ #4 Engine/ Adaptive Mode/ Q1=10, Q3,4,5=1, xQ1=15/ Dev.Buffer: 4096/ ClockRes: 15ms/ Straight Contiguous/ SFS: 0.69 (max 0,69)/ Not Invert/ Phase Alignment Off/ Allow format change/ Decode HDCD/ Playerprio: Low/ ThreadPrio: Real Time/ Scheme: Core 3-5/ UnAttended/ Not Switch during Playback Off/ Playback Drive none/ UnAttended/ Include Garbage Collect/ Copy to XX Drive by standard/ Always clear Proxy before Playback/ Stop Desktop Services/ Stop Remaining Services/ Stop All Services: Off/ Keep LAN Services: On - Persist: Off/ Use Remote Desktop/ Minimize OS/ XTweaks : Balanced Load 35/ Nervous Rate 10/ Cool when Idle -/ Provide Stable Power 0/ Utilize Cores always 1/ Time Performance Index: Optimal / Time Stability: Stable / Arc Prediction/ Number of cores in use: 12 (máx. 6-12) Music Server PC (W10) totally silent with OS (W10) in SSD and music inside in SSDs - RDC > Ethernet Gigabyte cable 3m > Audio Pc > 1m USB Lush cable directly from the USB3.0 in the motherboard > PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 (Driver v1.0.4) 16ms > Blaxius BNC interconnects > Genelec 1037B 3-Way Active speakers with BNC inputs |
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2013, 12:24:15 pm » |
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Because the mounting holes of my computer case are at the top I turned the case upside down and turned the HD and DVD too. Thanks Georg. You turned me upside down too until I get a new case! Had a good "listen" last night. Best ever, one would think I mounted a turntable somewhere inside the PC. Is it the speed of DVI that makes such a difference? |
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2013, 01:33:23 pm » |
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Because the mounting holes of my computer case are at the top I turned the case upside down and turned the HD and DVD too. Thanks Georg. You turned me upside down too until I get a new case! From the Seasonic Owner´s Manual: "For Platinum-400 /460 /520 Fanless: The power supply unit must be mounted into the computer case with the ventilation top cover facing UP. Extra mounting screw holes, on the back of the power supply, are provided for reverse mounting, if necessary, to ensure the ventilation top cover is facing the proper direction" (The bold is mine) Juan |
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Audio Pc: Processor i7 970: 3200MHz (reduced to 1668MHz), 6+6 cores/ RAM Corsair DDR3, 24Gb, 1333MHz/ Mb Asus X58 Sabertooth/ OS and XXHE in Peter's RAM-Disk / The CPU fan is the only one in the Audio Pc: NF-S12A (600rpm/6.7db)/ No graphic card/ Power supply: Seasonic SS-400FL2, fanless. Configuration and Updates in HOW I'VE BUILT MY NEW PC... http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1673.0. This post is very old but maybe someone still find it useful XXHighEnd: 2.11a. Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN/ KS:Phasure NOS1 Out 4.0/ #4 Engine/ Adaptive Mode/ Q1=10, Q3,4,5=1, xQ1=15/ Dev.Buffer: 4096/ ClockRes: 15ms/ Straight Contiguous/ SFS: 0.69 (max 0,69)/ Not Invert/ Phase Alignment Off/ Allow format change/ Decode HDCD/ Playerprio: Low/ ThreadPrio: Real Time/ Scheme: Core 3-5/ UnAttended/ Not Switch during Playback Off/ Playback Drive none/ UnAttended/ Include Garbage Collect/ Copy to XX Drive by standard/ Always clear Proxy before Playback/ Stop Desktop Services/ Stop Remaining Services/ Stop All Services: Off/ Keep LAN Services: On - Persist: Off/ Use Remote Desktop/ Minimize OS/ XTweaks : Balanced Load 35/ Nervous Rate 10/ Cool when Idle -/ Provide Stable Power 0/ Utilize Cores always 1/ Time Performance Index: Optimal / Time Stability: Stable / Arc Prediction/ Number of cores in use: 12 (máx. 6-12) Music Server PC (W10) totally silent with OS (W10) in SSD and music inside in SSDs - RDC > Ethernet Gigabyte cable 3m > Audio Pc > 1m USB Lush cable directly from the USB3.0 in the motherboard > PHASURE NOS1a-75B-G3 (Driver v1.0.4) 16ms > Blaxius BNC interconnects > Genelec 1037B 3-Way Active speakers with BNC inputs |
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2013, 02:19:04 pm » |
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Thanks Juan. By turning the PC case upside down, I was able to follow exactly those Seasonic instructions. Now the PS is on the bottom of the case but by flipping it, the vent is on top with nothing obstructing it. |
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« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 05:34:35 pm » |
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Hi Nick,
What´s your xQ1 value?
