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« Reply #90 on: November 23, 2010, 01:22:08 pm »

Ivo, ... and that combined with a repeating playlist, right ? Too much
Haha.

I'll put it on the ToDo list. Happy

Especially Vista is wacky with all what is sleep, hybernate and screensaver related. But also it is "me" debetting there. I mean, in the code things happen which undo the normal settings - in an indirect fashion. And I don't know what it is really. Before we could be sure it was WASAPI related, and today ? well, pieces of WASAPI code are still performed, even if KS is in order.

In the end you can wonder what a shutdown really does more;
If the screen nicely goes to sleep (and that always works here), and the disks are set to spin down, well, the cpu is idelling (which is just running at low speed), and there's power on everything. Will that hurt ? Some say it hurts more if poweron is performed every day (peaks).
I never shutdown any PCs and including those at my normal work, these are dozens, running for years and years and years until they are too slow for current life, and will be replaced.

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« Reply #91 on: November 23, 2010, 02:24:09 pm »

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Why your tweaked vista has no sleep? Try to add it, it's very useful.

Actually I did not notice I tweaked it out, under which section is this feature if looked from within vlite?

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« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2010, 07:49:25 am »

Peter: One thing from whishlist: Can you add a small feature that allows to shut down the PC after the playback is over. The use case is that I sometimes listen to music and fall asleep until morning, so would be nice that XX box also gets some rest Happy Do not know why but my tweaked Vista has no Sleep function???

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The sleep and hibernate functions are often if not always part of the video card or on board graphics drivers (If I'm remembering correctly). If you disabled them and are only using the basic video, you probably disabled sleep at the same time.

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« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2010, 01:01:23 pm »

Well that could be only in VGA with dedicadet GPUs. Older VGA that is sugest to use in audio servers are with lower RAM stile using main CPU calculation for each operation.
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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2010, 03:38:44 pm »

I just wanted to let you know that playing directly from RAMdisk (copy tracks manually) vs. 'Copy-to-XX folder' and 'do not start playback at all' is clearly the winner - sounds better and I have no idea why. This is probably the biggest enigma to me...
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« Reply #95 on: December 01, 2010, 04:28:05 pm »

Marcin, just WAV, or FLAC too ? (meaning XX still has to do something with the latter)
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« Reply #96 on: December 01, 2010, 06:19:11 pm »

This is probably the biggest enigma to me...

Hello Marcin,

the streamer "Purist HDR6 DA" made by www.ami-hifi.de/ is using a RAM disc too, and it is for them an enigma also. They have no explanation for this effect.

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« Reply #97 on: December 01, 2010, 08:34:47 pm »

So it was not placebo when I discovered that.  holiday
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« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2010, 08:49:05 pm »

It's already in my mind : "No".

But now : what will *I* be able do about that ... ? scratching

It depends a bit on the answer from Marcin to my last question. But Ivo, you can answer it too (maybe you did already earlier) ...
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
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*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #99 on: December 01, 2010, 11:07:43 pm »

Sorry for my late reply, I wanted to double check and I wanted my girl to be present, so there wouldn't be any mistakes. To answer your question, it matters whether it is FLAC or WAV and, on top of that, it matters if it was copied manually to RAMdisk or using XXHE built-in mechanism. The order of SQ is counting from the best:

1. WAV copied manually to RAMdisk
2. FLAC copied manually to RAMdisk
3. WAV copied to RAMdisk via 'copy-to-xx folder' & 'do not start playback'
4. FLAC copied to RAMdisk via 'copy-to-xx folder' & 'do not start playback'

This is no placebo! The difference is to big - more details and amazing smoothness at the same time if you play a WAV copied manually to RAMdisk.
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« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2010, 12:02:25 am »

1. WAV copied manually to RAMdisk
2. FLAC copied manually to RAMdisk
3. WAV copied to RAMdisk via 'copy-to-xx folder' & 'do not start playback'
4. FLAC copied to RAMdisk via 'copy-to-xx folder' & 'do not start playback'
Hihihi...well who is crazy now. I told you Peter , WAV-BETTER SOUNDING THAN FLAC! I heard it on my FLASH! You can try it too. Marcin right now I'm trying Q!= -2 in special mode and 64 samples and it's really nice Happy But I have some stability issue.
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« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2010, 12:22:34 am »

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Q!= -2 in special mode

You !

