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« on: October 06, 2009, 10:59:36 am »

Because it is not the most obvious how to go about, plus it thus far always has been a kind of awkwardish to randomize, here's a small outlay on how to do this in a convenient and fast fashion. Notice that many more options and combinations are possible, and this is just the most "iPod like" one.

Note : I'll add pictures later.


Step one : Getting prepared

In order to later randomize quickly (like playing in 10-15 seconds) you must prepare a few things. These things come off handy anyway (you will learn), so it is good to do them. And, keep in mind, this is about just one way of randomizing; other ways won't need this preparation.

- Activate the Library Area (hence click the tab).
- Untick the Chk checbox when it's checked. Because, a. this is necessary in order to process a large number of Library Items (otherwise it will be far too slow) and b. you won't be using Checkboxes for selection during this process.




Think of the "genre" folders you may have you may want to use for randomizing. Whether they are the physical original music folders or Galleries does not matter. Pick one by means of the "..." button at the bottom or via the Embedded Explorer at the left.
To keep in mind : I talk "genres" here, because it usually is not the best thing to hear hiphop pass by along with Vivaldi.

Now replace the default "A" for Albums with the "T" for tracks in that little box (see picture above). Next click Search.
Depending on how large the folder is this may take a while, because all the tracks in there will be collected, and presented to you in the Library Area. Might you have a 10,000 albums, no problem, but expect over 100,000 tracks to be there. That may take a minute or two.



Now, just because this may take two minutes, we are going to save the result as a Saved Result List. You could call the List Rock Tracks if this is about rock as a genre, so you will know later. Rightclick on the small F button to get there.







Step two : Get the tracks to randomize

Ha, but we just done that ? yes, true, but this assumes it now is "tomorrow", and helps you understand why Step one was important.

We are going to randomize some rock, and we want to do that fast. Allright, so we are going to re-load that Save Result List containing our Rock tracks.



Ah, you see, these 100,000 tracks are there in 0.2 seconds. Good (ok ok, in my case that's 41979 tracks).

Although anything being in the Library Area will be the base for randomizing, this is the fastest means for huge quantities as the base (the larger the base, the more surprised you will be what comes along for actual playback). Note that "huge" easily can be a million tracks.


Step three : Randomize

Before you forget, you may want to click Clear in order to clear the Playlist Area.



Now, rightclick on any of the Items visible in the Library Area. Which one you click is not important.
Go to Play each ... and choose Randomly. From there, go to the combobox at the bottom, and select AutoSelect. This latter means that the system is going to select the Items to randomize (don't read this again, or you won't understand Happy).



Now go to the "Enter number to randomize" box, and there enter the number you expect to play in this session. Remember, don't make it very much longer than you expect to play, because in a few seconds you will be starting playback, and as always the Playlist has to be prepared (converted etc.), and the longer it is, the more time it takes. Of course I expect Unattended playback, which is advised for the best sound quality; if you are going to play Attended, the output amount doesn't matter much, but keep in mind that for each track to appear in the Playlist Area, the Coverart must be collected. On this matter, 40 tracks will take about two times the time needed for 20 tracks.



Let's say you chose 40 tracks to output to the Playlist Area. Now you are ready to click Go.

What will happen next is that the system first selects 40 tracks out of the, say, 8000, you have in the Library Area for the genre you chose before; These 40 tracks will be randomized and output to the Playlist Area.

Important to understand : Depending on how the genre you chose is physically organized on the disks you have (now assuming the genre is held in a Gallery), the tracks selected for playback may be spread over all the disks you have, and they all have to spin up when spun down. This takes time ! Thus, when you have 4 disks, and each take 7 seconds to spinup, you will be waiting for 28 seconds for the spinup only. Nothing to do about that !
But if the disks were spinning already, you will find your 40 tracks in 5-7 seconds to be in the Playlist Area.



Step four : Play

No big deal of course. But when you really want to be surprised what will pass your loudspeakers, do not click the Playlist tab. Just click Play. With Attended you could let it stay like that, and with Unattended the GUI will disappear after a while, as you re used to.


Get the grasp of what happens

What we did above, was letting the system decide what to select as the base for our randomizing. This, while functionally we thought it was the whole bunch of Rock tracks (and this *is* how it works out of course). The effect (for the result) would have been the same of we had chosen "Do not Autoselect" in that combobox, and next select all (!) the Items in the Library Area, enter the 40 for the number of output tracks againm and click Go. However, technically this means that the 8000 tracks are taken as input for the 40 to randomize out of that. And this takes longer !

Anyway, where letting the system select for you is a kind of trick to make it all faster, the more normal means would be that you sit down, and roughly select from the chosen genre, or maybe select all and deselect those you sure don't want to be in the result. This latter you'd do only when you really have the time for it, and want to prepare some really good (randomized) playlist. But, once you have decimated such a list, and let's say the result is still 5000 tracks, why not save *that* as a Gallery Result List, and keep on picking that one to randomize 40 tracks from, which you can do for days and days and days before you will be fed up with hearing the same tracks.

