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« on: April 01, 2020, 11:11:33 pm »

Before I join the Phasure Club with the Stealth III and the NOS1a 2 years ago I tried numerous playback software: Pure Music, JRiver, HQPlayer, Euphony, a few others and Bughead. Among all these the one I preferred was Bughead by a good margin. What stopped me from using it on a regular basis was the very long waiting time from the moment I hit play to the time the playback begins. The typical waiting time was 5 minutes. During this time Bughead rewrites the music files, processes it and does all kinds of tweaks to the OS. I won’t go any further in these explanations. In fact, I believe very few people really understand what the author really does with his software. Suffice it to say that the end results were quite good even on a modest Mac mini which was far from the recommended hardware. The author of Bughead is a Japanese guy by the name of Hiroyuki Yokota, aka oryaaaaa on the JPlay forum. In addition to Bughead Mr. Yokota also created software named ‘’All core any cures’’ and ‘’High Grade CPU Any Cures’’. From these 2 software stemmed Minority Clean, the subject of this thread.

A few weeks ago I was curious to see how was Bughead doing so I went on the JPLay forum to get the latest news. It’s there that I learned of the existence of Minority Clean and the fact that this utility software can be added to any Intel Core or AMD Ryzen based computer running audio applications. On the JPlay forum according to everyone who tried this utility in addition to their regular setup, the gain in clarity and definition is significant. So I downloaded and installed it in the Stealth III PC. By the way it’s free. It’s a single 20 MB .exe file. Sorry for the long intro but I felt it was important to put some context to my experience, mostly for the ones not familiar with Bughead.

To run Minority Clean one only has to double clic on the MinorityClean.exe once and it will run as a background process. According to the author the process load on the CPU is almost zero. The Task Manager shows 0% and 0.5MB.

Now the verdict. Given the fact that XXHighEnd in MinOS is already very aggressive in stripping Window 10 of all non-necessary processes and services I was not expecting much. But I was wrong. I very quickly recognized an increase in clarity and definition, as the JPlay members are saying. Fine details are more precise, the whole listening experience is more enjoyable with a better feel of relaxation. This experience has been repeated several times and the result was always the same. Minority Clean gets revised quite often by the author. The current version is #28. So far, I installed versions #24, 27 and 28 and each new version brought an improvement over the previous one.

I’d be curious to know your feedback if some of you decided to give it a try. The procedure couldn’t be simpler. You go to the MinorityClean site and download the Zip file, open it, copy the MinorityClean.exe in your PC and launch it. That’s it. If you don’t like the result, just delete it. 

Impact on XXHighEnd. In my experience there is no impact on the behaviour of XXHighEnd except for the following. When the Play button is hit these 2 messages appear consecutively: ‘’Asked for clock resolution setting wasn’t met. Asked for: 15ms Received: 1.0007ms’’ and '‘You may delete / ….Playback will restart after this message’’. I hit enter for each one and the playback begins. If there are more than 1 track in the playlist these messages don’t show again for the subsequent tracks.

Of course, I’m curious to know Peter’s opinion on the SQ and technical aspects of this addition to XXHighEnd. Are there possible negative impacts that are not obviously apparent?

I also installed MinorityClean 28 on the Music server and the result is similar. The server is an old Mac mini 2011 connected to the house network router/hub. The Mac runs Server 2019, Audiophile Optimizer 3.0, Fidelizer Pro 8.5 and the MinorityClean 28 is installed in a RAMDISK. Every time MC 28 runs in the server the SQ gains in the same way as with the Audio PC.

If you’re interested to know more or even try it, these are the links to the MC site and download.

MinorityClean web site:  http://www.mics.ne.jp/~coolverse/MinorityClean/
MinorityClean download:  http://www.mics.ne.jp/~coolverse/MinorityClean/MinorityClean_2020_Rev28_x64.zip
JPlay forum:  http://jplay.eu/forum/index.php?/topic/3063-pink-hq-minorityclean/page-19

Voilà.


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Music Server: Mac mini 2011,; Music files on USB Stick; Mac connected to house Router/Hub with copper cable;
Router/Hub: Ethernet cable to TP-Link MC200CM Fiber Media Converter to Stealth III PC
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 05:03:37 pm »


Hey Michael, thank you for this great tip (but I did not try it yet).

