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« on: April 15, 2018, 09:01:13 pm »

Hi gang
No, this is not a review of the last episode of Star Trek! I too noticed a drop in bass, as though my virtual bassist had been moved to the back of the stage. My Crazy A's from Bert have a dial on the back which could have restored his position but this had to be software related so I took a stab at Nervous Rate. Unaware what it really does I set it at 100 instead of 1, first time lucky, my bassist is not only back but with a quality of bass on a par with the top end improvements. This prompted a search in the 2.10 notes & it transpires that Nervous Rate set itself to 100 by default in previous versions, a bug that is now corrected! I have been backwards & forwards & my opinion remains the same. Try it....

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 07:05:15 am »

Nervous rate 100 is the opposite of 18 practically, I experienced a noticeable lacking in all sound areas at this old setting. Less bass and treble.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 08:28:22 am »

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Nervous rate 100 is the opposite of 18 practically

High Robert. As always, thank you foryour input !
Btw, I noticed that the number "18" is not from the Nervous Rate anywhere (though you can set it alright). The 18 is from the Balanced Load. This too can be set at 100 ... but that is really not advised (really not for technical reasons).
So we do talk about the same, right ?

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 08:34:22 am »

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Unaware what it really does I set it at 100 instead of 1, first time lucky, my bassist is not only back but with a quality of bass on a par with the top end improvements.

Hey Jack,

Yes, that can *very* well be the issue for those who experience less bass. So I guess I am guilty to come up with the setting of 10 (I just tried that and nothing else) which was even prior to 2.10 being out -2.10 allowing for it- but let's say that this brings the super clear sound.
... which is almost opposite off "more bass" ...

I will also add that Robert can be nright just the same, because indeed the 10 value brings more treble but the bass I can not judge because of other reasons. My bass is completely different anyway - so different that nothing compares (old references are invalidated).

Now I am curious for Robert's response ...

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Peter
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XXHighEnd Mach *III* Stealth LPS PC -> *Xeon Scalable 14/28 core* with Hyperthreading On (*set to 10/20 cores*) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *140.19*  (max 140.19) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *35* / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Custom Filtering 705600 - 2nd (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> *Lush^2* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 11:33:46 am »

Actually I did try balanced load at 100 not the Nervous rate. My mistake but will try that tomorrow.

Certainly don't recommend 100 balanced load.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 08:46:43 pm »

No Peter, this is not the opposite of anything. It has an ambient quality that in no way "interferes" with the top end. But if a thump is called for, Look out! Talvin Singh, Left Field & Massive Attack are popular right now.
I think I'm in love....
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 03:54:23 am »

Have to say Jack, Nervous rate at 100 does change things for the better I think.

I really have no idea what these settings do one can only try changing them and listening. The Nervous rate at 100 gave an immediate 1db in peak volume at the same volume setting compared to NR10. Whether this gives me an impression of better not sure.
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Music on LAN, Phasure Lush USB cable
Oppo 205 UDP Pre/Dac
Nordost Heimdall II interconnects, Nordost Heimdall II Power Cords, Audioquest power cords
Chriquet Active Electronic 2 way Crossover 80hz
Unity Audio Boulder MKI Active Monitors x 2, JLAudio 12 Subs x 2
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