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But I have some stability issue.

I know. Party
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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

For a general PC :
W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2010, 12:46:54 am »

But now : what will *I* be able to do about that ... ? scratching

I'd theorize this could simply be another manifestation of a more fundamental issue we also discussed in SFS thread last week: namely, it could all be related to RAM fragmentation.

But, hey, talk is cheap - wouldn't it be great if we could somehow test this and let everyone make up their own mind?

To that end, I am attaching 2 small test programs for anyone curious enough to try!

BTW Programs are based on publicly available sample code provided by Microsoft which means there's nothing fancy there: just super-minimal console WASAPI demo. Although, I did have to modify the code a bit to make it 'Audiophile Approved' (LOL). In other words, all disk I/Os during playback have been removed: it's now a true mini version of a 'memory-based' player Happy )

But the point is this: both versions are _absolutely identical_ except in the way they allocate RAM: One uses 'traditional' approach (well, maybe a bit more advanced than you'd see in Foobar, iTunes etc but no major differences) and the other uses Large Pages (which, to my knowledge, is not used by anyone, incl. XX so it's at least 'certifiably different' Happy ).
So now you can judge for yourself (and with _your_ hardware/audio setup) if this RAM talk makes any sense at all!

Before you start playing though, we'll need to do some preparation work: by default, Large Page support is disabled by Windows as it is not something for 'typical' users/usage scenarios (and also removes precious resources from under Windows' control) so you'll have to enable it manually like this: (make sure you have Administrator privileges)

1. open Control Panel->System->Administrative Tools->Local Security Policy
2. in left panel, open "Local Policies" and click on "User Rights Assignment"
3. in right panel, double-click "Lock pages in memory": If your username is listed you're set!
4. if not (more likely), click on 'Add User or Group' and in popup click Advanced and then click Find Now: this will show all 'users' (most are 'system users'): double-click on one you are using to log-on i.e. one you will use to run test programs
5. close all dialogs with OK & make sure you appear in the list in step 3.
6. reboot (so Windows can activate our new policy)

Oh, since sample code is based on WASAPI you may also wish to play with MMCSS registry settings:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684247(VS.85).aspx
But, if you're lazy, just download & double-click ProAudioKey.reg attachment Wink


To run test programs:
- copy your favorite song(s) into the same folder as attached executables
- make sure you use plain 16/44.1 WAV format!
- also, please make sure your sound card is set as 'default' in Windows and format is set to CD 16/44 (if your 'normal' setting is 24/96 or whatever)

Start Command Prompt (told you it's stripped to the bone - there's no GUI or anything here...) and in the folder where you have put everything simply type:

jplay1 --file YourTestTrackName.wav

Listen.
Then, in same way, try second version:

jplay2 --file YourTestTrackName.wav


Then try with some more tracks. Also try the other way 'round or try several WAVs with one and then other version.
Then try opening your browser, Outlook, anything that eats memory - chances are, jplay2 will report that it cannot allocate memory. Then try again jplay1 - it should still work but listen how it sounds. Then reboot and try again.

Finally: share with everyone if there is any difference between two programs!
Have fun!

PS. If your sound card does not like default buffer size (1024 samples) you can change it: just type program name without any parameters for instructions....


* jplay1.exe (74.5 KB - downloaded 575 times.)
* jplay2.exe (75 KB - downloaded 483 times.)
* ProAudioKey.reg (0.68 KB - downloaded 516 times.)
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« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2010, 09:06:31 am »

Josef,

cPlay uses Address Windowing Extensions (AWE) to allocate RAM to music files during playback (Lock pages in memory). I'll try your tiny players later Happy

Cheers,
Marcin

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Why did you set affinity to 1?
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« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2010, 10:03:44 am »

jplay2 sounds better for sure Happy

Starting playback from CMD, how cool is that? Wink
It's a pity that buffer below 256 samples isn't available. No stability issues so far with both versions.
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