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« on: February 22, 2011, 07:51:09 pm »

For those who already downloaded 0.9z-4-1, this is in the release notes now :


Using a large SFS like 500 is NOT allowed when having 4GB of (or less) memory only (or when you have more but with a 32 bit OS). Things won't go wrong, but the opposite will be achieved of what's intended and it will go without notice (but for a theoretically worse sound). Because this won't be noticed by the program, there are no warnings etc. about this "opposite behaviour", and the only good solution to be sure, is using Mixed Contiguous (remember, at just trying to use the largest SFS). With 8GB of memory and a 64 bit OS there is no problem with Mixed.


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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 06:05:01 am »

"Using a large SFS like 500 is NOT allowed when having 4GB of (or less) memory only (or when you have more but with a 32 bit OS)"

Peter, that doesn't say much, in fact it is confusing. What is like 500...? 499? 488? What? What is the largest SFS I can use in a 4GB 64bit W7 system without getting into any mysterious "--Because this won't be noticed by the program, there are no warnings etc." problems.

"and the only good solution to be sure, is using Mixed Contiguous (remember, at just trying to use the largest SFS)."

And what does this mean? I haven't a clue.

Would you just list the largest SFS one can use/try in each mode for a 4GB 64bit, and 32bit system that will not create mysterious problems.

And what is so special about SFS 500? Are you saying that again mysteriously (or maybe obviously) the sound just jumps to another level between 499 and 500 SFS?

By the way so far my 4GB 64bit W7 system (not the one in my signature at the moment) has played beautifully at 300 SFS MX Contiguous. I just tried 400 SFS in plain MX and the music hesitated in the middle of the first track for a split second. I'll go into the sound more in the other section but so far  sounds good ! love this .

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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 08:16:46 am »

Hi Chris, thank you.

I guess I have drawn it out of context somewhat (somewhat ?? Smack !), although it is still logical. Ok, once you know. swoon

I am referring to Mixed (how to get 500 otherwise), and THUS advise to use Mixed Contigous instead. So, not M 499 or 498 or even 201, but MC as large as you can.
The other context is this other post here : Re: XXHighEnd Model 0.9z-4-1.
So, all was rather clear to me when I wrote it. Haha.

I hope it is more clear now !
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 10:01:45 pm »


I hope it is more clear now !

Yes, that definitely clears it up. Thanks Peter.

Hey, I have some advice for you, if you wish to take it, that's another question. unsure

You write many of your advice and help threads too much the way you think. I know, because I have many of the same type of thoughts. My advice, don't write most of those extra thoughts.

For instance "Well to get the best sound..." Well what means the best sound really? is it fake best? fake freshness? too real but just good? or is it just my perception on my... Don't write the red part no matter what your pen (keyboard) urges. Instead write up a real good paper that explains all your sound (reproduction, listening, acoustics, and computer audio concepts) philosophy and post it as a sticky note that is a must read. When I say must read, buyers and triers of XX must swear that they read said sticky before downloading XX.

I hope you take this in the intended spirit.  yes I actually really appreciate your thoughts on the "final quality" of sound (probably because I agree with them and that kind of thoughtfulness). But they might be better placed. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 08:39:43 am »

Thank you very much Chris.

Btw, I understand your example in red, but maybe you can refer to a real life example from me somewhere ? I mean, I guess I understand what you say, but of course don't recognize I am doing that all over (but apparently do).
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 07:44:39 am »

Sorry to take so long to reply Peter. The red was a compilation of examples, an abbreviated best of, so to speak.

I think instead of giving examples (which I will find if you still want me to after this) I'll just explain a little better, by telling you what I tend to do in general life which I think is very similar and not terribly useful when giving instructions.

Whenever I come to a point where I definitely don't want to be misunderstood in some basic way, even if it is not terribly relevant to the point of what I'm saying I feel a need to clarify my true thoughts on the matter. So for example if while I'm telling you how to get "Perfect Sound" from XX, I will feel absolutely compelled to give you my philosophy on perfect sound--that it probably doesn't exist, if it did we would disagree on what it was, that it probably varies from day to day, yada yada yada.

