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Robert
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« on: November 03, 2017, 01:09:59 am »

I have the original 500g Sata drive.

Has anyone compared this with the current 240g SSD drive for sound benefits?

Is there any advantage in using the SSD over the Sata?

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 05:47:20 am »

Not that I have noticed, but I have not been listening for it either.  Two days ago I changed from the RAM-OS HDD to SSD in order to get more rapid startups...they both sound fantastic!  I would use the SSD just for the quicker boot time with a 24gb OS load...

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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 07:12:16 am »

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Has anyone compared this with the current 240g SSD drive for sound benefits?

Hi Robert,

There is no such thing as the "current" SSD. The SSD is for 32GB of internal PC memory and the HDD is for 16GB. The SSD can not be tweaked into 16GB usage (or otherwise the description is too long to bear) and the HDD can be tweaked for 32GB usage, but now the boot time is virtually too long (think twice the time you are used to).

Both are as current, and/but the SSD alwas comes with the Stealth PC. Well, as long as it takes because of the memory price for it (started out as 70euro or something and now is already 500 !!!).

If there's a different in sound from the two I'll eat something, BUT the implied memory usage (thus different for the both) is something which sure can matter. On one hand, the less memory the better (less current draw and such) and on the other, the more memory space for the OS (and for you) the better.

So as you see, a good question after all.

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Peter
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 09:32:59 am »

I have tweaked my HDD for 32GB and you are right it takes a good 5 minutes to boot into Ram. Is it possible for me to transfer easily mine from the HDD to an SSD?

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 10:47:49 am »

I have tweaked my HDD for 32GB and you are right it takes a good 5 minutes to boot into Ram. Is it possible for me to transfer easily mine from the HDD to an SSD?

Robert

Yep.  I did it to a smaller SSD and it worked fine and I even removed some of the os's because I am unlikely to use them.  They are still on the HDD if I ever need them though.

Peter may not want the method shared on the forum though...I made my own method without Peters help and it worked first go but maybe Peter should chime in and let us know how he would like us to proceed.
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Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Buffer 4096 / Q1/3/4/5 = 14/1/1/1 / xQ1 = 1 / Processor Core Appointment Scheme = Core 1-3 / PlayerPrio = Low / ThreadPrio = RealTime / ClockRes = 1ms / Not Switch during playback = off / Xtweaks Balanced Load = 43 / Nervous Rate = 100 / Cool when idle = 1 / Provide stable power = 0 / Utilize cores always = 1 / Time Stability = Stable / Time Performance Index = Optimal / SFS 0.90MB Max 120MB / Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect = on / Start Playback during conversion = off / Do not start playback at all = off / Copy to XX-drive by standard = on / Always clear Proxy before Playback = on / Stop Remaining Desktop Services = on / Stop Desktop Services = on / Stop Remaining Services = on / Stop WASAPI Services = on / Stop W10 Services = off / Keep LAN Services = on / Persist = off / Use Remote Desktop = on/ Arc Predict / Minimize OS = on / Peak Extend = off / Unattended

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 05:29:01 pm »

Hi Anthony,

Oh, as long as nobody is going to take advantage of this and starts his own RAM-OS Disk sales point, I gues I can not object.
... No, not a good idea. At some stage it may go wrong after all (one is enough) and then who is to blame ? Point is, I can't grant it Anthony/Robert for this one time and say No to a next. Of course this NOT related to trust (not at all - the contrary because how can I think differently when Anthony very politely asks) but mind you, it would be quite 100% the same as explaining to someone how he for this one time can avoid XXHE Activation by explaining what to do.

Hopefully it is clear that this is not about normal $ income missing, because 100% the same as with the Stealth PC - someone who already owns the RAM-OS Disk (hdd) pays 0.00 for the SSD version of it. That internally the SSD costs 55 or 60 is because it just costs that (empty). So for anyone counts that they could have an SSD for the normal SSD price - it is only too bad that the shipping $ is in order.

So the above (stroke through now) really was my genuine idea about it, but at thinking over the "baming" which could happen at some stage, it is by far better if no-one can be blamed ever, and the first would be Anthony and the next Robert (but both equally). Would I want that ? (and even if you yourself wouldn't care, I will all the more).

Sorry for the long story !
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Peter


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W10-14393.0 - November 13, 2017 (2.09)
XXHighEnd Mach II Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon E5 2640v4 with Hyperthreading On (20 cores) @~720MHz, 32GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = *30*/-/*1*/*1*/*1*/ Q1Factor = *40* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *15ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *0.90*  (max 120) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / *OSD Off* / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 43 / Nervous Rate = 100 / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Custom Filtering Highest for 705600* / Always Clear Proxy before Playbck = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (*8ms*) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 05:43:12 pm »

I purchased a RAM-OS HDD from Peter when he first started offering it, and used it for a while in the home-made audio PC in my main system. When I purchased a Stealth Mach II it came with an SSD, and I started using the original HDD in the home-made audio PC in my office system. Irrespective of whether it's an HDD or SSD, I can't imagine there could be any difference in SQ once either is booted into RAM-OS and the HDD/SSD removed from the audio PC.

Does anyone use base-OS (with the HDD/SSD necessarily remaining in the audio PC) vs. RAM-OS (with the HDD/SSD removed from the audio PC)?

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