"HD Music\Chicago\X" does not show up in library

[charliemb]

Hi Peter

"HD Music\Chicago\X" does not show up in the library.

The band is Chicago.  The Album name is X.

However, if I do a date search with D, it shows up.

It also shows up on the left pane if I navigate to the folder.

And in the same directory tree, the following albums do show up:
"HD Music\Chicago\Chicago II"
"HD Music\Chicago\Chicago V"

This is odd when you think of it because just typing in Chicago should show all.

And just typing in X still does not show it.

Makes we wonder how many other albums I have and can't see.

Any ideas?HD Music\Chicago\X

[PeterSt]

Hey Charlie,

Should be some issue with that one character only ?
So I guess it is solved by naming the album "Chicago X" which I think also is the official name ? So especially regarding this latter, is it allowed to be solved like this ?

I must say it is a bit puzzling that searching for this X doesn't present anything either ...

Peter

[charliemb]

Exactly         (...try it on your end)

Especially when you consider that I have, for example, the Mercury Living Presence Box set which I stored in a tree like this (and in the following example, just searching for MLP2 finds all):
HD Music\MLP2\CD01\{Artist}\{Album}
HD Music\MLP2\CD02\{Artist}\{Album}
HD Music\MLP2\CD03\{Artist}\{Album}
...
etc.

This means that searching will find any string in the directory tree should come up with results for all.

So searching for "Chicago" should find:
"HD Music\Chicago\{anything}"   where in this case {anything}=X.

[PeterSt]

This means that searching will find any string in the directory tree should come up with results for all.

Of course, that is how it's intended.
All I can tell is that once the album does not show up in the Library Area, the search for it won't find anything anyway (because it sort of physically searches in the Library Area).

It's on the ToDo list !
Thanks,
Peter

[charliemb]

All of this reminds me of another one that you've seen, or that I think you've seen.   When a directory includes the word "flac" in the string, the album shows up in the library, yes,  but the files do NOT load into the playlist.    I've seen this twice with the version in my sig (at the time of this writing it's the current version).

[PeterSt]

Charlie,

I know that "flac" issue, and I even solved that a few versions ago. Apparently though there's other combinations possible (of how that "flac" is obtained in the title). Can you give me an example of one which won't load ?

Thanks,
Peter

[charliemb]

Hi Peter

Yes,  I distinctly remember one.  It's an Adele album in 48KHz and 24 bits. 

The entire path name is now working correctly as:
D:\Music\HD Music\HD Backup Music\Adele\Live At The Royal Albert Hall 24bit 48Khz

From this path, I had removed the word FLAC in all caps and bare with no parenthesis around it nor brackets.  I only don't remember where it was;  probably it was on the very end.

[PeterSt]

Ah, ok. What I recall is that I anticipated on [FLAC] and (FLAC) (lower case as well), thinking it would be rather odd to have it just in there without parenthesis etc.  But either way when I'd remove that "FLAC" unjustiffied, everybody would only complain about the title not being correct (which a chance of zero anyway).

So will remove it.

Regards,
Peter

[PeterSt]

Charlie, about the "X" issue ...
I can't mimic that; Created something as you said, put that in a Gallery, but no problem.
I Also tried the Chicago - X version (in this setup Chicago will be the Artist Name and X the Album Name) but also OK.

Now I don't know what to do.

Peter

[PeterSt]

The "FLAC" issue has been solved for the next version (current is 0.9z-9b, 0.9z-9d for some).

Peter

[charliemb]

New clues, new information about this problem.

Firstly,  I now believe (almost know for sure) that this problem has nothing to do with FLAC in the folder name.  How do I know?

Well, I never did change the folder "HD Music\Chicago\X".  I left it as X.   So what?  Well, now it shows up!!!
Next, I downloaded a new title with folder name "D:\Music\HD Music\Cassandra Wilson\New Moon Daughter" and I have the same problem.  That being, it shows up if I use a date search using [D], but does not show up if I do a text search if I type in Cassandra or Wilson.   Other Cassandra Wilson albums show up, but not the new one.    ????   


But what do these two have in common?   Both were downloaded from HDTracks.com.   And recently from HDTRacks, downloads have no folder.jpg.  Instead they use embedded images.

But xxHE does not see the embedded images.  So I manually put folder.jpg there months after I first reported problems with "HD Music\Chicago\X".    So this could be why it now shows up,  because I manually created a folder.jpg.

And I still have no folder.jpg for Cassandra's latest album purchase, and as I said it doesn't show up.   
So, if I create a folder.jpg and suddenly it shows up,  then the lack of a folder.jpg file may prove to be the problem after all.  Though the above may prove to be enough to convince.

[charliemb]

Nope, copying a folder.jpg into the Cassandra Wilson folder did not make it visible.   So that hypothesis is incorrect.

[PeterSt]

Can't it be about "showing one too few" ?
If you just add one more album (of random artist, like Casandra Wilson was added in relation to Chicago), maybe then the Casandra Wilson album shows up ?