So if you feel compelled to explain, as I sense you do (however I could be wrong, there's a language barrier after all  nea ) you probably know what I'm talking about now.

But whatever you think of the above, it would be really cool  Cool  to have your thoughts (philosophy of sound musically speaking) and I'll call it "As close to perfect sound as one can get without demanding an explanation from oneself as to the possibility of such a thing existing" and other related matters in a stickie somewhere in this forum.  drool

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 11:07:51 am »

Hi Chris,

Thank you very much for this. I understand now.

If we'd take you red text as an example (which is your example, but it could exist from my "pen"), try to think of this :

If I would write something like that (and I can, I do), this would clearly indicate my best guesses on the subject concerned. This will imply that I don't know any better at this moment, while I *do* know the variables. Now, read "variables" as the technical knowledge of how wrong things are, and we know how all is just an approximation of something which is ultimately good - but can't be achieved.
This also means it will be subjective, and by putting question marks with it (like your red text) you're all invited to overrule my judgement, or agree for that matter.

The "fake freshness", for example, is about my own long listening to that while not rejecting it, while today all is less fresh and I *also* don't reject it. This 100% sure means that either of the two - or both - are wrong. And now I need help (the question mark).

Only if I *state* something, I am 100% convinced of my being right, but this rarely happens. At least on this forum it doesn't, because
a. I am not challenged for the obvious (in here that is !!);
b. I am not that commercial.
But read posts from me on other forums, and it happens all the time. It could be about software (being bit perfect all the time) being able to change the sound (quality). Now, since when would I need to justify that in here ? never, and there's logic in it.

From all logically follows that whatever I put forward here with such more vague own findings that
1. I think they will be subjective in the fist place;
2. I am open to let "you" decide what's the best;
3. I in fact explicitly claim not to know the answer myself (yet). Although that's implicit without this outlay.

All doesn't mean that maybe all of you fine people are very interested in stuff which is implied set and over and done with (from the start) - and which thus is taken for granted hence is not questioned ... and *thus* is not dealt with. Or not anymore, because somewhere long ago and deep down it was, so why would I dig that up by my own initiative ... if not being commercial in the first place. And worse, you won't even be able to find whatever it is you are looking for, because such things (which happens rarely the past years anyway) are almost always off topic within some other topic, someone asking a question. Well, look at this one here ...

So, I am not shouting all that much about "being the best" etc. etc. (compare what a few others tried the past couple of months, up to shouting the other way around (like program X(X) s*cks all over to proove their so called right)), and from that follows that there's just nothing or few there. A good example of this is the not being commercial about the NOS1, where actually not even a single photo of the thing has been put up in here, but in another forum this just happened because, well, it was explicitly asked for. In the and, by the grace of God, I picked one of those photos and put it up here, just because I thought it was a nice photo (http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=1560.msg15812#msg15812). Very much related is my ever talking about Arc Prediction not ringing, and again you good people just never question it, thus don't ask for proof (or the sibject is beyond you, but who cares if it only sounds good). But -and so- the point is, you don't need the explanations because you listen. On another forum this doesn't happen, and so things are doubted in the first place. And so it happens that I can spend hours and hours on this subject alone just because someone asked ("proove it !"), and sadly it will stay like that and I won't even mention the subject in here or put a link to it. But it would be the MOST interesting for all of you, never mind you didn't question it or asked.