Or what about this one : Do as described per above three steps (leave out step four for now), and notice that the 40 tracks still show selected after the Playlist Area has been filled. Aha, this means that the selected tracks can be thrown out by means of the Delete Selected Items function. So, why not do that. Next, save the currently remaining tracks into something like a RockRemainingTracks Saved Result List. Now click Play ...
Tomorrow you can retrieve that Save Result List, and repeat the exact same procedure. So each day the list will shrink and shrink, until there's nothing left (for 8000 tracks and 40 to output each day, this will take 200 days). And all the time you will never hear a track which was played earlier (from that list).

I guess it is all up to your own creativity.


Small issue for Cue Files

When you ask for Tracks ("T") in the Library Area, and during the search Cue File albums are discovered, they will show as that one large track they really consist of. However, when such an Item is selected for Randomizing, it will explode to its individual tracks first, and they will be part of the base to randomize. But now watch out : when this really is about a Track selection, and we let the system select the Items in the Library Area, and supposed within out 40 tracks (!) to select are two Cue File albums, they will be the majority of tracks. Thus, supposed those two Cue File albums contain 12 tracks each, than out of the total of 40 to output, there are 38 + 12 + 12 = 62 for input, and 24 of that are from those two albums !
Now, at looking at the Library Area, you can also see a "dishonesty" from another angle, which is that each normal album shows all its tracks in there, while the poor Cue File album only shows 1. So, it is tougher to get selected, but once it is, it is all over.
I don't think there is a good solution for this, until Cue File albums are exploded in the Library Area to begin with. Maybe later.

Have fun.
Peter
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2009, 09:53:18 pm »


Small issue for Cue Files

When you ask for Tracks ("T") in the Library Area, and during the search Cue File albums are discovered, they will show as that one large track they really consist of. However, when such an Item is selected for Randomizing, it will explode to its individual tracks first, and they will be part of the base to randomize. But now watch out : when this really is about a Track selection, and we let the system select the Items in the Library Area, and supposed within out 40 tracks (!) to select are two Cue File albums, they will be the majority of tracks. Thus, supposed those two Cue File albums contain 12 tracks each, than out of the total of 40 to output, there are 38 + 12 + 12 = 62 for input, and 24 of that are from those two albums !
Now, at looking at the Library Area, you can also see a "dishonesty" from another angle, which is that each normal album shows all its tracks in there, while the poor Cue File album only shows 1. So, it is tougher to get selected, but once it is, it is all over.
I don't think there is a good solution for this, until Cue File albums are exploded in the Library Area to begin with. Maybe later.

Have fun.
Peter

All of us in the Cue(l) File Club, each and everyone of us, hope that someday you will take time to explode these files into 'tracks' we can select in the library area, while keeping the inherently better sounding & better integrity of single WAV files intact for playback...All of us in the Cuel File Club urge you to now take action.  GL
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 09:29:30 pm »

Peter,
is there a way to get 2 (or more) "genres" into a result list?
I need it for example to play a random selection from my Pop and Jazz albums.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 11:42:24 pm »

Hi Eric,

No, currently not. But it really can be useful. So that will be in. I'm sure.
Thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2009, 07:15:44 am »

Okay Peter.

After using the Random Play function for several times now, it occurs to me that the playlists (length=20) all contain some tracks from a same album. This should statistically not happen so often (still not impossiblethough). So I guess my question is: how really Random is the algorithm? 
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2009, 07:47:06 am »

And that isn't a Cue File album ?
How may tracks did you have in the Library Area for the base ?
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 11:27:33 am »

And that isn't a Cue File album ?
How may tracks did you have in the Library Area for the base ?

No Peter, the albums are not CUE files. There are 11896 tracks in the Library Area result list that I am working with.
This is what appears in the Playlist. 20 tracks (as requested by me) which I numbered topdown for this discussion.
When tracks originate from the same album,  I put them on the same line here below.
1
2
3 18
4 11 13
5
6
7 12
8 14
9 16
10
15
17 19 20

So the tracks come from 12 different albums. Moreover, tracks number 11 and 13 are not only from the same album, but they are actually the same.

So let me do this one more time. Here is the result of the 2nd run.
1 18
2
3 6
4 8 14
5
7 15
9 11 19 20
10
12 16
13
17
   
So now the tracks come from 11 different albums. Moreover tracks 9, 11 and 19 are the same track.

Wouldn't you agree that this is very curious and suspicious at the same time?
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2009, 12:03:22 pm »

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Wouldn't you agree that this is very curious and suspicious at the same time?

Hahaha, yes. But the question is : what are you doing wrong ?

