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« on: January 19, 2011, 01:19:22 pm »

I don't think I've ever been so scared to try a new version, but will do so later this evening...

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 02:06:36 pm »

Well for 15 min listening...Peter BRAVO! There is nothing, NOTHING wrong with the hights...they just sounds the way they are recorded! YES that's the way for me. Transperancy! Ofc now some albums will sound rusty, edgy, screamy...but hey there is nothing else we can do. That's RECORDING STUDIO and ARTIST(s) problem now!
Beautiful Balance and sounding! That's all I can say for now. Don't wanna go in 3d, soundstage, impact, sonicity, etc. etc. Just sounds very very good and right for me!
Once again BRAVO Peter! A true HI-END player!
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 02:45:30 pm »

I don't think I've ever been so scared to try a new version, but will do so later this evening...

I thought so, too. "Better let the computer geeks try out first, then I can follow afterwards"  Cool
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 04:37:29 pm »

I just listened (attended) for about two hours to 0.9z-4-0 and simply said -I love it-
I agree with Criss totally .

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Special mode, with a buffer size of 512
Scheme 1/low/Realtime and clock res. on "min for this computer"
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Memory Organization "mixed Contiguous (straight contiguous wouldn't work here)
Q1 -1 all others 0
the OS is W7 (without SP1)

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 04:47:47 pm »

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the OS is W7 (without SP1)

Hey, that's a surprise !
Leon, can you describe what is different from what you were used to (I suppose also on W7 native) ?

Also, you may not notice(d) it yourself, but with Special Mode and Q1 = 1 that would be an internal latency of one sample ... (see X3PB log file if you want). Or am I mistaking somewhere ?

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 04:52:21 pm »

For those who already downloaded 0.9z-4-0, I just added one thing to the Release Notes :

At using the very low SFS settings, please switch off Logging, or otherwise your PC may choke on just that.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 05:02:41 pm »

Hi Peter,

Compared to before I am sure the bass vs midtones vs hights are much more in balance now, and on top of that there is more transparancy in the hights.

Regarding the Q1, I was misreading. Q1=8, resulting in samples of latency (Q!): 2

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 08:25:08 pm »

Congrats Peter This is the BEST sounding XXXHighEnd !!!!!!!!!! Perfect Highs, excelent dinamics and 3D stage, i'm really surprised, you frightens me with the description of the new version but everything works ok and sound beautiful.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 10:21:13 pm »

For all those that are scared  away by Peters doubt and hesitation about Z4.
Don't let him fool you this is a great sounding version of XX

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 10:44:05 pm »

I don't think I've ever been so scared to try a new version, but will do so later this evening...

I didn't mean scared of XX itself, but more of staying up late into the night trying to optimise it. As it happens, it's working here with no issues whatsoever... pretty much like any earlier version. There's nothing that anyone should fear by trying it.

I don't think I've ever thought that music was too dynamic before, but with a low SFS and Straight Contiguous, that's how it comes across to me. I'm currently listening to SFS=100, Straight Contiguous and Clock Resolution=Nothing (with all other parameters as in my sig) and it's sounding pretty good here. But lots more listening required to make any real judgements.

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2011, 11:11:46 pm »


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I would agree with all that has been said BUT my head is starting to hurt, something has an edge that goes away when I stop the player.  There is something not right for me yet so will have to try more combinations to see if it becomes less stressful.  Small SFS and straight contiguous with max time does present the music as very realistic as performer is in your room, each breath can be heard but for me there is a residue.  Perhaps in the daylight and a fresh cup of coffee I will find the right mix of settings.
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 11:46:55 pm »

... my head is starting to hurt, something has an edge that goes away when I stop the player.

I think this is where the quality of the recording/mastering/pressing chain comes in. In the past, I've found some of the MFSL CDs to sound too flat. I've never quite understood why this should be the case because they were transferred from the original analogue master tapes with no compression or equalisation. Anyhow, I'm currently listening to the MFSL release of Robert Cray's 'Strong Persuader'... and it sounds stunning. Certainly no ear-ache with this one Happy

Also, 0.9z-4-0 works very well with my own vinyl transfers - they still sound ultra smooth (due in most part to the Denon 103) but now have some welcome extra dynamics.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2011, 11:57:34 pm »

Well, I tried to judge to quick. First impression was bad.
After some changes it is a little better but still not impressive to me.
Bass sounds undetailed, no right rhytm and some songtexts are difficult to understand.
I tried phase-invert but that makes it even less pinpoint.
Maybe tomorrow I will try some of your suggestions, but after that maybe back to Z-3.
Sorry, but I like to enjoy my cup of tea. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2011, 12:25:25 am »

Thank you all for your input so far. It is really appreciated, but merely, listened to. And might you wonder, Brian's input intrigues me most (or satisfies ? haha). I mean, negatives are appreciated as much, so don't hesitate !

Gerard, negative ... Happy I only want to say :

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Maybe tomorrow I will try some of your suggestions, but after that maybe back to Z-3.

... nothing wrong with this. But really, you forgot to hop over to W7-SP1. Please do and judge from there. Vista is nice, but is also "nothing". And ...

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Bass sounds undetailed, no right rhytm and some songtexts are difficult to understand.

... this is Vista in the first place ! You are really not doing justice to yourself to stay there. But for W7, don't forget, SP1 ! although ...
Leon said something about native W7; Though I did not try it anymore, I can imagine something.

(and yes, I remember all what I said myself about W7, back to Vista, etc.; but what I say today is W7-SP1 - please try it -> you won't know what will be happening to you)
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 01:22:33 am »

Came home late this night but I had to try it. short check: same settings like z3.  mixed contiguous sfs=1,0. It sounds a little more real than z3. It seems to not need the ramdisk or even sounds better without. First impression is good. But, peter can you manage a button that prevents the explorer to be shut off in the final version? I normaly use my computer while listening to xx Wink
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