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‘’Asked for clock resolution setting wasn’t met. Asked for: 15ms Received: 1.0007ms’’

You may also set the ClockRes to 1ms to avoid the message (I assume).
Anyway, if you only understand that this overrules the XXHighEnd (same parameter) setting of your 15ms and accept the SQ implication of that parameter alone, then OK.

Again, thank you !
Peter

PS: Yes, I know that Japanese guy from when he had a first version out. All very mystique.
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Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2020, 12:15:44 pm »

Michael,

Thanks for this I have tried it and it definitely removes some low level hash from the sound so its a keeper for me.

Where I find it particularly useful is in Attended at low SFS settings of say 0.69 which I use to preview and not so critical listening.

Its useful to be able to turn MinorityClean on and off for comparison purposes so I use a really simple batch file to kill the process. Text for simple batch file is:

@echo off

taskkill/F /IM MinorityClean.exe

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2020, 12:58:52 pm »

Hi Paul,

Glad to see that it's working for you too. In fact there was no doubt in my mind. I'm using the same SFS at 0.69. I agree with your description that it removes some hash on the low level details. For examples the shimmer of cymbals are more vibrant, we can better hear the metal hit by the sick. The benefits apply across the spectrum.

I originally used Minority Clean (MC) with 2.10 but it's as much efficient with 2.11. The combination of MC + 2.11 pushes the SQ to a new level in my living room.

I created a shortcut of MC and put it on the Desktop. To start it I simply double clic on it and I stop it with the Task Manager. But in reality once MC is running it stays on.

I'm using MC in Attended mode and I believe that it comes close in SQ to the Unattended mode without MC. I have difficulties running Unattended, it's unstable. Often the RDC link gets lost and can't be recovered. The PC must be rebooted. So I put it on the side for now.

I encourage others to give a try to Minority Clean. It's a good deal. yes


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AC Power: 3 x Dedicated lines for: Amp., PC + DAC and Sub / 3 x Topaz Ultra Isolation transformers 1.8kva in Balanced mode (0.0005pf);
Music Server: Mac mini 2011,; Music files on USB Stick; Mac connected to house Router/Hub with copper cable;
Router/Hub: Ethernet cable to TP-Link MC200CM Fiber Media Converter to Stealth III PC
Other: AC line filtering with Perfect Path Technologies The GATE, EMat+, ECards, Stop Its; MAD Scientist Black Discus NANO.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2020, 01:02:59 pm »

And by the way I got rid of the error message ‘’Asked for clock resolution setting wasn’t met. Asked for: 15ms Received: 1.0007ms’’ simply by setting the Clock Resesolution to 1.0ms which doesn't affect the SQ if Minority Clean is running.

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AC Power: 3 x Dedicated lines for: Amp., PC + DAC and Sub / 3 x Topaz Ultra Isolation transformers 1.8kva in Balanced mode (0.0005pf);
Music Server: Mac mini 2011,; Music files on USB Stick; Mac connected to house Router/Hub with copper cable;
Router/Hub: Ethernet cable to TP-Link MC200CM Fiber Media Converter to Stealth III PC
Other: AC line filtering with Perfect Path Technologies The GATE, EMat+, ECards, Stop Its; MAD Scientist Black Discus NANO.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2020, 04:15:45 pm »

Hi Michael and thanks for the suggestion. I'm giving it a try.

One thing-


 I have difficulties running Unattended, it's unstable. Often the RDC link gets lost and can't be recovered. The PC must be rebooted. So I put it on the side for now.


Do  you have the stop W10 services checked? I always have trouble eventually if I try unattended with that checked.

I have no trouble playing unattended and keeping the remote connection with only Stop Desktop, Stop Remaining, Stop WASAP, Keep LAN and Use Remote checked.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2020, 04:45:43 pm »

Hi David,

All the parameters you mentioned are checked plus Stop W10 Services. I will try again with Stop W10 Services unchecked. Thanks for the tip.

