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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2014, 02:32:42 pm »

We'll put the outcome of the "repair" in this topic.

Because I have to leave in a couple of minutes :

Mani's DSP is working again. Not completely as intended yet at this moment, but at least nothing is damaged or something.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2014, 02:41:54 pm »

I think I've blown the DSP unit.

No, not a blown DSP unit at all... just inconsistent DSP software by the look of things. Anyway, the filter changes in Peter's original post are now all applied. I'll write a more detailed post about my feelings on the SQ after I've had a prolonged listen, but early thoughts are very positive.

Mani.

PS. Massive thank you to Peter for taking up his Sunday morning to help me out via email.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2014, 04:24:28 pm »

First thoughts...

I really like the overall LF/MF/HF balance. A much smoother sound and easier to listen to. BUT...

... The transients seem lost - almost too smooth. Everything seems rounded. Reminds me a bit of the typical 'DSD sound' - very pleasant to listen to, but not 'real' sounding.

So overall, I'd like a mix of this and the original filter. If I had to choose between the two right now, it'd be a hard decision, but I'd probably go for the original filter because it draws me into the music more (even though it's harder on the ears).

Might moving the horn 40mm in or out help to 'sharpen' the sound? I'll give it a go later...

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2014, 07:36:39 pm »

Mani,

You are completely correct. But this is the effect of adding bass. Do notice though that both this and the BNC cable add to this, while the BNC cable inherently improves on the balance. Still it is my own idea - after listening to the combination of the both for 5 days now, that I (right now) will revert to the original setting (and the BNC cable) to see what happens with that.

So my general remark too, is that things get too soft from it (not because of "deep down earth bass" now) and that for some types of music it clearly sounds overdone.

With all this, try to keep in mind that if I myself would have been in lack of bass or anything, I would have changed things springing from my own ideas about it. All I do though is try to satisfy the (very soft), say, complaints about too few bass or whatever the lack is exactly.
Before listening to the original setting I tend to agree that it will be somewhere in the middle now, because the "more bass" surely has something.

Anyway, no real disagreement !

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2014, 08:13:15 am »

Had a few hours listening with the new setting, first impression is very posetive, more bass/fuller sound witch I prefer.
At the same time I also installed 2 meter IC and new power cords (from juan) witch also most likely had some effect on the sound. Will change back to the original settings later to compare.

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2014, 09:45:42 am »

Changed back to original setting today.
Have been away a week (vacation in Paris) and after playing a few hours today, I experienced the sound a bit more wooly then before.

Think I prefer the original setting over the "want some bass" tweak. It is really a big difference. Will give it some time before changing to the WIN8 setting again.

Nice to have this possibility. Several preset might be needed maybe?? Happy
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2014, 09:40:24 am »

Still with the original filter and now I find the bass heavy enough....  Happy I did adjust the attenuation to -24db, think I will change to -24,5 Bass weight have just changed a lot from new. Have also started to adjust a little on position of the speakers.Had some toe in until now, changed to no toe and think I prefer that. (very big change....)

Edit; can also be that my ears are getting used to the new bass sound with no distortion...  grazy
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2014, 10:22:55 am »

Thank you for all your reports Kjell Narve.

I myself am 100% definitely back to the base settings. I just wrote a bit (in between the lines) about it in the BNC cable topic.

So I have been listening to the "more bass" from this topic here as long as the topic exists, and prior to that the other settings (DSP Twip topic), and now back to base, it is (indeed ???) like there's only MORE bass coming from that base (way more lean) setting. I guess we are able to dig out the quality of it, with the notice that the "more bass" is more bass alright, but not a better quality (IMHO).
But otherwise more things changed (see BNC topic) and it can well be that for me it is about that. Anyway, net I have more bass than ever before. And of the very best quality (this can be subjective of course).

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2014, 10:49:00 am »

Prefere the original setting. I am using low capasistance interconnects from juan, planning to test BNC IC, btw is that somthing Phasure can deliver? Would be nice to have exactly same type..  Happy
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2014, 11:32:03 am »


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btw is that somthing Phasure can deliver? Would be nice to have exactly same type..  Happy

I put some (Yes) answer in the BNC topic : Re: Cables with BNC Connectors/Adapters Are Generating A Superoir SQ.

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Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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