Regards,
Juan
Juan hi, I don't think my BIOS has an xQ1 setting so I'm not sure what to set on this one, try a few values and have a listen. Cheers Nick. Hi Nick, the xQ1 value I was asking for is the one in XXHighEnd, I don´t see it in your signature. Regards, Juan Juan hi, Q1 of 10 with SFS at 1.6mb. Gives a very dynamic sound. Cheers, Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 07:25:21 pm » |
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Thanks Nick, I understand that you have both Q1 and xQ1=10. With your Q settings the minimum SFS I can get is 14Mb.
Following your changes in the BIOS I found these as my best settings:
CPU Frequency: 1995MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1066MHz
Best regards,
Juan
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« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 11:20:11 pm » |
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Thanks Nick, I understand that you have both Q1 and xQ1=10. With your Q settings the minimum SFS I can get is 14Mb.
Following your changes in the BIOS I found these as my best settings:
CPU Frequency: 1995MHz
DRAM Frequency: 1066MHz
Best regards,
Juan
Juan hi, Regards SFS, 14mb does not seem very low for the power of your PC. I had a problem a couple of times where I could not get SFS below 4 without breaks in music. I had to go back to full OS then re minimise in XX for another reason after I did this SFS worked down to 1.5mb. It might be worth trying this to see if you can go lower. Regards, Nick. |
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C621 motherboard, Xeon 40 thread CPU.
w10 14393 RAM OS => XX V2.10 / adaptive mode / XX buffer 4096 / NOS USB driver v 1.02 buffer 16ms / Q1,2,3,4,5 = 10,-,1,1,1 / xQ1 =15 / unattended / SFS 0.69Mb / memory straight continuous / system clock 15.0ms / Threadprio RealTime / Playerprio Low / CPU scheme 3-5 / 16x Arc Prediction / Peak Extend off / Phase alignment off / Phase off / XTweaks : Balanced Load 35 / Nervous Rate 10 (or15) / Cool when Idle n/a / Provide Stable Power 0 / Utilize Cores always 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability On => Lush USB cable => modified NOS1 USB DAC => no pre amp => Orelo active horn loudspeakers with modified bass channel DSPs.
Music server: X99, Xeon 28 thread PC.
System power two 3kva balanced tranformers with dedicated earth spur.
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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2013, 12:28:05 am » |
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Juan hi,
Regards SFS, 14mb does not seem very low for the power of your PC. I had a problem a couple of times where I could not get SFS below 4 without breaks in music. I had to go back to full OS then re minimise in XX for another reason after I did this SFS worked down to 1.5mb. It might be worth trying this to see if you can go lower.