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AC Power: 3 x Dedicated lines for: Amp., PC + DAC and Sub / 3 x Topaz Ultra Isolation transformers 1.8kva in Balanced mode (0.0005pf);
Music Server: Mac mini 2011,; Music files on USB Stick; Mac connected to house Router/Hub with copper cable;
Router/Hub: Ethernet cable to TP-Link MC200CM Fiber Media Converter to Stealth III PC
Other: AC line filtering with Perfect Path Technologies The GATE, EMat+, ECards, Stop Its; MAD Scientist Black Discus NANO.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2020, 07:34:50 pm »


Don't forget to check/uncheck this "Stop W10 Services" in Normal OS and BASE for those using RAM-OS) (and then go back to MinOS (and RAM).
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to *14/28* cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = *14*/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = *1* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.19*  (max *10.19*) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *52* / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^2*A:B-W-Y-R, B:B-W-R* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> *Blaxius^2 A:B-R, B:B-R* Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. *ET^2* Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2020, 07:52:57 pm »

Thanks for the advice Peter.
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AC Power: 3 x Dedicated lines for: Amp., PC + DAC and Sub / 3 x Topaz Ultra Isolation transformers 1.8kva in Balanced mode (0.0005pf);
Music Server: Mac mini 2011,; Music files on USB Stick; Mac connected to house Router/Hub with copper cable;
Router/Hub: Ethernet cable to TP-Link MC200CM Fiber Media Converter to Stealth III PC
Other: AC line filtering with Perfect Path Technologies The GATE, EMat+, ECards, Stop Its; MAD Scientist Black Discus NANO.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2020, 06:15:39 pm »


All right, Michael,

I tested it and it seems to me that indeed it could be for the better. Not sure yet, as at first I had the idea that things possibly became "too white". But, I used the SFS of 10.19 (as I am doing fro a long time), actually being quite sure that making it lower would even worsen that (whiteness). But it did not ! So the last couple of hours in yesterday's session I happily used 0.69 ...

Otherwise things seem not to be right with your setup or (incomplete ?) description. Like for example, that it could well be that you use WASAPI. From there, it could well be that you don't use your NOS1. And from there people could be set on the wrong foot.
Of course this is a bit pretentious, but I derive it from your announcement of running into a few problems (like not being able to use Unattended (duh !)) and more deviates.

Anyway, the most important message I may present is that nothing is wrong with anything that I can see. One quite crucial thing : I never booted into Normal OS from running Minority Clean. And there the problems could start ... Mind you, would I have run it when in the BASE of MinOS. And that I explicitly won't do. Understand ? So when doing it from RAM, then all is and remains harmless because no disk settings will be influenced (except for XXHighEnd settings when saved, but this is harmless).

On another note, and as I just tried to explain in the "RDC" topic, I would be very wary of software which changes things all over, while XXHighEnd also does that, and which could work quite "opposite" up do destructive. But as said, when done in RAM only, nothing can be destructive as such, because "destructive" as such is what I regard unrepairable.

So please be careful,
Peter
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2020, 07:31:35 pm »

Hi Peter,

Minority Clean does some 'cleaning' or rearranging SSE and MMX processor instructions. There is source code always included in package, it is written in Basic so
for you it is very easy to determine what it actually does. It can be loaded as one of Win processes (using sexe64.exe) or put in startup folder or started manually.
No matter audio player used, it does have positive effect on audio playback.


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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2020, 08:41:11 pm »

Hi Peter,

I confirm that I don't use WASAPI. I use KS Mode Adaptive with the Buffer size at 4096. The output device selected is KS:Phasure NOS1..., and the box Stop WASAPI Services is checked. I also never used Minority Clean in Base OS, I only listen in RAM OS.

Regarding the issue I have with Unattended, I will give it a try again with the Keep W10 Services unchecked. I will change this parameter in Normal OS and Base. Then I'll go back in MinOS and RAM. I'll report on the outcome.

Thanks,

Michael


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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2020, 08:49:54 pm »


Michael - well, odd then. So the least what should happen is that all normally works. This, btw, includes that "0.0007" message. This is how I arrived at WASAPI and the rest. However, not sure at all what happens when you're in Normal OS *and thus* WASAPI being active. It's a kind of inconsistent situation (well, not of course, but for what we do with XXHighEnd it is).

I hope you can get it to work normally and otherwise we may be able to work on it.
As said, I have no issues ...

Thanks a lot for this,
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XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to *14/28* cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = *14*/-/1/1/1/ Q1Factor = *1* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 15ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.19*  (max *10.19*) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *52* / Nervous Rate = 10 / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 0 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / *Arc Prediction Filtering (16x)* / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^2*A:B-W-Y-R, B:B-W-R* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> *Blaxius^2 A:B-R, B:B-R* Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. *ET^2* Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere.

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