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« on: September 20, 2017, 04:11:16 am »

Peter,

In unattended mode, with "Don't do anything with Coverart" checked, 2.04 always left me with a completely black screen during playback. However, after applying the 2.07 patch, in unattended mode the desktop icons and wallpaper all disappear as before, but the blue background color still remains.

Since I am using W10 Build 10074, there is no provision for turning the background black by itself and I find the background color to be distracting. No settings were changed from 2.04. Is there something that I'm missing? I only play .wav files ripped from CD's.

Thanks in advance!
Joseph
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XXHE 2.11a / Windows 10 Pro x64, Build 10586.0 / i7-2600S / Hyperthreading On / Running 4 out of 8 cores / 16GB RAM / Engine#4 / KS Adaptive Mode / Buffer = 1024 / Clock Res = 1ms / XTweaks Settings: 43 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 / Proc Core Scheme 3-5 / Player Priority = Low / Thread Priority = Realtime / Memory = Straight Contiguous / SFS = 10.13 (Max = 10.13) / Include Garbage Collect / Copy to XX-Drive (SSD) / Unattended / Stop Desktop Services, Stop Remaining Services, Stop WASAPI Services, Stop ALL Services, Stop W10 Services / Do Not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Time Stability = Stable / Time Performance Index = Optimum / Custom Filter = Low 705600 / Don't do anything with Cover Art / Normalize On / Digital Volume = -6.0dB / Q1=0, xQ1=0, Q3=0, Q4=0, Q5=0 / Majority Clean 2.84

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2017, 07:04:40 pm »

Hi Joseph,

a. Did you apply the 2.07 patch directly to 2.04 ?

b. If you'd use Coverart, everything is fine ? (black background with Coverart or the large X logo when not present)

I don't recognize this, but I always use Coverart ...

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 11:38:56 pm »

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a. Did you apply the 2.07 patch directly to 2.04 ?

Hi, Peter,

First I applied the 2.06 upgrade patch over 2.04. I tested it to make sure the license still worked and played some music. Then I applied the 2.07 upgrade patch to 2.06, all in the same folder.

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b. If you'd use Coverart, everything is fine ? (black background with Coverart or the large X logo when not present)

Yes, that worked OK.

I spent more time experimenting today and was able to get the background to disappear as usual with the OS minimized in unattended mode. However, I am not sure if I cured the problem or if the program corrected itself.

First I only checked "Stop Desktop Services" and allowed all of the remaining services to function as usual. Now, in unattended play, the background disappeared along with the wallpaper and icons.

When the GUI came back, I stopped all of the other services and voilà, with the OS minimized, everything worked as before under 2.04 -- the desktop, icons, and background all disappeared during play. My only conclusion is that the PC had forgotten how to perform a complete shutdown of desktop services and had to be shown how to do it separately from the other services. This does not really make sense to me, but at least the problem is solved.

One unrelated issue with 2.07 remains, but I will post that separately in a few days.

Thanks for your support!
Joseph
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Audio System:

StarTech USB 3.0 Card w/outboard Regulated Linear Power Supply >  UltraFi DAC-41 w/outboard Regulated Linear Power Supply > Passive Preamp > 300B DHT SET Mono Amps > 15" Tannoy 3808 OB Main Speakers + Velodyne ULD-15 Subwoofers
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 08:59:33 am »

Joseph,

Try to envision that all works relative; So there is a state, and that state needs to change relative to how it currently is. But, the change itself anticipates that. Example of how it will not work : make a new kind of change with MinOS active and when now going to Normal OS, something goes wrong because normal OS is the base of it all. Read : such changes should be made in (applied to) Normal OS and only then all will be consistent and will be consistently working after that (going back and forth to MinOS).

I am sure this is totally unclear, but to me it would tell that what you experienced can very well be "normal" (and includes a bit of pilot error, so to speak).

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Peter
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 08:51:22 pm »

Hi, Peter,

I think I understand what you are saying.

I usually make adjustments in MaxOS and then go to MinOS, so I am still not sure how the problem was solved.

Thank you, again, for your attention. BTW, the SQ in 2.07 is outstanding! It is amazing that you can keep making improvements like this.

Cheers,
Joseph
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XXHE 2.11a / Windows 10 Pro x64, Build 10586.0 / i7-2600S / Hyperthreading On / Running 4 out of 8 cores / 16GB RAM / Engine#4 / KS Adaptive Mode / Buffer = 1024 / Clock Res = 1ms / XTweaks Settings: 43 - 1 - 1 - 1 - 1 / Proc Core Scheme 3-5 / Player Priority = Low / Thread Priority = Realtime / Memory = Straight Contiguous / SFS = 10.13 (Max = 10.13) / Include Garbage Collect / Copy to XX-Drive (SSD) / Unattended / Stop Desktop Services, Stop Remaining Services, Stop WASAPI Services, Stop ALL Services, Stop W10 Services / Do Not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Time Stability = Stable / Time Performance Index = Optimum / Custom Filter = Low 705600 / Don't do anything with Cover Art / Normalize On / Digital Volume = -6.0dB / Q1=0, xQ1=0, Q3=0, Q4=0, Q5=0 / Majority Clean 2.84

Audio System:

StarTech USB 3.0 Card w/outboard Regulated Linear Power Supply >  UltraFi DAC-41 w/outboard Regulated Linear Power Supply > Passive Preamp > 300B DHT SET Mono Amps > 15" Tannoy 3808 OB Main Speakers + Velodyne ULD-15 Subwoofers
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 09:12:09 am »

Thank you Joseph,
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For the Stealth III LPS PC :
W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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