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« on: July 29, 2015, 09:31:34 am »

Hi,
A friend of mine pointed me to this thread:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_devices/audio-issues-with-windows-10-please-read-this/18f62169-f660-4580-bd62-e7c029adada2?auth=1&Ocid=%23Outbound%20-%20Campaign_Social_TWITTER_windowsinsider_20150709_206177300&linkId=15426061

Which could mean that newer builds of W10 might be as good as 'our' 10074 build?

regards, Arjan
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Music Server (old PC) RDC to Mach II Stealth 14393 RAM-OS / no videocard / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/3/4/5 = 30/0/1/1/ Q1Factor = 40 (Dev.Buffer = 4096) / ClockRes = 0.5ms / SFS = 5.19 Mx = 120 Straight Contiguous / driver buffer 16ms / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = High / Scheme = 3-5 / Unattended / Minimize OS / PeakExtend off / Arc Prediction / NO custom filter / 16x Upsampling / XTweaks 38 (turbo boost off in bios and cpu ratio 24!),1,-,0,1/with coverart / --> mobo USB --> The Lush 100 cm --> NOS1a 75B --> Blaxius --> bnc amps Jadis JA30 (modified and with the best tubes) --> Speakers
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2015, 09:53:26 am »

Hi Arjan,

Are you sure you posted the proper link ?
All I see in there is pretty standard text.

Notice that this focuses on audio problems which 95% of people have/had with the older builds, like 10074. But this is all about "no sound" usually from the MoBo audio hardware.

Btw, we can now have fun with people trying to get the RTM running. I did not see anyone yet (following this type of forums). But it could be soon now. Of course not for all those who found their update failed. OR/AND, those who already found their W7/W8 to be out of order, not being able to toll back to that.

STAY AWAY FROM THE RTM !
Or at least wait until all settled down and works (could be 2017 Wink).

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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 10:47:03 am »

Hi Peter,

The link is okay I think, and if it is standard text or not I do not know. (for me it is all new....)
What me made thinking was that the text is talking about build 130-162 having issues. And we are on 074 so before that! Maybe build 166 and on is as good as 074 again? Just hoping......

But for now I am happy with build 074 and will stay away from RTM for my audio pc it is.

regards, Arjan
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Music Server (old PC) RDC to Mach II Stealth 14393 RAM-OS / no videocard / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/3/4/5 = 30/0/1/1/ Q1Factor = 40 (Dev.Buffer = 4096) / ClockRes = 0.5ms / SFS = 5.19 Mx = 120 Straight Contiguous / driver buffer 16ms / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = High / Scheme = 3-5 / Unattended / Minimize OS / PeakExtend off / Arc Prediction / NO custom filter / 16x Upsampling / XTweaks 38 (turbo boost off in bios and cpu ratio 24!),1,-,0,1/with coverart / --> mobo USB --> The Lush 100 cm --> NOS1a 75B --> Blaxius --> bnc amps Jadis JA30 (modified and with the best tubes) --> Speakers
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 10:15:56 am »

HI,

W10 is running on my office PC without any problems. Will make some tests during the day with some audio programs. There is a possibility in W10 to postpone updates.

Joachim
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2015, 10:40:00 am »

HI,

W10 is running on my office PC without any problems. Will make some tests during the day with some audio programs. There is a possibility in W10 to postpone updates.

Joachim

XXH is running with the W10 "on board" audio driver smoothly. No problems until now.

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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2015, 12:48:28 pm »

Hi Joachim,

Thanks for opening the way to many of us Happy From what I read about Windows 10, there still seems to be obscure aspects where some questions are still present.

The fact that the Windows update was not in the plans for Win10 is concerning and the fact that the upgrade is free adds mystery (for me). For years now I do not have my audio PC connected on the internet and I believe that many of us have it the same way. I wonder though how Windows will react when updates cannot be done. There is supposed to be a program that can be downloaded to help regain some control on the updates, but the fact that they have removed this control initially is strange...

It seems to me that the more we advance in time, the less control we have over the OS. I am not sure if I am putting this with the right words...