To make this already too long offopic post longer than it already is, I guess it is easy for those "X" guys to shout I don't know the heck what I am doing  (especially at other forums), obviously because of the whole subject we're just talking about. But I know very well what I am doing and I guess I work from theories only. Those theories just are good, and the more "we" (!) learn, the better those theories can get. However, where do I write about these theories from some self-advertising fashion ? well, at least not in here. This is all going as far as using the theories already for so long, that they stack and stack, and even are taken for granted by myself. The ringing again is a good example, ever knowing that the impulse response of the software + DAC (especially the NOS1 because it is filterless) would show that. But did I ever show it to myself ? no. Why would I. I know it doesn't ring (plus no commercial interest to show it to you). And so it can happen that someone asks eventually, finding myself in the situtation of "how to actually show that". Thus, this is a strange situation where we listen to theories, can hear they are right, but the proof (even to myself !) actually only gets there once at last someone asks. These things happen quite often, and while exactly nobody is able to come up with any counterweight (your theory is wrong here), I can always proove my right when I sit down for it.

Ok, below you see two pictures, not in order to put up an advertisement afterall, but to show you what it can be about when I put up these very pictures elsewhere - the first one showing Arc Prediction filtering and the second one Anti Image filtering. Both are taken from the analogue out of the Phasure NOS1. So what should you use ? ... well, maybe wrong. It needs 50 or so posts more with the length of this one to work that out really and 50 more pictures to support it (which really happend). The most interesting and even the most important for good music reproduction, and where I indeed "state" things. And the funny thing is, this all starts with having a Phasure NOS1 DAC, because without that the first picture would never be able to come forward and proof plainly couldn't be there. So who knows what ?
And what actually was the NOS1 created for ...

Sorry for a stupidly long "explanation" which is relevant partly only. But I guess I am feeling sorry about so many things written elsewhere, while it hardly happens in here *and* that many may like those stories and explanations to be in here. I had rather have them in here myself ...


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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
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W10-10586.0 - May 2016 (2.05+)
*XXHighEnd PC -> I7 3930k with Hyperthreading On (12 cores)* @~500MHz, 16GB, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit build 10586.0 from RAM, music on LAN / Engine#4 Adaptive Mode / Q1/-/3/4/5 = 14/-/1/1/1 / Q1Factor = 1 / Dev.Buffer = 4096 / ClockRes = 1ms / Memory = Straight Contiguous / Include Garbage Collect / SFS = 0.10  (max 60) / not Invert / Phase Alignment Off / Playerprio = Low / ThreadPrio = Realtime / Scheme = Core 3-5 / Not Switch Processors during Playback = Off/ Playback Drive none (see OS from RAM) / UnAttended (Just Start) / Always Copy to XX Drive (see OS from RAM) / All Services Off / Keep LAN - Not Persist / WallPaper On / OSD On / Running Time Off / Minimize OS / XTweaks : Balanced Load = *43* / Nervous Rate = 1 / Cool when Idle = 1 / Provide Stable Power = 1 / Utilize Cores always = 1 / Time Performance Index = *Optimal* / Time Stability = *Stable* / Custom Filter *Low* 705600 / -> USB3 *from MoBo* -> Clairixa USB 15cm -> Intona Isolator -> Clairixa USB 1m80 -> 24/768 Phasure NOS1a 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (4ms) -> Blaxius BNC interlink *-> B'ASS Current Amplifier /w Level4 -> Blaxius Interlink* -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2011, 06:25:26 am »

Peter, I suggest yet another stickie. Call it the "Best and ? of Peter." Gather some of your best and most interesting posts from around the web and repost them here. You can just copy and paste them.

By the way, I've seen a few of your posts and replies at Computer Audio, or whatever it's called, and I saw what you were up against. Not easy, and you do tend to answer in a meticulous fashion which makes for a lot of time spent writing and typing and in a non-native tongue to boot. I hope you're a good typist.

Also if you had all your most salient theories and thoughts re audio/music already written, you could just tell people to go to said post instead of having to rewrite things again and again.

And by the way, if anything, you are too fair about not bragging about XX. I understand that perfectly and would do the same myself, but you do go out of your way not to say anything unequivocally positive without it having been proven unequivocally. I'm just sayin.  sounds good !

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