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« on: October 22, 2018, 05:55:04 pm »

Since using HQPlayer Ram had been underclocked from 2133MHz to 800MHz after reading about it reducing noise, at the time it was a definite improvement, more natural, smooth etc. no noticeable effect on loading time or PC performance

Today I reverted to 2133MHz to reevaulate with XXHE since it goes so in depth with memory settings.
Now it seems both are viable options, side to side comparison is a bit slow to tell which is best (sticking with 2133MHz for now)

Is there any recommendation or preferences for this?
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 10:38:17 pm »

nah , lower frequency is a lot less resolving, it does give a  pleasant sound unlike an underclocked CPU but not worth it at all.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 11:48:30 pm »

Are you sure? Not something I've tried with Ram only my PC. You can put your system specs in your signature so we can see what you are running PC wise.
I've been under clocking PC for a long period and definitely have a better sound. In fact a recent Bios upgrade had restored original settings. After underclocking and switching unwanted services off in Bios, sound was restored to an even better level.
If you check most XXhighend users signatures you will see most are doing the same.
It does take some courage and experience to experiment with Bios settings. Here is a link to early Bios settings Peter did with his XxPC: http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=2882.0

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 12:50:41 am »

Robert,

I'm familiar with underclocking the CPU, but have never tried underclocking RAM.  My guess is most people here have not tried underclocking RAM.  I might be wrong though.

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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 01:05:16 am »

Have to say I havn't tried underclocking Ram.

I always thought one needed Ram to run at full speed to get the best result. The main reason for using Ram was speed.

Something I may try, as it is I'm seriously under powered compared to XXhighend PC's.

Anyway I'm often well behind the program in computer tweaks.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 08:15:08 am »

I'm familiar with underclocking the CPU, but have never tried underclocking RAM.  My guess is most people here have not tried underclocking RAM.

Hi Ramesh - I agree with the latter (or else we don't talk abut it much) but do notice that the Mach III PC you use is 2400MHz capable (the MoBo / CPU itself even more) while it runs at 1866Mhz.
So you do have some experience with it. Happy

I set it like that for everyone (also myself) just because it seems a good idea. The better idea could be to set it at 2400 and see whether you perceive a difference.

Side info for others : these PC's are a rarity with 6 channels of memory and therefore also contain 6 memory DIMMs. The difference when set faster or slower should be relatively high (for current usage).

Also, this is not about changing voltages explicitly. Only clock speed.

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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 11:48:58 am »

it sounds like CPU underclocking is worth another shot then, the PC might have been using integrated graphics at the time which could explain the degraded SQ. as you say it might need experimentation, i think I just set to the lowest possible freq.

A slight RAM underclock like Peter mentions might be best, striking a balance
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2018, 12:08:44 pm »


Notice that all could be relative. Many of of run the CPU at 700MHz and less. So in case you did not see that - just saying.  innocent

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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 10/20 cores) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 30/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = 10 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 140.19  (max 140.19) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = 35 / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^2*A:B-W-Y-R, B:B-W-R* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> *Blaxius^2 A:B-R, B:B-R* Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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