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PaulF70
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« on: May 18, 2016, 06:13:05 am »

When I reboot the machine via RDC, RDC cannot connect again until I log in directly.  This means that I cannot run it headless, or at least have to connect a monitor & keyboard when rebooting.  This seems most inconvenient - is there a way around it anyone knows?

(Yes, I'm a Windows newb, having used nothing but Mac OS X for over 10 years now.  Macs do not behave this way with Screen Sharing, but then it's apparent that RDC is fundamentally different than Screen Sharing: With RDC you're actually logging into the machine again, not just controlling the screen remotely.)
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2016, 06:42:43 am »

Paul,

Do you have something like an iPad around ? At least that is used by people (did that over here as well). So if you have the same issues with that, it must be some pilot error.
Also, people don't have much reason to control XXHighEnd remotely by a Mini or something (at least that is what I think). IOW, we might not have the experience you seek. With an iPad (or other tablet or even phone) this is a different matter.

I'd say that Remote Desktop (for Mac) is just that, but maybe it is not. You are using the Microsoft product, right ?
RD is working as smooth (if not smoother) than RDC itself. Also on Android.

Peter

PS: No, "we" don't need to log in. Only a first time, but check (somewhere) that asking for the Credentials should not happen a next time.
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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 09:27:52 am »

I now see that my remark about the iPad isn't much viable. So never mind that test.
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2016, 10:13:15 am »

Hi Paul,

You have to set automatic log-in into your (headless) audio-PC.
Follow this link and read / apply 'Method 2": http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-automatically-login-in-windows-10/

George

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2016, 04:23:21 pm »

Do you have something like an iPad around ? At least that is used by people (did that over here as well). So if you have the same issues with that, it must be some pilot error.
 
Also, people don't have much reason to control XXHighEnd remotely by a Mini or something (at least that is what I think). IOW, we might not have the experience you seek. With an iPad (or other tablet or even phone) this is a different matter.

I'm using my Mac laptop, as I've said.  I've never indicated I was trying to control the PC from a Mini - what I have said is that my former music server was a Mini.  The Mini is in the box now.

All kinds of people use Mac laptops around the house, of course.  They are hugely popular, at least in this country.  I prefer a laptop to a tablet as its far more versatile.


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I'd say that Remote Desktop (for Mac) is just that, but maybe it is not. You are using the Microsoft product, right ?
RD is working as smooth (if not smoother) than RDC itself. Also on Android.

Yes, Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac.  (As for the "RDC" acronym - perhaps that has a different meaning!  My bad there.)


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PS: No, "we" don't need to log in. Only a first time, but check (somewhere) that asking for the Credentials should not happen a next time.

This is what I'm talking about: If I have the monitor (that I still have connected to the Phasure PC for the time being) on, and logged in, *when I start MS RD on the Mac that session on the PC is closed*.  The monitor goes back to the login screen.  So clearly the system is not allowing simultaneous control or simultaneous login.  This isn't necessarily good or bad; just an observation.

So, I don't think I have an odd use case here at all, but probably I am missing something regarding Windows/Remote Desktop.
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2016, 04:25:20 pm »

Hi Paul,

You have to set automatic log-in into your (headless) audio-PC.
Follow this link and read / apply 'Method 2": http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-automatically-login-in-windows-10/

George



Indeed that must be the little nugget missing!  Thanks.

EDIT: I have to ask, why won't Method 1 work?  (Best not to touch Regedit unless necessary, eh?)
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2016, 05:31:19 pm »

Hey Paul,

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I'm using my Mac laptop, as I've said.

Did you ? scratching

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I've never indicated I was trying to control the PC from a Mini.

Hugely important (not Happy). The importance is that this is OSX and not IOS. This with the notice that RD for both will be different and I dn't know the OSX situation. Hopefully others do.

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*when I start MS RD on the Mac that session on the PC is closed*.  The monitor goes back to the login screen.  So clearly the system is not allowing simultaneous control or simultaneous login.

Wrong conclusion that that's related. This happens all the time everywhere (unless you use Windows Terminal Server, which is not applicable here, or hack a few things (also a no-go)).
Trust me that I never log in anywhere, but as said, the system does that for you (if all is right and when RD for the Mac allows for it which I don't know).

If Georg's trick works, all is fine of course.

One thing in addition :
Each time I restart the RDC connection from a Windows tablet (but after a (settable) time), RDC asks for the UserID and Password. This is NOT related to what your issue is, but it happens anyway (at least that is what I think). Press Cancel there and you're in ...

Peter

PS: Be careful that you did not answer questions like this :
a. Automatically apply these credentials ? (Paul answers No);
b. Ask this the next time ? (Paul answers No).
because now you're cornered. And these things DO exist (in Windows they do, and such questions can come from the Windows (remote) screen).
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2016, 06:26:27 pm »

... EDIT: I have to ask, why won't Method 1 work?  (Best not to touch Regedit unless necessary, eh?)

Hi again Paul. It is better and I could even say 'obligatory' logging in with password.
Not so important for 'audioPC' itself, however, you have your music stored on other PC/NAS/USB/etc. 'storage' and without authenticated login, XXHE will not be able
to write meta-data info in such music folders. Plus, you will not be able to fully control files / folders from 'audioPC' (via RDC). Practical meaning: if you decide f.e. to
change or resize some album photo, you will not have sufficient rights on remote HDD's. You will not be able to create new folder, change name or delete existing one's.
All things you normally do via 'Windows Explorer'
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2016, 09:07:51 pm »

Ah, I see: Method 1 bypasses auth altogether.  Yeah, not good.
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