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« on: June 30, 2010, 03:56:02 pm »

Why don't you share your thoughts about the latest version of XXHE? Personally I prefer z1.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 05:32:08 pm »

Why don't you share your thoughts about the latest version of XXHE? Personally I prefer z1.

Why? Happy
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 05:55:01 pm »

On my part nothing has explicitly changed !
Which is no guarantee it didn't ... Happy
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 06:06:24 pm »

Why don't you share your thoughts about the latest version of XXHE? Personally I prefer z1.

Why? Happy

Maybe because z2 crashes / stops playback very often :D
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 07:01:35 pm »

Only if you perceive the sound of a crashing airplane or something, this can be related to SQ, don't you think ?
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 10:58:12 pm »

z2 = nice piece of code. pretty stable here at my rig. Fabulous space and 3D stereo is coming out of my speakers. Thanks.

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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 11:07:53 am »

Hi Guys,

Ever since Adaptive Mode, I have been using it & had always found it better than the other modes. With 9z-1, I thought let me try out the other modes, for comparison & I was surprised to find the Special Mode works by far better, in my set up, of course. The bass is tighter, the mids are cleaner, top end is about the same.
I presume it would be the same in 9z-2 too as Peter hasnt indicated any change made in this area.

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 02:59:37 pm »

Hi Guys,

Ever since Adaptive Mode, I have been using it & had always found it better than the other modes. With 9z-1, I thought let me try out the other modes, for comparison & I was surprised to find the Special Mode works by far better, in my set up, of course. The bass is tighter, the mids are cleaner, top end is about the same.
I presume it would be the same in 9z-2 too as Peter hasnt indicated any change made in this area.

Arvind

SQ of Adaptive Mode vs. Special Mode is very much depending on your setting of soundcards latency. With 09-z1 and 09-z2, Special Mode sounds best with lowest possible latency. With Adaptive Mode latency should be increased to something like 1024.

This is the general consensus here, as far as I have understood. (Or, you might say that with the myriad of parameters, setups and user preferences of XX and its users, the only consensus is that there is no consensus).  wacko


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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 03:06:46 pm »

Well, at least I agree with it. I must say though that at finding Adaptive better (some weeks back), it is time to hop back to Special again, and see which of both I now prefer.
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2010, 12:24:51 pm »

Allright. Three evenings of playing further, and I must say that Special Mode is definitely better. But as far as I could judge in this time period, it takes some special settings you won't be able to perform at this moment grazy;

All starts with my own "desire" to play with 32/352.8 (or 384), which I myself (with my not the fastest PC) can't get done properly with the perceived necessary low latency without glitches here and there. Of course, this is not all that much different from when we startet out with the ultra low latency playback, but while (I guess not only me) accepted those glitches with the positive tradeoff of better sound, by now I am used to the good sound anyway, and the glitches now disturb. Oh, it can be without glitches (or merely small ticks), but it is so fragile that it depends on the mood of the PC or whatever it is. and I don't want to run into this.

The acceptable low latency for me is 64 samples at a buffer size of 512, and with the 32/352.8 playback this depends on the mood of the PC.

Before proceeding, first what I think of the sound with those settings :
For "normal" music it is hard to distinguish from Adaptive, Q1=1 and a buffer size of 2048. This firstly means that the warmth and emotion from this latter setting can be achieved with the ultra low latency just the same. Notice though that I dedicate this to the Phasure NOS1 in its latest setup for a large part, because before this wasn't the case (Special @ low latency was too sterile IMO). However, the in fact outrageous difference emerges at playing the better ambient stuff, like Shulman, Ott and even Jens Glad. The difference with this better ambient music is the high transient information which is in there, generally coming from unnatural (high transient) synthesizers. So, this is about the "strange" sweeping sounds, which are not there at all with Adaptive Mode - or are excessivley there with Special Mode.

Thinking further, I guess this is what Adaptive Mode is giving its better warmth, BUT -and it luckily always goes like this- which will be the case when not all is 100% right. In other words, when the higher transients are not processed too well, they are smeared, and credit to the overall sound quality. This would happen with Special Mode and the not 100% operation. With Adaptive Mode the high transients won't be fed to the DAC in the first place (well, that is what I think of it), and smearing is not in order. But high transients neither !
So keep in mind, to me it seems that it is now highly dependend on the DAC (and possibly more), and never mind the details which must be at sub-micro level, the net effect is huge.

Now, the way I got it working glitchlessly, may be of special interest for Marcin. yes

To keep in mind, this is about the difference where ticks and glitches are audible regularly, and where bringing up XXHighEnd (from Unattended) will show a lot of crackling on one side, and totaly nothing the matter on the other. Well, this is the other side :

I still have 64 samples of latency, and the buffer size is still set to 512 (btw, I didn't try lower, but I guess lower is possible now). The output is still 32/352.8;
Where the Phasue NOS1 is full of tricks, I applied one of them, and this is letting the driver run at 88200. In the mean time though, the DAC runs at 705.6, which thus is twice as fast as the "with glitches" situation.
Of course everybody is confused now, because the "resolution" output of the DAC is only 352.8 in this situation. But this is about my applied trick (see the DAC thread) at achieving better jitter figures (theoretically 6dB max). Anyway ...

