The Future of Music ?

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Maybe a new thread,

What will be the next medium for audio.
I mean how will the industy sell his music to custumers without needing a disc
or something else.
Online, still using cd/blu-ray (hi-res) or memory-stick(card)????????
anyone !!??

[Calibrator]

Maybe a new thread,

What will be the next medium for audio.
I mean how will the industy sell his music to custumers without needing a disc
or something else.
Online, still using cd/blu-ray (hi-res) or memory-stick(card)????????
anyone !!??

It's already been invented. We just have to wait till we are old enough to use it 

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Isolinear_chip

[PeterSt]

Russ, careful here. Roy (AUDIODIDAKT) is some lightyears ahead of us, and he travels to near the speed of light. As long as this is so, he will be more and more ahead of us, and we will understand less and less. I mean, the other day I learned that this lucky bird has an internet connection of 100Mbit UPLOAD and I was startled. I didn't know it was possible in these low lands. But in a small area it just is.

So there I am with my 300Kbps upload.
Whatever technology I personally may find, I'd need to move first in order to spread it.
Sort of.

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Thank you peter(I Guess),

Eindhoven Light(speed) City, sorry!
Did you get my files I send you EVENTUALLY, haha

Oke but whatever medium where using.
Its all albout the recordings in studio or live
And I think that there has to be a whole lot a work to be done.
Even with XXHe some recordings remain bad bad sounding.
And I m not talking about 30's or 40's recordings but 2008 recordings or future on

[PeterSt]

At first I thought about moving this topic to Chatter, had in my mind it was in the "DAC connection" board, next thought to gave it a twist in that direction, while I now see it is in Source related subjects. Ok, I can still give it that twist I think ...

Back in 2004 (or maybe 2003) I bought one of the first (if not the) network players around. So, a Momitsu DVD player with ethernet connection, and it sounded better compared to my usual CDPlayer. Controlling it was tedious, and the TV had to be on for it. Ok.

Since such a device connects through IP, I thought to bring this to another kind of level, and instead of connecting the player to a PC of my own providing the files, I connected it to a PC of a friend living 50 kilometers away. And there it was ... I could use the network player to select all his music ... and play it. Not that this is NOT streaming, and it is just a connection like a hdd, but the hdd resides some further away. This is not jitter impeeded, because it is just about normal computer data.

I set that up like a gadged, mainly because I didn't hear of it, and anything which possibly can't be done ... of course can.
Oh, this was about MP3s only, because the bitrate of uncompressed music would not allow to play over the 256Kbs upload my friend had at that time.

If we think in this direction, and we'd know that a connection like this can be made to you and you and you and you and everybody, *and* this is most probably not even illegal, who needs another storage medium, if this topic was about that in the first place.
Mind you, this was before XXHighend ages, and this topic just reminded me of that trials again. But now there is XXHighEnd, and one of its big hidden features is make known to "you" what music I have ...

Before thinking further, for someone like me, today this still can't work. I can play your albums Roy, but you can't play mine. The highest upload I can obtain is 1000Kbs, and it is a 50% too few. Besides, when I'd have, say 2000Kbps, still one connection only would be allowed. The bandwidth just doesn't allow one other.

I see people think : but this is not special and this is not new, and what is the difference with downloading etc.;
Well, there really is a difference, but it is hard to explain. It is more something of a feeling. Try to imagine this :

Right now we are making Galleries from our several TB disks, right ? We can choose the individual Galleries, but we can also look at all together when th structure is right. This is all "off line" so to say. It doesn't need any of the connections implied here. Only when an album is chosen to play, the connection will be made.

And it is all 100% in there already, which nobody realizes because it just requires that special connection (which is not common at all !) and which anyone can make (once explained). It would be running tonight, really ...