If the answer is "nothing", then next the question is : what am I doing wrong. But I just re-checked, and no way this happens like that with me. I tried it more than 10 times, and I never saw the same album in my 20 results out of 42000 tracks in my case.
Next I tried some 10 times with a base of 6000 tracks, but again everything ok.

I guess you are doing something different than I described ?
It looks like you you have made your own selection (instead of "Auto select Library Items") or otherwise you have Albums in the Library Area, not Tracks (but in the latter case I may wonder whether you have 11896 albums, and I have the hunch you do anyway. whistle).

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2009, 12:28:48 pm »

But Eric, I am as happy when you say you are doing all the things as described. But if so, I'm not sure what to do to find out what is going wrong at your side. But maybe this helps in that case :

Please describe what you do after starting up XX (so indeed, start there), in order to get such a result. Pictures are not needed. Can you do that ?
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 11:52:17 am »

But Eric, I am as happy when you say you are doing all the things as described. But if so, I'm not sure what to do to find out what is going wrong at your side. But maybe this helps in that case :

Please describe what you do after starting up XX (so indeed, start there), in order to get such a result. Pictures are not needed. Can you do that ?

Peter,
I followed your instructions. Here it is.
1) I open XXHE
2) I check the Playlist area. No tracks are in it, just the text XXHighEnd Vista, Model 0.9y-4.
3) I click the Library Tab.
4) I Rightclick on "F" at the bottom of the screen.
5) I Select a stored Result List containing Tracks. The number 11896 appears. I browse through the list if the tracks are there. They are.
6) I Rightclick the 1st track, ===> Play Each ===> Randomly
7) I choose AutoSelect LibraryItems, fill in "20" and Click "Go".
Cool I click on Playlist. Nothing happens. I click once more. The message XXHighEnd 0.9y-4 shows up in the topline. After 20 seconds or so the Playlist appears with 20 tracks.

I hope this helps you to advice me what to do.
Cheers,
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 12:46:47 pm »

I'm puzzled. The only thing which seems strange is that you are able to get the empty (with 0.9y-4 tekst) Playlist Area; I would say this isn't possible until the task of filling the Playlist Area is finished. I'm not sure whether this tells (me) something, but it is unexpected.


Ok. If all is right, the tracks chosen to stuff into the Playlist are the selected ones in the Library Area. Thus, after the process is finished, you should be able to find the tracks in there by means of browsing for the selected ones. Of course with 11896 tracks this is not a nice job, but the tracks in the playlist will tell you which they are in the first place, you that makes it more each to CHECK whether this is consistent. So a question could be : is it indeed so that the playlist contains the tracks which were (auto) selected by the system in the first place.

Assuming the above is so, you must know that the function actually used is the one you will find elsewhere in the rightclick context menu, and it is called something like "Auto select Library Items". I'm not sure where it sits right now (no XX pc available), but I think you will be able to find it. Now, in there you can do exactly the same for selecting, like entering that 20 for the number to select, and click Go to actually do it. So, this just selects in the Library Area. This will give you a very easy (and fast) means to check what is actually happening. You might try to decimate the list in the Library Area to 200 tracks or so (type Pink Floyd at the bottom, whatever), and with again selecting 20 (or maybe less) you may be able to see the pattern ?
Also note that you can make the Library Area a lot bigger and the pictures a lot smaller (with the slider at the bottom) so you will be able to see the selected items in a glance.

What will you be doing this for ? I don't know yet.
If it is too much trouble for you I can make the randomizing work differently for the next version and hope it helps. But I rather understand first.

If you can make screenshots easily, maybe it is an idea to post the 10 or 20 trials you will be performing, so I may see the pattern. Or maybe I do that first (later today) and let you see my "pattern".

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 01:36:08 pm »

Hi Peter,
the empty Playlist is caused by the fact that before I exited the previous session, I used the Clear function to make it empty.
Over the next couple of days, I will experiment with large and small Result lists, and create using Galleries or Original location. My time is limited until Wednesday, however I am confident that we will find out what is happening.
Thanks,
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 02:50:22 pm »

Thank you for your patience Eric.

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the empty Playlist is caused by the fact that before I exited the previous session, I used the Clear function to make it empty.

Of course, but that is not what I meant. I meant : how is it possible that you are able to see that while the Randomizing is still processing. Clicking on the Playlist tab would do nothing until ready. But somehow you can do it, and it goes to the Playlist (at a second click as I understood).
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2009, 06:32:16 pm »

Peter,
no,no,
at the first click, the system does not respond at all and the Library Area is still displayed. At the second click, the systems "hangs", showing the message. After 20 seconds or so, the Playlist area is shown with the 20 tracks. The behaviour is exactly as you expect.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 06:44:29 pm »

Ah, ok. Thanks.


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I see you are using a TwinDAC+. You know that is 18 bits (over SPDIF), right ? I'm only saying this because it may not be obvious, and you will be able to use Double/Arc.
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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