[charliemb]

I'm sure I've added at least one album since i first added Cassandra.  So i don't think that's it.

So maybe it is a matter of adding an extra Casandra Wilson album?

No, actually that can't be because I've not added any more Chicago albums since X.  ..and now X shows up.

???

[PeterSt]

Strange Charlie !

Can't this be about a UDF formatted disk ? in there all is strange (this is a sort of organization like CD).

[charliemb]

No it can't be udf.  These are hdd's and i used win 7 defaults when i formatted them.

[charliemb]

This is on a stock xxhe PC.

Today I have new data.

I went to play some HD classical and I went looking through the list of icons.  I could not find Exotic Dances, Minnesota orchestra.  It's there.  I know it's there, but i could not find it.  So i went looking on the left pane's file browser.  From there i found, selected and played it.  (that Minnesota Orchestra album had been in my collection for more than one year.)

After selecting and playing from the left pane, that album now shows up in searches and in the list of albums in the center.

That should be a strong hint for you.

At this point Casandra Wilson was still not showing up as before... so I looked her up on the left pane.  There I noticed that I had selected the last track to be in my Nice folder.  So that was not enough to recognize the album.  From this point I don't think I fully loaded her album from there.  I think I kept looking for other HD tracks that might not show up.

Next, what happened?  Now Cassandra Wilson's latest album shows up in searches and on the icon list of albums in the center pane.  I think I only clicked on the folder for the album on the left pane and the folder opened up.   That's all. 

This should be a stronger hint.

[charliemb]

I'd guess the problem is not with the search.  The problem appears to be that the albums are not listed in the center pane to begin with.  If albums are visible in the center pane, they also show up on search.  Opposite appears also to be true:  If albums are NOT visible in the center pane, they also DON'T show up on search.

- HDTracks may have something to do with it somehow.
- 44.1 never seems to have the problem.
- I've seen the problem once with a 48/24.

xxHE correctly ignores DSF.  Many DSF files are stored there in my file system and they correctly don't show up in the center pane.  Could it have something to do with this "ignoring" function?   Perhaps the ignoring is too aggressive?

[PeterSt]

Charlie,

Oh I am sure (100%) it is not related to search as such. I think I told you how it works earlier in the topic ? So, exactly as you say.

What definitely can be related is the structure as such. For example :

\Music\Jazz\Dizzy G.\[music files]
\Music\Marilyn M\[music files]

is not the best because not on the same level. But, should work. But with this as the example, you can have all sorts of sub folders to higher level ones for Coverart purposes up to your DSF example. Btw I recall ISO causing problems in your version - solved here now.

\Music\Jazz\Dizzy G.\[music files]
\Music\Jazz\Dizzy G.\Bonus\[music files]

This surely will go wrong.

Peter

[charliemb]

I will verify, but i am fairly certain that all that have problems have the following structure:

D: Music HDmusic (artist) (album) (music files)

I do have one iso file on the disk, not in these problematic folders.

[charliemb]

This post is to verify that the above post is accurate. The data structure for these albums is:

D:\Music\HDmusic\(artist)\(album)\(music files)

[Eric]

Hello Charlie,
did you check the file extension of all the music files?

Cheers,
Eric
 

[charliemb]

Thanks Eric

Just checked.  They are all lower case "flac".

[charliemb]

I'm starting to think that this could be a user error on my part.  At some point i started using the date feature [D].  If this applies, it started at around the time frame of the Chicago X "problem".  Once i started using the D button,i may have started not explicitly refreshing the file list, manually.  The M and N buttons might also have confounded because or if they refresh the list and i use them inconsistently, then it can cause missing albums also inconsistently.

The flac problems were real for sure.

What are the "official"ways to refresh the list?

[PeterSt]

Aha ...

Charlie, what I recognize from my own situation here, is that the "cache" used for those M and N and the other buttons in that left section - is not refreshed when albums are added. Well, now I think of it, what I mentioned is for sure, but I'm merely talking about Galleries. So, add e.g. a track with Alt-z to the Demo Gallery, and it won't appear until you use the Search button at the bottom and then it will be explicitly obtained from disk instead of that cache (which is a file) and will be put into the cache automatically.

This Gallery stuff is on my ToDo list because it possibly can be solved (but not easy) but normal Original Locations ... impossible. So, there will be no means that the system can detect that you shovled in a new album somewhere. Theoretical solution : have an option somewhere to never use that cache. But is it ? now it will always take as long as with using the Search button. Good for 1000 albums, but not for 10K+.

Anyway, I'm sure that you found the issue yourself. Nice work.
Regards,
Peter

[charliemb]

Wait wait wait wait a minute!  For sure searching does not refresh the list.why? Because search is how discovered the problem to begin with.I would search and the album wouldn't show up.

The only way to explain this discrepancy is if the top search bar works differently than the bottom search bar.  does it?

Btw ,  i don't use galleries; except for alt c and alt z.

[PeterSt]

Charlie, my "search" was about pressing that Search button. Nothing entered in either field (which, yes, do exactly the same).

Peter