Alain

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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2015, 01:16:40 pm »

Hi Joachim,

Thanks for opening the way to many of us Happy From what I read about Windows 10, there still seems to be obscure aspects where some questions are still present.

The fact that the Windows update was not in the plans for Win10 is concerning and the fact that the upgrade is free adds mystery (for me). For years now I do not have my audio PC connected on the internet and I believe that many of us have it the same way. I wonder though how Windows will react when updates cannot be done. There is supposed to be a program that can be downloaded to help regain some control on the updates, but the fact that they have removed this control initially is strange...

It seems to me that the more we advance in time, the less control we have over the OS. I am not sure if I am putting this with the right words...

Alain

Hi Alain,

we have to upgrade (with a hell of work) our W8.0 to 8.1 with ALL updates, and then a clean installation of W10 is an alternative. (keep or  not keep personal files) Via the German IT magazine (homepage) "CHIP" an ISO file of W10 to obtain is possible.
I believe, when we are disconnecting the internet connection after activating XXH W10 should run in the same routine as W8, but we have to see.

Joachim

P.S. What is going on with the upgrade from W7 to W10 I don't know,  but all updates have to be installed to.

Just thinking, when we have the ISO file CD we can test if the updates are mandatory.  The activation of W10 occurs automatically (in my case).
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2015, 05:02:55 pm »

Office PC with W10 connected with NOS1. XXH 2.02 (in the test mode) is running without any "hickups". Sound is different, I have to listen more for an evaluation.

Joachim
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 05:16:13 pm »

What I'm hearing sounds great. SQ is very balanced, nothing "springs" out. More details, good bass and nice highs. W10 seems to be a step in the right direction.

Joachim

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2015, 05:47:58 pm »

Thank you for keeping track on that, Joachim.

Too bad that the chance that people will have a working Windws 10 PC (build 10240 or higher) is close to zero (at least at this moment).

The actually only official MS forum about it :

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10?tab=Threads&auth=1
(where you won't get answers anyway, ever Wink)
(btw doesn't work well on a somewhat older IE browser)

is totally swamped with, of course, all the very same errors and things which occurred the last two months (trust me - I have been following this).
It is totally ridiculous what Microsoft has been doing.
If you're on page 30 of this, it is still about new topics from one hour old and nobody receives any anwers. Not even views.

Everybody who is going to try this, is on his own AND will be completely stuck. Just read in there ...

Anyway, keep us informed about the SQ, Joachim !
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2015, 06:56:48 pm »

Hi,

strange, on my office PC all programs (Office package, Audiogate, Kaspersky antivirus, Adobe Acrobat, Wimp etc.) are running quite well.
All programms have to be reinstalled, but this is nothing different to other Windows updates over the last years.

On the audio PC XXH and a RAM program shall be installed, nothing more, and I will test this on the laptop now. We will see.  scratchingwhistle  grazy

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2015, 08:59:25 pm »

 whistle whistle whistle

W10 and XXH installed on the laptop and with some changes of the settings within the "unit manager" (Gerätemanager) XXH is running. Very different SQ to the PC (was wall of sound Happy.
Primo Ramdisk program is working.
When XXH is activated I'll go back to my old settings and hear .... .

Joachim
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2015, 10:21:55 pm »

Oh, Oh,

problems are appearing with W10, Start button not in operation anymore, Outlook does not store files in the "txt" format, and, and ..... .

Joachim
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2015, 10:55:17 pm »

Better not look for 10074 replacement, rather look how to keep it 'Going Strong'.

W10 & privacy? That word is not known to Cortana ...
http://prntscr.com/7ykzbh
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« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2015, 12:55:35 am »

 Grin whistle Tongue

back to W8.1 on the office PC within 10 minutes with all previous programs installed. (was a piece of cake!) W10 is not stable. (Peters note hit the ...... !)

Joachim

P.S. Will play music with the W10 laptop late today. There seems to be a problem with the activation, no red letters, but the "locked" settings can be changed/adjusted.
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