I never thought about it anymore, and the only thing you could say is that the principles in there comply. They comply to how I think things should work, and hey, it wouldn't be the first time I (and some personnell around me) introduce something for a first time.
In this area it is about infinitly connecting the world, which btw Bill Gates understood very well with his type of connection we today call RDC, before was called RDP, and which in beta (could be 1998) was named Hydra and which I/we beta tested for. Long before that (maybe 1992 or so) another type of direct connection was misused by me, and although way too slow, people from Japan and the US were all over, to see what was done and how it worked. I just tried to find that hardware to look up the name, but I can't find it right now. Anyway, MS bought that, and the name Hydra sprung right from it.

I'm just into transparently connecting the world, and here is the application !

Allright, functionally things are not much different from listening to internet radio, or internet TV, but because of the technical different means the connection is setup, XXHighEnd is just suitable for it. Besides, I'd be just playing your music. I'm not downloading, and maybe I'm streaming (technically that would be so, but more technically streaming is about larger buffers and buffering, like internet TV).

Anyway, just imagine the infinit amount of albums we'd have access to. Hundreds of thousands (with some doublures), and for 100% sure the ones I never play are legal. Haha.

But my upload speed is too low ...

[PeterSt]

Guys, I just thought of this :

This is actually about the proof to myself that whatever I do in this ICT world turns out to be just right, without me knowing it at the moment it's designed.
Yea, the fishy is there for a tiny disclaimer at talking about myself this way.

Think about ticking the box "Standard copy to XX-drive" ... 

Think about ticking "Start Playback during conversion" ...

See ? All would just work.
That would be more illegalish though ...

Roy, I'm not hijacking your topic, right ?
hmm ...

What will be the next medium for audio.

Nah, don't think so.

Edit :

Also, the Copy to XX-drive actually won't do much. It even would be counterproductive, if you incorporate the "Split file at size" parameter. Set that lower, and maybe a new parameter for the time allowed for the file part to arrive (because of the slower connection), make the first part extra small, and playback starts within 3 seconds.

[AUDIODIDAKT]

No peter its going exactly in the right direction

I had this conversation with a friend of my a couple of weeks ago
(who lives nearby and also has optical 100 MB)
That it theory would be possible to play my files on his audio-system
But you just confirmed it can.

roy

 

[AUDIODIDAKT]

That would be nice if i had access to your 12.000 cd DB

And it saves over-all back-up space.

I am indeed very happy with my internet connection here.
But have the feeling i am not using its full capacity.
from leechers i get 30 gig+ per hour
and still using internet like nothings wrong.
Thx 2 onsneteindhoven

[PeterSt]

100Mbit ~ 10MByte, x 3600 ~ 36GB.

But there's quite some overhead in getting the parts together and sequenced from torrents.

[AUDIODIDAKT]

But even when we can.

I would still be illegal.

Copyright has to be paid eventually
Artists got to be paid.

But this is exactly what i mean by this topic
The industry will always come with another solution.
There has to be a point that you buy a file and the right to use is.
It doesnt have to be on a disc or another medium to verfify that i own the album

The more you think about it !!
this area is becoming very gray on this subject.
if you know what i mean

[AUDIODIDAKT]

What i mean by this is that the industy has big problem become hugh.
Everyday i stumble upon (CD, HD-Movies,Games,DVD,Software)
And I dont talk about dodgy cam rips from your local theater or mp3
I am talking about Full HD 1080p, Dts 1536kbps Movies in several Lanq, plextor eac rips,
When internet becomes that fast
So does spreading it

[PeterSt]

I can't be sure how the industry looks at this, but my own observations for the last 6 months or so say : complete anarchy already !
And keep in mind, this is with the more normal up- and down speeds.

So, if I am allowed to give the subject a 180 degree twist, or at least how I brought it before, then if I were that industry I would stop producing music (and movies for that matter) instantly.

The time is changing superfast, and possibly faster than most comprehend. 12 months ago it was not all that easy to find uncompressed music. But the last 6 months ? it is just all over. And indeed, when the "copying" of it takes the time my internal network here would take, all is just lost.