Here we go again : it is the driver which lets things choke, because at twice the output, but letting the driver run at half the speed (with still net twice the output), all is infinitely better. And this includes SQ too - apart from the joy of "being glitchless".
And better not ask about my tricks ... I'm full of them. Haha.

I think normal audiophools ends up in bed late when things sound really good, but since I never play music after dinnner, in my case dinner is just a little late. Like yesterday, 11:30pm. swoon

If I am right and not on dope, this is just pure extasy. I must emphasize again though, that there is music beyond normal music. This music -as far as I can tell- only expresses in special ambient. And this is the most rare. If I have 20 of such albums it will be many. It is not just synthesizer music, because all what is commonly known (Vangelis, JM Jarre, Schulze, Eno, 50 more) doesn't have it. At all. It's the ones I mentioned. Add Shpongle to it. It takes digital synths with sufficient bit depth (the early Vangelis days used 8 bits, to name something), and a high amount of intelligence to make this music special. Notice that even the good old Yello doesn't come close.

I want to ask Roy - who I dedicate to be our modern ambient specialist - whether he knows more, the above mentioned in mind. It may be hard to recognize if you don't have the sound yourself, but since it was Roy who put me to the mentioned artists in the first place (some year ago), maybe by now he knows more of them. Good to know : Carbon Based Lifeforms doesn't cut it either. Each 60 minute trip without using is welcome, and when you are not sure, mention it anyway and I will sort it out. Thank you !

So far,
Peter

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2010, 09:29:46 pm »

Hello Peter,

Long time no speak :D I've been busy and enjoying music - at last! What's worth mentioning: I gave up the idea of second, dedicated audio server, it was far from convenience. So, I decided to switch back to my regular, fast PC and install my Cantatis@ESI sound card inside. What the hell? Now it sounds better here and that's without ANY OS tweaks and undervolting/underclocking. You may say, that I've gone crazy, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. Why? Because I discovered the great ESI drivers/firmware on my old PC, which allowed me to run smooth playback with 1 sample latency. After going back to my new PC, superiority of motherboard and PSU quality and it seems that motherboard and PSU brought new, better quality - and I'm not talking about small differences. So folks, quality motherboard and PSU! This is the base of good pc audio. Of course, that is if your system depends on PCI/PCI-E or even USB (without external PSU) digital transport, so basically 95% of all available interfaces.

Peter, unfortunately I can't set fixed sample rate in my drivers control panel now, because it uses auto rate switching. However, it wasn't possible before AFAIR.

Cheers,
Marcin

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2010, 05:55:04 am »

I guess one day you wil be definite and sure about all Marcin. But the best is that you listened to music. Out of al I think I know what the difference is between ever trying to get things well, and listening to things well done. Happy

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unfortunately I can't set fixed sample rate in my drivers control panel now, because it uses auto rate switching. However, it wasn't possible before AFAIR.

I am not sure why you say "unfortunately", but I am used to "auto", and as far as I am concerned, it should be like that. But I had it the other way around one time after a reinstall of the ESI drivers. Nothing else to do than reinstall them again and all was good. But good = "auto".

or ?

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2010, 09:22:38 am »

I was referring to your 'trick'. I can't imagine how could I set the driver to run at half of the speed, but I'd get my hands cut off if someone told me how to set it x2, because I can't play 48kHz and multiplier sample rates (49.152 clock instead of 22.5792 on my Cantatis). Peter, tell us how did you do it?

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Yes, I'm able to set the playback to 768kHz and it works, but 'in slow motion'. Isn't the driver suppose to run at double speed instead or am I confusing sth?
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2010, 10:45:17 am »

Ah ... no, you can't do it. It is XXHighEnd doing it internally, and next it coorporates with the DAC I have here. Happy
So this is only possible with XXHighEnd/Phasure NOS1.

The driver can't go higher than 192. But as you can imagine ... when I can go higher anyway for the net result, I can also lower the driver (and have a higher net result).

Full of tricks ... grazy
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W10-14393.0 - July 17, 2021 (2.11)
XXHighEnd Mach III Stealth LPS PC -> Xeon Scalable 14/28 core with Hyperthreading On (set to 14/28 cores in BIOS and set to 10/20 cores via Boot Menu) @~660MHz, 48GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 14393.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/0/0/*1*/ Q1Factor = *4* / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = *10ms* / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = *10.13*  (max 10.13) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / Stop Desktop, Remaining, WASAPI and W10 services / Use Remote Desktop / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD Off (!) / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *62* / Nervous Rate = *1* / Cool when Idle = n.a / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = Optimal / Time Stability = Stable / Custom Filtering *Low* (16x) / Always Clear Proxy before Playback = On -> USB3 from MoBo -> Lush^3
A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 09:09:48 am »

After a while I got tired of all that details coming from Special mode and ultra-low latency. I gave it up and went back to Adaptive and 4096 samples. And the most important thing - player priority: low, thread priority: nothing. This gives the best sound imho. Thread priority at realtime is definately more detailed, but if your system is highly transparent, it will give you fatigue instead of joy. I prefer fun Happy
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