Regards,
Nick
Hi Nick, I only can go that low with this Q settings: Q1:10, Q2,Q3,Q4:0, Q5:2 and xQ1:1This is the reason why I asked you what was your xQ1 (Q1 Factor) setting. With Q1:10 and xQ1:10 for me was impossible to go lower than SFS:14Mb Now, with the new settings I can go as low as SFS:1,4Mb Would you please check again your xQ1 setting?, I thing that must be a misunderstanding about it. Tomorrow I´ll play music at normal volume level to see the SQ with this settings, now is too late here. Best regards, Juan |
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2013, 05:25:56 pm » |
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Because the mounting holes of my computer case are at the top I turned the case upside down and turned the HD and DVD too. Thanks Georg. You turned me upside down too until I get a new case! Had a good "listen" last night. Best ever, one would think I mounted a turntable somewhere inside the PC. Is it the speed of DVI that makes such a difference? I will never use that sh*t VGA again. Without thinking about I connected the TV to the PC via the VGA interface. What a big mistake! When the monitor is connected via DVI the music is more analogue again and the locating phantastic. Many thanks for the reminder of the DVI interface Georg |
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XXHE 2.10 - PC ASUS Sabertooth X99, passive Cooling / Seasonic P-400FL Platin / Core I7 6800K 6/12 cores scalable @1.2GHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.69 (max 0.69) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ 2GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Stop Desktop, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 35 / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On
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USB3 from MoBo -> 2m Belkin -> Intona (Standard) with external power supply -> Clairixia cable
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-> WaveIO to dddac1794 or to Soekris DAM1021
-> SMSL SU-8 ES9038
-> 2x Gainclone -> TQWT 9710M/01 + BMS 4524 Horn
-> 2x Quad 405 rebuild as mono amps with Dada Electronics boards -> Quad ESL63 Pro
-> 2x Anaview ALC0300-1300 -> Original Celestion SL6 in concrete housing
-> 2x Neumann KH-120
-> Funk MTX Monitor -> AKG K701
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2013, 11:50:12 pm » |
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Many thanks for the reminder of the DVI interface ....to Nick! |
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2013, 07:38:28 am » |
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Yes, give credit where credit is due Georg |
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XXHE 2.10 - PC ASUS Sabertooth X99, passive Cooling / Seasonic P-400FL Platin / Core I7 6800K 6/12 cores scalable @1.2GHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.69 (max 0.69) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ 2GB RAMDisk (IMDisk) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Stop Desktop, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 35 / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On
(Settings currently not stable)
USB3 from MoBo -> 2m Belkin -> Intona (Standard) with external power supply -> Clairixia cable
USB3 from MoBo -> 0,5m Belkin USB3 -> ALLDAQ ADQ-USB 3.0-ISO-PS with external power supply -> 2m Belkin USB2 cable
-> WaveIO to dddac1794 or to Soekris DAM1021
-> SMSL SU-8 ES9038
-> 2x Gainclone -> TQWT 9710M/01 + BMS 4524 Horn
-> 2x Quad 405 rebuild as mono amps with Dada Electronics boards -> Quad ESL63 Pro
-> 2x Anaview ALC0300-1300 -> Original Celestion SL6 in concrete housing
-> 2x Neumann KH-120
-> Funk MTX Monitor -> AKG K701
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2013, 04:37:40 pm » |
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What I'm wondering is has the use of DVI for video operation been known to help SQ or, Nick, did you just stumble into this discovery? Really, it has been one of the most significant tweaks I've ever experienced with my system. Have others tried this too? Perhaps Nick, Georg and I happened to drink from the same batch of cool aide? It's sort of weird that others have had nothing to say about this.  |
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2013, 05:17:03 pm » |
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I've been using the DVI (and a fanless psu) from the very beginning. Coincidental ignorance I must admit, but it turned out right  . Stanley |
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September 2021: Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM/ XXHE 2.11 / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/1 / Q1Factor = 4/ Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 10ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 10.13 (max 10,13)/ No Filter/ not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Peak Extend Off /Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback/ UnAttended / All Services Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : 62, 1, -, 1, 1/ Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = On / Custom Filtering Low (16x) / -> Lush^3 USB-cable 70cm (A: W-Y-R-G, B: W-G) > Phasure NOS1a 75B G3 DAC, Driver v1.0.4) (16ms)/ Output via Balanced Blaxius BNC Interlinks > Audio Analogue Maestro monoblock amplifier > speakers: Apogee Acoustics Scintilla (custom rebuild).
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