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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 05:09:34 pm »

I have done so many fresh install even dual boot without any problems. The last install is alway's on the top. I have to say that i did that on different HD/SSD.

(For what it is worth)

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Thanks for sharing. I am still scratching my head. Where are those ghosts on my machines ? Dual boot can be one but mine may be more.
May be it is in NOS1 ? Dunno !
Glad that you have none  smile
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 05:46:11 pm »

Sorry to break in but perhaps (if nothing important is on this PC to keep) you should make a fully new install on the desired disc and format it before installing the OS? No dual boot, no other discs holding any OS but also NO Juli@ card plugged into the MB at the moment and you should be fine...


Thanks Bert for the suggestion.

I am sure I reformatted (long one not a quick format) the partition before installing OS fresh. But I am not quite sure if I took out the Juli@ interface card.

When you format the drive before installing OS, how do you format it ? Use the format facility during the installation process at the stage where you are asked for the partition to which the OS is going to. Or use the long format in the disk management ?

May be I have to buy  another brand new HDD tomorrow and try it out. Hope the ghost will be gone !

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I alway's use the format option before install OS. And take out the card.

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 08:11:52 pm »

When you format the drive before installing OS, how do you format it ? Use the format facility during the installation process at the stage where you are asked for the partition to which the OS is going to. Or use the long format in the disk management ?

A quick format during the installation process will do but before you'll have to delete ALL partitions first (also the small W7 one to be sure).

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May be I have to buy  another brand new HDD tomorrow and try it out. Hope the ghost will be gone !

I do not think that this will help except it will be a whole new one never used before so nothing to remove from it...  Wink

Don't forget any other HDD's within the system with boot sector on them (should not be there either) before you install the OS newly. Just to be sure...

And take out the juli@ card!
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2011, 11:42:40 pm »

Thank you all for your valuable input and insights.

A quick format during the installation process will do but before you'll have to delete ALL partitions first (also the small W7 one to be sure).

DiskPart, comes standard with Vista and W7, is a very useful tool to perform the above task and beyond.


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Don't forget any other HDD's within the system with boot sector on them (should not be there either) before you install the OS newly. Just to be sure...

And take out the juli@ card!

Bert,

Great advise! To reduce the variables, I will also try to disconnect all HDD and, of course, the Juli@ card. So I will install the additional OS (on a clean HDD without any partition) as if I am installing a brand new machine with nothing on it, right?

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2011, 11:45:06 pm »

It has all been said by now I think, but now Bert speaks of it ... IIRC he too had a pobleem which wouldn't go away with just "another boot" being there somewhere (this was not NOS1 related).

So Praphan, what I/we mean, is not especially about a brand new disk or anything, but to take out the disk where the BCD stuff is on (which will be the disk you ever in the past put a first boot on).

Btw, I (personally) am not saying *at all* that it will help, but I do say that things aree going on there beyond our knowledge, so far.

Also, always keep in mind that there's a difference between the Juli@ not being seen and the PCI Bridge not being seen (the latter shown by many PCI Bridge devices). Keep in mind too that there's a clear difference between the not yet installed PCI Bridge drivers (always after a fresh boot), and once that already happened. This by itself creates the most vagueness IMO, because even after all has been installed, a next boot could just fail on it only because it is there.

But I really think you should stop this "non-sense" and wait for a solution from my side (I'll be back next week). Please use that "vintage" PC for now !

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2011, 11:48:52 pm »

Hi George,

Don't make yourself mad with this all. I mean, Praphan's problem *is* unique ...  Happy Happy
(never mind I had a kind of similar thing, but I really tried hundreds of "versions" of the NOS1, including yours yes).

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A: W-Y-R-G, B: *W-G* USB 1m00 -> Phisolator 24/768 Phasure NOS1a/G3 75B (BNC Out) async USB DAC, Driver v1.0.4b (16ms) -> B'ASS Current Amplifier -> Blaxius*^2.5* A:B-G, B:B-G Interlink -> Orelo MKII Active Open Baffle Horn Speakers. ET^2 Ethernet from Mach III to Music Server PC (RDC Control).
Removed Switching Supplies from everywhere (also from the PC).

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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2011, 12:10:00 am »

Hi Peter,

I don't mean to make you anxious towards the end of your relaxing vacation. innocent  Hope it is still relaxing for you. And enjoy the rest of your vacation.  yes

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2011, 01:48:37 am »


But I really think you should stop this "non-sense" and wait for a solution from my side (I'll be back next week). Please use that "vintage" PC for now !



Ok ok. Alright! Fully aligned with you that my problem is really a unique one given the fact that some other NOS1 users have dual boots configuration without problem.

I will wait for your suggestion rather than wasting more time and money going into random direction. 

For others, thanks so much for your suggestions trying to help me. Peter and I will post the solution once the ghost is hunted down.

Thanks again
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Signal chain: 24/786 NOS1 USB; 16 ms buffer on driver 1.0.2 => Valhalla XLR IC = > McIntosh 2301 tube monoblocks => Purist Dominus spk cable => B&W 802 D
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2011, 09:22:41 am »

For a number of years now I have been using a product called VistaBootPro to manage my dual boot machines. It works extremely well, allowing easy manipulation of the BCD file.

http://www.softpedia.com/developer/PROnetworks-35744.html

edit: here's an alternate link ...

http://en.kioskea.net/download/download-126-vista-boot-pro

There is also another ongoing "product" which is invaluable to those dabbling with building PC's called Hirens Boot CD. It is a collection of various tools all combined on a single bootable CD with a menu structure.

http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd

Caution is advised when using some of the system/disk tools though. If you are unsure of the ramifications in choosing some of the options available in particular tools it is best to avoid them. All in all though, it's a great collection of "geek" tools Happy

Cheers,

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2011, 12:34:52 pm »

Thanks a lot, Russ. I have bookmarked those for future use. Per
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