The stupid thing is

a. personally I don't mind to pay at all;
b. to my knowledge there are no websites that legally provide normal CDs outside of DRM;
c. the best sites provide downloads and charge money for it. Yes, I do pay for that illegal stuff (but not enough, virtually);
d. I hate torrents because they are way too slow (that depends of course).

I can put it differently :
- It gets quite common to find resources with a 1000++ albums I'd like to have.
- I would have no problems with paying a 1000 euro for it.
- Because it is the way it is, only when I coincidentally bump into CDs in a shop somewhere, I buy them. Can be 50 at a time.

Man, this is inconvenient, because I have to rip them !
So, the 1000 spent on those 50 CDs I'd rather spend on those 1000 which will take me years to listen to.
If someone wants those 1000 coincidentally from me, he can have them, but again must pay that 1000. Not to me, but to the industry.

There is no way I would buy a 1000 CDs in two or three years.

All 'n all, I would spend the same 1000, no matter what. So, better spend them on that mechanism where everybody can share.


What's next ? I don't know. But I guess it will continue the way it is going already. It can't be stopped anymore. This industry will starve.
It is no solution to provide an album by means of the Internet and ask 1 euro for it. People will still be uploading it to that one giant conveniency means where I can pick as long as I want.
Playing eachother's albums as I suggested before may even be more convenient, and it is somewhere here where solutions should be. I don't know how though. At playing an album money might just as well go to the owners by automation. Like the electricity bill goes like that.

If "we" don't do something about that, we won't have new music anymore. But the stupid thing is, we don't even need new music, because there is enough for us for the rest of our lives. Ahh, maybe not ...

After sitting back for 5 minutes, here is a solution :

Internet Providers could mangle the sound. I think music data can be recognized generally, and no matter how it goes, when it goes over the Internet (that includes email) the sound is mangled with. The recognition must be smart and not by means of looking at header data. Just examining the bytes.
Music (and movies) cannot be downloaded over the internet anymore. Not by official means either. Just not.
And maybe then I will be visiting shops more often again. Or order by Amazon. Whatever.

Peter

[AUDIODIDAKT]

Right now we are making Galleries from our several TB disks, right ? We can choose the individual Galleries, but we can also look at all together when th structure is right. This is all "off line" so to say. It doesn't need any of the connections implied here. Only when an album is chosen to play, the connection will be made.

And it is all 100% in there already, which nobody realizes because it just requires that special connection (which is not common at all !) and which anyone can make (once explained). It would be running tonight, really ...

I never thought about it anymore, and the only thing you could say is that the principles in there comply. They comply to how I think things should work, and hey, it wouldn't be the first time I (and some personnell around me) introduce something for a first time.
In this area it is about infinitly connecting the world, which btw Bill Gates understood very well with his type of connection we today call RDC, before was called RDP, and which in beta (could be 1998) was named Hydra and which I/we beta tested for. Long before that (maybe 1992 or so) another type of direct connection was misused by me, and although way too slow, people from Japan and the US were all over, to see what was done and how it worked. I just tried to find that hardware to look up the name, but I can't find it right now. Anyway, MS bought that, and the name Hydra sprung right from it.

I'm just into transparently connecting the world, and here is the application !

Allright, functionally things are not much different from listening to internet radio, or internet TV, but because of the technical different means the connection is setup, XXHighEnd is just suitable for it. Besides, I'd be just playing your music. I'm not downloading, and maybe I'm streaming (technically that would be so, but more technically streaming is about larger buffers and buffering, like internet TV).

Anyway, just imagine the infinit amount of albums we'd have access to. Hundreds of thousands (with some doublures), and for 100% sure the ones I never play are legal. Haha.

But my upload speed is too low ...

Would still like to know how to apply,
not for now but,
When my friends are also running XX.
Just to fool around a little,
Share a big music DB

roy

[PeterSt]

I think I read somewhere that W7 has explicit means for this ...